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Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by bsnub

Just because the coolies that built the since collapsed and short lived British empire were not in chains does not mean they were not slaves.

Of course it's being completely overlooked here but the English had their own fair share of slaves long before we did.

Who's this anonymous "we" you're on about?

Dy'a mean Americans?

America had black African slavery introduced there by De Soto in 1500s, and Spanish America, (including Florida ) saw many slaves imported there then.


Hey, you're from New Spain. ain't ya,.....Florida?


Florida became United States territory in 1821. Up until then, the Spanish had ruled the land for almost three hundred years. When Florida achieved statehood, the total population was twelve thousand, the majority consisting of free blacks, fugitive slaves, or Seminole, Creek or Mikasuki Indians. Some blacks found the more relaxed racial climate to their liking. By the 1730s, Spanish Florida existed as a haven for runaway slaves from Georgia and the Carolinas. While the life of a slave in colonial Florida was not necessarily better than the life of a British slave in Virginia, the institutions of government and church offered them better legal protection and far greater opportunity for freedom.

By 1830, Middle Florida had emerged as the state’s “black belt”. The vast majority of slaves lived in this region, consisting of Jackson, Gadsden, Leon, Jefferson and Madison Counties. Although cotton would come to be the main cash crop of Middle Florida, most slaveholders owning large areas grew sugarcane only for their own consumption. Planters often cultivated a variety of other crops other than their staple, such as corn, sweet potatoes, greens, squash, and okra.
http://historyengine.richmond.edu/episodes/view/4861






Well, wadya know, the American colony of New Spain (including Florida) existed for 300 years before it became incorporated into the USA!!
https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=ne...h=909#imgdii=_

^ You are truely clueless I have a history degree from University. How about you?

Your post is not even your own words it is a cut and paste from some shitty website. Spain ceded Florida to the British in 1763 after they signed the Treaty of Paris. My post is not close to being myopic it is simply pointing out that your post is inaccurate. I didn't have to run to some website to correct you I already know the history.

When it comes to education you are clearly lacking and your posts over time clearly show it.

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ You are truely clueless I have a history degree from University. How about you?

Your post is not even your own words it is a cut and paste from some shitty website. Spain ceded Florida to the British in 1763 after they signed the Treaty of Paris. My post is not close to being myopic it is simply pointing out that your post is inaccurate. I didn't have to run to some website to correct you I already know the history.

When it comes to education you are clearly lacking and your posts over time clearly show it.

Now I know you're a myopic clone, " I know it all already.." you say......

You attack me for posting established refs only because you don't know how to find one, so you've got no university training, as you claim to have.

I posted a ref. to Florida becoming US territory in 1831, a US historical fact which you don't seem to know about.


So let's look at what the Treaty of Paris 1763 was all about;

The Treaty of Paris, also known as the Peace of Paris and the Treaty of 1763, was signed on 10 February 1763 by the kingdoms of Great Britain, France and Spain, with Portugal in agreement, after Britain's victory over France and Spain during the Seven Years' War.
Treaty of Paris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia(1763)

So, the Treaty of Paris wasn't signed by America, but was between GB, France and Spain.


But, after American independence in 1783, another treaty was drawn up in 1819;

"The Adams–Onís Treaty of 1819,[1] also known as the Transcontinental Treaty or the Purchase of Florida,[2] or the Florida Treaty,[3] was a treaty between the United States and Spain in 1819 that gave Florida to the U.S. and set out a boundary between the U.S. and New Spain (now Mexico).

It settled a standing border dispute between the two countries and was considered a triumph of American diplomacy. It came in the midst of increasing tensions related to Spain's territorial boundaries in North America vs. the United States and United Kingdom in the aftermath of the American Revolution; and also, during a period of weakening in Spanish power.

In addition to ceding Florida to the United States, the treaty settled (as between Spain and the national Government of the US) a boundary dispute along the Sabine River in Texas; it firmly established the boundary of U.S. territory and claims through the Rocky Mountains and west to the Pacific Ocean, in exchange for the U.S. paying residents' claims against the Spanish government up to a total of $5,000,000 and relinquishing the US claims on parts of Spanish Texas west of the Sabine River and other Spanish areas, under the terms of the Louisiana Purchase.

This latter territorial “settlement” was never accepted by American Southerners in general or Louisianans in particular. They later migrated from Louisiana territory and crossed into Spanish Texas (later the Mexican State of Texas)--firm in the belief that the original Louisiana Territory (which had been purchased nearly two decades earlier from France) included substantial tracts of land in what is now Colorado and New Mexico. They thought the western and northern borders of Texas should include what is now the eastern third of all New Mexico and the southeastern third of Colorado.[citation needed]

Pursuant to the Treaty of Friendship and General Relations between the United States of America and Spain of 1902,[4] Article XXIX, "All treaties, agreements, conventions and contracts between the United States and Spain prior to the Treaty of Paris shall be expressly abrogated and annulled, [B]with the exception of the [I]Adams-Onis Treaty[/I] signed the seventeenth of February 1834".

After independence, there was the question of .......

Spanish Rule. For more than two hundred years the Spanish flag had waved over East and West Florida, then the English flag, and then the Spanish again. You have learned how St. Augustine, the first lasting settlement in what is now the United States, was established. Later Pensacola on the western coast was founded, the fort of St. Marks was built, and there were a few settlements in other parts of the country. Except in the neighborhood of the few towns, the Indians were the real owners and rulers of the land. They roamed at will through the great forests, hunting and fishing, clearing land and raising their crops, undisturbed by the Spaniards.

Necessity of annexing Florida. But there was still trouble between these Indians and their American neighbors, and Spain could not or would not end these troubles; it was believed that for the sake of peace and safety the United States must acquire possession of Florida. So it was proposed that Spain should exchange Florida for a part of Louisiana next to Texas, but nothing came of this plan.



How long had Florida been occupied? Why was it important for America to annex Florida?



Treaty of Acquisition. However, Jackson's rapid marches and the punishment he dealt the Indians and their allies for injuries to American settlements, proved to Spain that she could not rule her territory or keep the Indians under control without a large army and heavy expense.

Finally, after much discussion, a treaty was signed on Feb. 22, 1819, by which Spain agreed to transfer Florida to the United States for the sum of five million dollars, and the payment of certain claims.

This treaty was ratified by Spain, Oct. 24, 1820, but ratifications were not exchanged at Washington till Feb. 22, 1821. This was the second great land purchase made by our government. General Jackson was appointed military governor of the two Floridas until a regular government should be formed.

Jackson receives the Territory. The exchange of flags took place on July 10, 1821, at St. Augustine, and on July 17, 1821, at Pensacola. General Jackson was appointed military governor, and went to receive the new Territory and arrange for the exchange of flags at Pensacola the same ceremony at St. Augustine being conducted by Adjutant General Butler.

Floripedia: Florida Becomes a Territory




That lot above is for your personal education and edification snubsy.

As you can read, some of what was left of New Spain's southern states was alive and well in Florida for a long time after American Independence, final accord only being reached in 1902.