Thread: Amanda Knox gets away with murder

Originally Posted by Mr Gribbs

Guede has admitted his guilt.

thats not true
at his trial and retrial he pleaded innocent

Originally Posted by blue

Originally Posted by Mr Gribbs

Guede has admitted his guilt.

thats not true
at his trial and retrial he pleaded innocent

Nope, he said he was at the house and involved, but try to drag the other two in to get a lighter sentence. His DNA being all over the place, criminal history, and taking off to another country after the murder makes him look guilty as sin.

He said he was at the house, on the toilet, listening to his ipod, having a crap at the time.

He was lying about that, cause there was blood sprayed all over the toilet bowl too, so he wasn't having a crap there then, but before the murder, after robbing Kercher's money.

Knox owed him big time, to finger her boss (who wasn't there) instead of Guede.

Originally Posted by ENT

He said he was at the house, on the toilet, listening to his ipod, having a crap at the time.

He was lying about that, cause there was blood sprayed all over the toilet bowl too, so he wasn't having a crap there then, but before the murder, after robbing Kercher's money.

Knox owed him big time, to finger her boss (who wasn't there) instead of Guede.

Knox was forced into fingering the black guy after being harassed by the Italian police for fourteen hours. There is zero evidence pointing toward Knox or her boy friend being involved in the murder of that girl, but there is loads of evidence Guede was involved. I notice how you didn't mention the non muder weapon "kitchen knife" in this response. Guede was robbing Kerchers money now? The prosecution said she was murdered because she wouldn't have an "orgy," So you're saying Guede was there rob Kercher/house not brought there by Knox and her boyfriend?

Originally Posted by Mr Gribbs

Originally Posted by ENT

He said he was at the house, on the toilet, listening to his ipod, having a crap at the time.

He was lying about that, cause there was blood sprayed all over the toilet bowl too, so he wasn't having a crap there then, but before the murder, after robbing Kercher's money.

Knox owed him big time, to finger her boss (who wasn't there) instead of Guede.

Knox was forced into fingering the black guy after being harassed by the Italian police for fourteen hours. There is zero evidence pointing toward Knox or her boy friend being involved in the murder of that girl, but there is loads of evidence Guede was involved. I notice how you didn't mention the non muder weapon "kitchen knife" in this response. Guede was robbing Kerchers money now? The prosecution said she was murdered because she wouldn't have an "orgy," So you're saying Guede was there rob Kercher/house not brought there by Knox and her boyfriend?

To start with, Knox's testimony is inconsistent and unreliable at best, there is no evidence of police harassment during her interviews, her lawyer (who was present during her 2nd statement) would have said so at the time and would at least have made an effort to get evidence (doctor's examination) of Knox to establish existence of bruises, cuts, scratches etc or any sign of injury.

That did not happen, so not even an attempt to prove her alleged assault, only her word again.

Knox and Solecito left their bloody footprints there, so they were there, their shoes didn't walk around by themselves, neither did Guede's.

All three lied about the deal.

Guede's DNA was found on Kercher's purse.

He nicked her money after Knox and Solecito let him into the flat, then went for a crap, where he was when Kercher got home earlier than expected and found she'd been robbed, causing her to confront those there at the time.

The police and prosecution screwed up allright, but the forensic evidence did not lie.
The prosecution mis-presented the evidence, and the case basically got dismissed on one technical point, alone, the possibility that the tested DNA was contaminated.

Contaminated with what?

The answer lies with the forensic lab technicians, who can keep on testing the DNA evidence samples until the contamination(s) are identified leaving only the "clean" DNA to be re-evaluated.

A complex and time consuming job, but achievable, which is why the prosecution is appealing the acquittal.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Mr Gribbs

Originally Posted by ENT

He said he was at the house, on the toilet, listening to his ipod, having a crap at the time.

He was lying about that, cause there was blood sprayed all over the toilet bowl too, so he wasn't having a crap there then, but before the murder, after robbing Kercher's money.

Knox owed him big time, to finger her boss (who wasn't there) instead of Guede.

Knox was forced into fingering the black guy after being harassed by the Italian police for fourteen hours. There is zero evidence pointing toward Knox or her boy friend being involved in the murder of that girl, but there is loads of evidence Guede was involved. I notice how you didn't mention the non muder weapon "kitchen knife" in this response. Guede was robbing Kerchers money now? The prosecution said she was murdered because she wouldn't have an "orgy," So you're saying Guede was there rob Kercher/house not brought there by Knox and her boyfriend?

To start with, Knox's testimony is inconsistent and unreliable at best, there is no evidence of police harassment during her interviews, her lawyer (who was present during her 2nd statement) would have said so at the time and would at least have made an effort to get evidence (doctor's examination) of Knox to establish existence of bruises, cuts, scratches etc or any sign of injury.

