Thread: Suicide, depression hit Australia detainees

Originally Posted by Bazzy

Originally Posted by baby maker As it relates to immigration. Australia needs more people if it is to realize it's enormous economic potential. Relying on export of raw natural resources and agricultural products is fine but for the long term not a way to achieve maximum economic potential.

.....thanks for that "Bazzy"....see the fine nation of cricketers....still bowl underarm..

.......and lets not start on the Canberra Raiders....dogs breakfast...was it...

Jesus man....pay back the ten pounds....and emigrate...the party is over in Aus..

Norton.
Australia may look big on the map but the fact is the majority of Australia is arid.
It is almost at saturation point now as far as population is concerned. If you knew anything at all about Australia you would know the biggest problem in Australias immediate future is water supply and the Aussie papers are full of debate on the subject on a daily basis.
I suggest you go and spend some time there before holding forth with uninformed opinion about the potential of Australia.

Originally Posted by Koojo

Norton.
Australia may look big on the map but the fact is the majority of Australia is arid.
It is almost at saturation point now as far as population is concerned. If you knew anything at all about Australia you would know the biggest problem in Australias immediate future is water supply and the Aussie papers are full of debate on the subject on a daily basis.
I suggest you go and spend some time there before holding forth with uninformed opinion about the potential of Australia.

....on the money....well said...

Originally Posted by baby maker

thanks for that "Bazzy"....see the fine nation of cricketers....still bowl underarm..

Do I detect a bitter Kiwi? Get over it, the rest of us moved on years ago....

Originally Posted by Koojo

Norton.
Australia may look big on the map but the fact is the majority of Australia is arid.
It is almost at saturation point now as far as population is concerned. If you knew anything at all about Australia you would know the biggest problem in Australias immediate future is water supply and the Aussie papers are full of debate on the subject on a daily basis.
I suggest you go and spend some time there before holding forth with uninformed opinion about the potential of Australia.

Here here!

Originally Posted by Bazzy

......the rest of us moved on years ago....

Yep!!....moved on alright...it's for the dogs now....ask Monaghan....about reach around.........or going walkies....or is that walk about....

Originally Posted by ataloss

Couldn't agree more with all of the above comments. This scenario is now being played out in Canada much to the dismay of the taxpayer. Two large boatloads of Sri Lankan misfits each paid upwards of U$10,000 to set sale from Thailand to the Canadian Pacific coast, bypassing the normal refugee-assessment procedure. It's not only the Liberals but the Conservatives( 60% of whom are essentially the Reform party right-wing, religious-zealot, U.S.A.-Republican Party Wannabees) as well. The expectation is that the new immigrants will vote for the party in power when those immigrants landed and taken under wing; and, anecdotal evidence suggests they are correct.
Refugee law states that asylum seekers do not have to be accepted by '3rd' counties. So Sri Lankans arriving in Thailand (the'2nd' country) direct from Sri Lanka should be processed as Thai immigrants. 2nd countries are not to act as a transit point to a '3rd' country such as Canada or Australia. UNHCR and the United Nations are coming down hard on Canada, Australia and other so-called '3rd' countries for not being kind; and that is not right. It is time for Canada, at least, to opt out of this boondoggle. Furthermore billing the UN for the total cost of dealing with this mess ought to get the UN to act at addressing this issue once and for all. As it is now, the UN could care less.

Agree with most of what you say (except for the bit about the Conservatives..)
First of all it's a bit of a stretch to believe that people who can pay $10K for the passage are real refugees. Real refugees can't affort that--the black market merchants and other criminals and manipulators can...and that is frequently what we end up with.

It's hardly surprising that the UN would be critical of those countries that are on the receiving end of this wave of migration. The UN is well populated with representatives from the exporting nations of all these refugees. If they concerned themselves a lot more with solving the problems in their own countries instead of exporting them to other countries, maybe we could make some progress.

You are right about the 3rd country rule. Canada has ended up accepting many migrants that have already been processed through another country which should have accepted them under the UN rules; if the rules were strictly applied...but the UN only pays lip service to that rule. In the end it always falls on the "rich" western country to absorb the migrants regardless of what impact the continued influx of people has on the local population and economy.

Sure Canada and Australia in particular have a need for new migrants, but they should have the absolute right to pick and choose who they allow in and who they do not. The steady influx of people who are not equipped to settle into an advanced industrialized society is a huge burden on the education system, health care system, social services, and creates all kinds of resentments and conflicts because of the "special" treatment handed out to help these people become integrated...which many of them never do.

Ultimately the problems of these source countries have to be solved locally. The western countries simply can not accomodate everybody that wants to improve their lot in life. Any resonable compassionte person has to feel sorry for genuine refugees but when they arrive on a foreign shore it should not be a requirement to award them permanent residence. They can be "protected" and made safe from harm back in their own country until things settle down enough to send them back home.

A genuine refugee after all is supposed to be someone who is in real danger of death or persecution; not just someone trying to get their nose into the trough of a welfare state's benefits program.

