Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

Jaysus, this thread eh.

So 110 pages and I still remain a little bemused over the trendy cult-of-Putin stuff. Seems to me it's an example of the power of propaganda coupled with a rise of some perverse want/wish for authoritarian leaders in the West. I dunno how else you'd explain an autocrat who represses human rights and dissent being so feted.

Anyways as you were. Here's a not-at-all-staged pic of a shirtless Putin to get excited over:

Originally Posted by fred flintstone

Originally Posted by Neo

Nope.. the topic is 'how dangerous is Vladimir Putin?'

That's right and what he's doing in the Ukraine and Syria is what you're accusing the US of doing....irony innit

Putting the cart before the horse with that argument.

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnasty2017

I have to say well done to Neo, Birding, Sabang and Klondyke for having the patience and spirit to deal with utter US-biased corporate bellends and purveyers of false history like Looper and Harry.

The US political and military arms have done more damage to the world than the rest of the world combined. Of that there is clear evidence and no doubt whatsoever.

"False history"?

Are you saying that Putin did not annex Crimea in violation of International Law?

Because if so, it means you're being a bell end again.

Allegedly the Ukrainians accepted an offer the couldn't refuse. Coal from ameristan a "introductory"price. The "agreement' has now been revised at a 200% increase. The golden boy pollutioner, "renowned" deal maker at his best. MAGA.

https://www.rt.com/business/396674-u...ee-times-coal/

"The US has almost tripled the price for coal shipped to Ukraine in the first quarter of the year compared to the same period in 2016, according to a report by the US Energy Information Administration.

Read more


United States wants to sell coal to coal-rich Ukraine


Kiev has been buying US coal at $206 per short ton since January through March, which is almost triple the $71 the US billed last year.
At the same time, sales of American coal to Ukraine have more than doubled. The US shipped 865,000 tons of coal to Ukraine in the first quarter of the year against 355,100 tons bought during the first quarter of 2016.

At the same time, the price for US coal to Norway dropped around 10 percent from $140 to $125 per short ton."

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Anyways as you were. Here's a not-at-all-staged pic of a shirtless Putin to get excited over:

ant, glad we share the same taste in topless men

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Anyways as you were. Here's a not-at-all-staged pic of a shirtless Putin to get excited over:

ant, glad we share the same taste in topless men

Fuck off we did. I prefer mine with less moobs!

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Yes, why not take more Vlad?

You care to illustrate why The LORD wishes too?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Yes, why not take more Vlad?

You care to illustrate why The LORD wishes too?

Do I care to illustrate why a bloke who has annexed one lump of The Ukraine would want to annex some more?

Are you stupid?

President Putin invaded Crimea, like President Bush liberated Iraq.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Kiev has been buying US coal at $206 per short ton since January through March, which is almost triple the $71 the US billed last year.

Nema problema, Kiev can easily pay from the funds provided by US for the Majdan revolution...

Originally Posted by Looper

Stirring up shit is in the game.

Grabbing land from neighbours using military might is not in the game. Not only is it ridiculously outdated but it sets an appalling example to the rest of the world from a supposedly top tier 21st century G20 world leader nation.

"Stirring up shit is in the game."
"Not only is it ridiculously outdated but it sets an appalling example to the rest of the world from a supposedly top tier 21st century G20 world leader nation."

I agree, Looper, your words are correct. Especially when the "Stirring up shit" cost millions of innocent lives and destroyed countries.

"Grabbing land from neighbours using military might is not in the game."
With this one also cannot disagree. Especially when the Palestinians did not hold a referendum. (or perhaps the Israelis did?)
And when the UN have issued hundreds of resolutions against that.

More ridiculous excuses for unacceptable behaviour from the Putin apologists.

Yes, guddling around in other countries political processes is not good but it is pretty run of the mill stuff for the 21st century and lots of countries do it - even the Russians as evidenced by the US elections.

It is certainly not in the same league as engaging in barbarian shows of force to take land of neighbouring countries in a public exhibition of 19th century territorial acquisition.

Do you think it is OK to take land of neighbouring countries because you like the look of it and you have the military might to get away with it?

Originally Posted by Looper

More ridiculous excuses for unacceptable behaviour from the Putin apologists.

Yes, guddling around in other countries political processes is not good but it is pretty run of the mill stuff for the 21st century and lots of countries do it - even the Russians as evidenced by the US elections.

It is certainly not in the same league as engaging in barbarian shows of force to take land of neighbouring countries in a public exhibition of 19th century territorial acquisition.

Do you think it is OK to take land of neighbouring countries because you like the look of it and you have the military might to get away with it?

They do when they have their cock in one hand and picture of Vlad topless in the other.

Originally Posted by Looper

Do you think it is OK to take land of neighbouring countries because you like the look of it and you have the military might to get away with it?