That did not happen, so not even an attempt to prove her alleged assault, only her word again.

Knox and Solecito left their bloody footprints there, so they were there, their shoes didn't walk around by themselves, neither did Guede's.

All three lied about the deal.

Guede's DNA was found on Kercher's purse.

He nicked her money after Knox and Solecito let him into the flat, then went for a crap, where he was when Kercher got home earlier than expected and found she'd been robbed, causing her to confront those there at the time.

The police and prosecution screwed up allright, but the forensic evidence did not lie.
The prosecution mis-presented the evidence, and the case basically got dismissed on one technical point, alone, the possibility that the tested DNA was contaminated.

Contaminated with what?

The answer lies with the forensic lab technicians, who can keep on testing the DNA evidence samples until the contamination(s) are identified leaving only the "clean" DNA to be re-evaluated.

A complex and time consuming job, but achievable, which is why the prosecution is appealing the acquittal.

You don't know what you're talking about, Knox was a 20 year old interrogated in a foreign country in a language she barely understood, if at all at the time. The police are always looking to intimidate suspects, especially young and naive ones.
There is ample evidence that Rudy Guede was in the house, and did the crime. All you have against Knox and her boyfriend is conjecture. Guedes DNA was found in the victims vagina, his DNA was in the bathroom, he had a history of breaking into homes, he fled the country right after the murder. There is no real evidence of Knox or her boyfriend being at the home, or being involved in the murder. You're basically left with making shit up and trolling, like your "kitchen knife" DNA argument, too bad the kitchen knife wasn't the murder weapon. Guede left his mark all over that fucking place, but nothing pointing to Knox or the Italian guy.

You suffer from deliberate ignor-ance, Gibbs.

Once again you ignore Knox and Solecito's bloody foot prints at the crime scene.

Did they exist at all, in your mind?
Tell me, tell us all.

Boy, all you folks so "sure" Amanda did it, I sure hope you don't find yourself in close proximity to some Thai chick who winds up dead and the chief investigator is a guy who hates farang. Such a person might not really even care whether you are guilty or not, either way he hates your guts and thinks you deserve what your getting regardless. I sense the Italian cops realized they had screwed up when the forensics came back and pointed to known burglar Rudy Guede, but I felt a combination of refusal to admit to the public how 180 degrees wrong they to an outright hatred towards Amanda who they projected their worst stereotypes of American Women. It's as if the locals thought Basic Instinct and American Pie were documentaries.

^likewise, you're 100% sure she didn't do it. When it seems (to me) that he's got off on technicalities rather than indisputable innocence.

Obviously if the appeal is overruled you wont believe that either will you?

America-Uber-Alles.

I don't know if she is guilty or not. But she did not get off on a technicality but lack of evidence. Which is not proof of her innocence, I agree to that point.

If the prosecution had tried to find the murderer instead of trying to pin it on Knox they may have found solid evidence. Or not, I don't know.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

I don't know if she is guilty or not. But she did not get off on a technicality but lack of evidence. Which is not proof of her innocence, I agree to that point.

If the prosecution had tried to find the murderer instead of trying to pin it on Knox they may have found solid evidence. Or not, I don't know.

Yeah the physical lack of evidence. 'Cause they fucked up with the DNA.

But yeah, i guess we're on the same path.

Which means it could have been anyones DNA, therefore not a technicality but lack of evidence.

In this appeal (not the trial), Knox won an accquital on one point alone.
The defence's claim of contaminated evidence.

Apparently, by Italian law, all she had to do was to defeat one point in the procecution's case to prove that the court's determination of her case at trial was unsound.

That's all that happened.
Her defence team convinced the Judge of the appeal court that the DNA sample(s) tested were contaminated.

Now it's up yo the prosecution to prove that the DNA samples tested are indeed sufficiently valid to be able to identify its origin,.

If the lab work is rigorous enough, the prosecution will have all the evidence it will need to successfully appeal Knox and Solecito's accquital and release.

They both will be summonsed to attend the appeal hearing as normal.

If she is innocent, she should have no fear of returning to Italy for that hearing.
The world spotlight will be upon the whole proceedings.

Neither she nor Solecito are in any danger at all of being mis-treated or falsely re-arrested by the Italian legislature.

If she is guilty of the previous charge of murder, the knowledge that the DNA proof is there will keep here away from Italy for ever.

Solecito's problem is more complex, he is Italian.

I don't think Knox will voluntarily return to Italy at all.

Amanda Knox signs book deal with HarperCollins

Publisher Jonathan Burnham says Knox will write "very thoughtful, reflective and serious book"

Amanda Knox, the young American cleared of murdering her British housemate Meredith Kercher in 2007 in the Italian city of Perugia, has signed a book deal with HarperCollins.