Civil wars and other conflicts do come to an end after all. Those who have the basic attributes and show willingness to adapt can be allowed to stay and prove themselves, if there is fact a need and a place for them, and if they meet the basic requirements of a normal immigrant coming in through regular channels.

Citizenship should have to be earned....and every country needs to be able to choose it's own citizens, and exercise strict control over those residents who are not citizens....just ask any Thai government official.. .

/\....good post....

Originally Posted by Norton

As it relates to immigration. Australia needs more people

Never a truer word spoken , it is called economies of scale .

Originally Posted by Bazzy

Fuck off we're full :-)

with out a doubt the bumper sticker of a fool .

Originally Posted by Koojo

If you knew anything at all about Australia you would know the biggest problem in Australias immediate future is water supply and the Aussie papers are full of debate on the subject on a daily basis.

Hard not to notice when traveling a few kilometers away from the coastline. Is the debate over how to solve the water shortage? No matter the solution it's going to be damn expensive.

Originally Posted by Norton

Is the debate over how to solve the water shortage?

no shortage as such , just an unpredictable supply .

Originally Posted by Norton

No matter the solution it's going to be damn expensive.

yep , much better to spend the freight on a National Broadband Network ,

now where is that wanking smilie ?

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Koojo

If you knew anything at all about Australia you would know the biggest problem in Australias immediate future is water supply and the Aussie papers are full of debate on the subject on a daily basis.

Hard not to notice when traveling a few kilometers away from the coastline. Is the debate over how to solve the water shortage? No matter the solution it's going to be damn expensive.

I understand that it takes about 4-5 liters of water to make one liter of beer.
If all Aussies stop drinking beer immediately, the whole place will be flooded in a few years...

puzzled why I didn't see a bunch of steel mills turning out steel to sell to China and Japan rather than shipping unprocessed iron ore which was then turned into manufactured goods by these countries and sold retail.

No worries, she'll be right.

Quite right Norton, and then buy it back in the form of finished products.
Whatever happened to the Newcastle steel industry?
The Greeks arrived before the overpopulation problem arose and quickly learned to cook fish and chips and lay bricks which endeared them to the Aussie population.

Originally Posted by Koojo

The Greeks arrived before the overpopulation problem arose and quickly learned to cook fish and chips and lay bricks which endeared them to the Aussie population.

The Greek food restaurants in Melbourne are better than in Greece. Also, they came to work and make a better life for themselves and families. This is the key to immigrants. Work, earn your way and you will be accepted in any country. Come and expect to be supported by a liberal government and you will not get sympathy from those who are supporting you via their taxes.

Originally Posted by Koojo

Whatever happened to the Newcastle steel industry?

About the same as US steel industry. Failed to modernize. Became uncompetitive in world steel market. Polluted the environment. Closed down. Laid off thousands.

Understand there is an effort to reopen a modern globally competitive operation. If done can only be good for Australia and employment.

May be a few immigrants needed.

Originally Posted by davearn

20 years ago, a family could live very comfortably on one wage in Australia. Full free health care and an old age pension upron retirement.

Now, people struggle on two wages, only get 75% back of medical bills paid up front (the standard of which is bloody abysmal) and no age pension.

I have noticed our overseas contributions have trebled in the last twenty years so it seems our Govt. is so paranoid about having good diplomatic relations with Indo and Malaysia et al, that the average Aussie is far worse off.

I can see no reason why the so-called asylum seekers should not have to repay anyt costs once they are settled into Australia and making a wage or drawing a government subsidy. After all, our students have to reapy any education costs (HECS) they may incur in an effort to better themselves.

Just my two cents worth I guess...

You sound just like a POHM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

When I was in Sydney at year's end, I got a Bangladeshi taxi driver who'd only been in the country a week. He asked me to put the street name into the GPS and then followed it.

All I can say "arry" that "cab" driver was so lucky to have picked you up, how is your Bengali?

Get a bit of practice in while you were in the smoke did you?

I spoke to a young Pakistani chap in a Service Station in Sydney a couple of years ago. He came out on a student visa to learn English and he told me he can work up to 30 hours a week. More with a 'good' boss who will pay him cash. He was living with heaps of other 'students' and sending money home to clear his debt. He told me that he could get extensions quite easily by doing another course after he completed his "English Training" he left school in Pakistan at age 13. I imagine Cab Drivers are on the same racket.

Originally Posted by bobo746

before the indian influx he says he could earn $35 an hour plus

I feel for your friend but I think his blame is misdirected.

A cabbie earns according to how many fares and the distance travelled on fares. It depends on how many other cabs are on the road at the same time. The number of cabs on the road is controlled by the state government, through licensing. An asian immigrant has absolutely no influence.

Have to agree thats his gripe the state gov.wants to make their unemployment figures look good so they create 2000 jobs but they are all in the taxi industry and the cab companies love it because they pay them a shit wage and make more on the bottom line it's a good scam.

Originally Posted by bobo746

state gov.wants to make their unemployment figures look good

I think the government's motivation was simply to improve the service. Sure it was great for a cabbie to earn $35 an hour at one time, but try getting a cab in peak times, there simply isn't enough on the road. The government controls supply and demand, because it is so important for tourism and commerce.