I surely do not like the look of it when it cost lives of innocent people.
That's was recently mentioned in UNESCO:

After moment of silence for Holocaust victims, Cuba calls moment of silence for Palestinians
https://www.unwatch.org/moment-silen...ictims-unesco/

Cuba: Thank you very much, Chair.

I think that only the Chair can ask for a minute of silence.

I do think that this is an incorrect interpretation of this decision. I think the decision has been manipulated once again, when what we have done – this committee does not take any decisions concerning measures against Israel nor against the Jewish people and I think that that is turning this meeting into a politicized circus.

What we have just heard from the delegate of Israel is opening up the discussion on the debates and the decisions that we have just taken does not reflect any of that.

Only the Chair can request a minute of silence. So with your indulgence, let me request Mr. Chairman, that we stand for minute of silence for all of the Palestinians who have died in the region.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Originally Posted by Looper

Do you think it is OK to take land of neighbouring countries because you like the look of it and you have the military might to get away with it?

I surely do not like the look of it when it cost lives of innocent people.
That's was recently mentioned in UNESCO:

After moment of silence for Holocaust victims, Cuba calls moment of silence for Palestinians
https://www.unwatch.org/moment-silen...ictims-unesco/

Cuba: Thank you very much, Chair.

I think that only the Chair can ask for a minute of silence.

I do think that this is an incorrect interpretation of this decision. I think the decision has been manipulated once again, when what we have done – this committee does not take any decisions concerning measures against Israel nor against the Jewish people and I think that that is turning this meeting into a politicized circus.

What we have just heard from the delegate of Israel is opening up the discussion on the debates and the decisions that we have just taken does not reflect any of that.

Only the Chair can request a minute of silence. So with your indulgence, let me request Mr. Chairman, that we stand for minute of silence for all of the Palestinians who have died in the region.

Thank you.

So Vlad the invader isn't dangerous because, well, Palestine.

Oh but look what america did... boo hoo

... lame-ass deflection.

Putin's annexation is a 100 year old throwback in international engagement.

He deserves to pay big time not just for the selfish bullying but for undermining the slow but steady progress the world has been making in outgrowing the age of empires.

When is the last time a G20 nation or equivalent engaged in any nonsense like this?

The apologists on this thread trying to defend this kind of behaviour and the hard-won international relations progress it undermines should hang their heads.

Originally Posted by Looper

barbarian shows of force to take land of neighbouring countries

What, such as the Crimean Parliament calling a national Referendum to determine it's future national status after an illegal and violent coup in the Ukraine- a then Soviet Socialist Republic it was only transferred to by an administrative stroke of the pen during the Kruschev era?

So how many people died in this 'barbarian show of force'?

Originally Posted by Looper

the Putin apologists

No apologies needed- by accepting Crimea back into the Russian fold after a crushing Referendum vote in favor, Putin prevented a lot of bloodshed.

Originally Posted by Looper

Putin's annexation is a 100 year old throwback in international engagement.

Originally Posted by Looper

... lame-ass deflection.

quite.. ZzZzZzZz

Vive le Putin,

the most handsome leader after Macron

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Vive le Putin,

the most handsome leader after Macron

What about the Canadian guy?

Originally Posted by fred flintstone

Originally Posted by Neo

Nope.. the topic is 'how dangerous is Vladimir Putin?'

That's right and what he's doing in the Ukraine and Syria is what you're accusing the US of doing....irony innit

Well what is Russia doing in the Ukraine do you really know I suggest you do some research start with the link I provided in a previous post.

And as for Syria well Russia was invited by the Syrian Goverment to help put down a USA funded and armed rebellion which by leaving a vacuum behind them as they attacked Government forces allowed ISIS to get a foothold in the country.

Amazing that the same silly buggers cant understand that the majority of Crimean people wanted to return to be part of Russia.

Seems you dont know that Russian is the main language of Crimea.

Map: Russian language dominant in Crimea | Al Jazeera America

That:

According to the census result the population of the Crimean Federal District is2.2844 million people. The ethnic composition is as follows: Russians: 1.49 million(65.3%), Ukrainians: 0.35 million (15.1%), Crimean Tatars: 0.28 million (12.0%).

Thats right over 65% of the population of Crimea are ethnic Russians so there was no need for force in the referendum.

Referendum as in democracy where if you dont get the result you like you try to subvert he process as much as possible A La Brexit the US president.

Did you know that before Russia took over the Ukraine outlawed duel citizenship a move directly aimed at the ethnic Russians.

As many of the Russian speaking population of Crimea had both Russian and Ukraine passports they would be forced to choose one or the other and there were severe penalties for those who choose Russian.

https://www.rt.com/news/ukraine-dual...ship-jail-572/

That bill was passed.

To be fair Russia has now banned duel citizenship in Crimea but without the harsh penalties.