The book publisher said the 24-year-old will "give a full and unflinching account" of both her arrest and trial.

The deal is reportedly worth $4m (£2.5m) for world rights and is tentatively scheduled for early 2013.

Ms Knox was cleared in October of killing Miss Kercher, of south London.

An appeal court overturned her conviction and that of her former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito, who had also been found guilty of murder, after doubts were raised about the gathering of DNA evidence.

Italian prosecutors, however, have launched an appeal against the acquittals.

Thats par for the course.

Amanda Knox signs reported $4 million book deal with HarperCollins - Telegraph

Amanda Knox signs reported $4 million book deal for 'full and unflinching' memoirs

Amanda Knox, the American student convicted then cleared of murdering her British room-mate, has signed a reported $4 million (£2.5 million) book deal for a "full and unflinching" account of the events surrounding her arrest and trial.

Amanda Knox, shown here shortly after her conviction for murder was thrown out, has signed a book deal Photo: AFP/GETTY/REUTERS









By Rosa Prince, New York

7:13PM GMT 16 Feb 2012



Following what was described as a "heated" bidding war, publishing giant HarperCollins announced that the as-yet untitled memoir would go on sale in the United States early next year.

Knox and her then-boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito were sentenced to 26 and 25 years respectively for the 2007 murder of Meredith Kercher in the Italian city of Perugia, serving four before being freed in October.

Prosecutors this week launched a high court appeal against their release – they maintain that the couple murdered Miss Kercher, 21, slitting her throat and stabbing her multiple times when she refused to take part in a sex orgy. A third defendant, Rudy Guede, remains in prison.



Knox was accused of murdering British student Meredith Kercher in 2007

13 Feb 2012
In a statement, Harper Collins said: "Knox will give a full and unflinching account of the events that led to her arrest in Perugia and her struggles with the complexities of the Italian judicial system.
"Aided by journals she kept during her imprisonment, Knox will talk about her harrowing experience at the hands of the Italian police and later prison guards and inmates.
"She will reveal never before-told details surrounding her case, and describe how she used her inner strength and strong family ties to cope with the most challenging time of her young life."
HarperCollins refused to confirm how much 24-year-old Knox will be paid for the book, but insiders suggested it was at least seven figures, and probably close to $4 million (£2.5).
Twenty publishers had expressed an interested in the memoir before her representatives held an auction this week. Knox met with seven executives – all of whom bid for the book.
Jonathan Burnham of HarperCollins said that Knox had studied creative writing in college, and would be writing the book herself with the help of an unnamed collaborator. Her editor is Claire Wachtel, who has worked with the crime novelist Dennis Lehane.
Since her return from Perugia, Knox has kept a low profile, spending much of her time working on the memoirs in her home town of Seattle.
She retained the services of Robert B. Barnett, a Washington lawyer who has brokered book deal for a number of big names, including President Barack Obama, President Bill Clinton and former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.
Several publishers invited to meet Knox told the New York Times earlier this week that she had cut an impressive figure, appearing relaxed and speaking knowledgably about literature and her desire to become a writer.
A number of booksellers expressed reservations, however, about how well the memoirs would sell, given Knox's notoriety.
During her captivity, she was largely viewed in her own country an innocent victim of the chaotic Italian judicial system.
In both Britain and Italy, however, Knox is seen rather differently, with some suggesting that she got away with murder.
She became notorious during the early investigation into Miss Kercher's death after it emerged that she had turned a cartwheel in the police station soon after the murder, and was captured on television kissing Sollecito passionately. He is also said to be preparing to sell a book about the crime in Italy.
Miss Kercher's family had called on Knox not to publish her story – her father called the American's release from jail "ludicrous".

Originally Posted by sunsetter

knox.... you would woudnt ya

Errrrr.......NO. Have you seen the herpes growing on her top lip? Fcuking disgusting. Would you like massive fetid scabs all over your face and cock?

You are sick. Sick I tell thee.

Originally Posted by bobo746

Thats par for the course.

4 million ?

Time to go murder somebody...

Originally Posted by socal

Knox was acquitted “for not committing the act,” judge Claudio Pratillo Hellmann said, reading out the ruling after 11 hours of jury deliberations.
Knox’s former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito, who was appealing the same convictions for the gruesome 2007 killing, was also acquitted and drove away from Terni prison with his father, headed for his home town in southern Italy.


Appeal verdicts that overturn the original case are relatively rare in Italy, but Knox’s defence had the upper hand for much of the appeal, particularly after independent experts cast serious doubt on some crucial DNA evidence.


There you have it. Another example of how pathetic and useless western justice systems are.

...and she just got a 4 million dollar book deal to boot. Me, I have to rent textbooks so that I can afford to go to school.

^Good for her. Small compensation for the misery inflicted on her by the incompetent Italian prosecutors for something she had nothing to do with.

Italian court considers Amanda Knox retrial



Amanda Knox and her former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito have always denied any involvement in the murder of Meredith Kercher

Italy's highest court is due to decide whether US student Amanda Knox should be retried over the killing of her British flatmate Meredith Kercher.

Prosecutors are arguing that the acquittal of Miss Knox and her former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito on appeal in October 2011 was flawed.

The pair spent four years in jail for the murder of the 21-year-old student in Perugia in November 2007.

They have both always denied any involvement in the murder.

The killing and subsequent trials made headlines around the world.

Miss Knox and Mr Sollecito had been facing 26-year and 25-year jail terms respectively following their initial convictions in 2009.

But they were acquitted after the defence successfully argued that DNA evidence on a kitchen knife, thought to be the murder weapon, could be flawed.

Miss Knox, who now lives in her home town of Seattle, was "very anxious" about the latest hearing, according to her Italian lawyer.

If the court upholds the October 2011 verdict, this protracted case will finally be over and Miss Knox and Mr Sollecito will have their innocence confirmed in the eyes of the law, the BBC's Alan Johnston reports from Rome.

However, if the court rules against the verdict, a new appeals process would be reordered, meaning there would be a retrial, he adds.


Points of law

Meredith Kercher, from Croydon, south London, had been on a year abroad from Leeds University when she was found semi-naked in her bedroom and with her throat cut in the cottage she shared with Miss Knox in November 2007.




Meredith Kercher's family say they are still seeking answers to her brutal killing


She had also been sexually assaulted, leading prosecutors to believe she was killed in a brutal sex game that went wrong.

Ivory Coast national Rudy Guede was convicted in a separate trial of sexually assaulting and stabbing Meredith Kercher and sentenced to 16 years in prison. He has admitted being at the house on the night of the murder, but denies murder.

Prosecution evidence of Miss Knox's DNA on the handle of the alleged murder weapon, and Miss Kercher's DNA on the blade of the knife, which was found at Mr Sollecito's flat, had been key to the original convictions of Miss Knox and Mr Sollecito.

But the appeal in October 2011 heard an independent review cast doubt over those DNA traces due to concerns about poor procedures in evidence collection and forensic testing and the possibility of contamination.

Prosecutors argue that the October 2011 acquittals failed to take into account other key evidence against Miss Knox and Mr Sollecito.

The judges in Monday's hearing will be considering points of law rather than the evidence, and could deliver their verdict later on in the day.

Meredith Kercher's family told British media this week that they hope the latest hearing will provide some answers to the "many unanswered questions" about her brutal killing.

Neither Miss Knox, who is preparing to publish her memoirs, and Mr Sollecito, a student in Verona, are expected to attend the hearing.

The high side of long foreign prisons stays is you'd get a lot more exposure and practice in language learning. Not to mention free time for mastering the art of touching yourself.

Originally Posted by Camel Toe

Not to mention free time for mastering the art of touching yourself.

I must be a natural as I've never done time.

"Confident" Amanda Knox says Kercher Italian murder retrial decision "painful"



"Confident" Amanda Knox says Kercher Italian murder retrial decision "painful" - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk


Amanda Knox 26 March 2013
Amanda Knox and her former boyfriend are to face a retrial for the murder of a British student six years ago.
This morning Italy's highest criminal court overturned the acquittal of the American and ex-boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito in the death of housemate Meredith Kercher in 2007.
The Court of Cassation in Rome ruled today that an appeals court in Florence must re-hear the case against both over the 21-year-old's murder.
Knox said it was "painful" to have her acquittal overturned but she was confident in the truth, and said remaining questions about her case must now be examined by objective and capable prosecutors.
She said the Perugia prosecutors' theory of her involvement in the murder is "completely unfounded and unfair."
"No matter what happens, my family and I will face this continuing legal battle as we always have, confident in the truth and with our heads held high in the face of wrongful accusations and unreasonable adversity," she said
The body of Meredith Kercher - from Coulsdon, Surrey - was found in November 2007 in her bedroom at the house she shared with Knox and other roommates in Perugia - an Italian university town where the two women were exchange students.
Her throat had been slashed.
Sister Stephanie Kercher - speaking at her Surrey home - said there were still "a lot of unanswered questions".
"We are very hopeful that it going back to court will help find those answers and find out the truth of what happened that night," she said.
"Whilst we are not happy about going back to court, and it will not bring her back, we have to make sure we have done all we can for her.
"We still have a long journey ahead and we are very grateful for the support of the public and in Italy - we just want justice for Mez."
Ms Kercher's family lawyer, Francesco Maresca, said after the ruling: "Yes, this is what we wanted

Didn't say if she would hold her head high back in Italy or by peering over the shoulder of a Stateside lawyer while fighting extradition