i do not believe he is dead, just because the reports say he got killed and the morning after his body is buried at sea, how convenient that is, shouldn't his family be given the right to give him a funeral, all smells a bit wrong to me, why not any pictures like they did with saddam, all a big hoax
of course it's a joke, it's like the fake passport at the bottom of the WTC
the bigger the lie, the more believable
it's nice to see Obama becoming a total sell out, he is losing the Democrats, so now he is switching to the right wing crowd
do we have evidence that he was killed ? oh wait, Pakistan security services and the US government say he wasOriginally Posted by rickschoppers
very credible
was he hiding with Saddam WoMD ?
A couple of thoughts to consider.....
Some of you will recall some fuss over a photo uploaded to the internet last year. It purported to show a large crowd of multi-colour/no-colour (I forget which - doesn't matter) demonstrators gathered outside the 11th Infantry base in Bangkok to show support. Even moderately close examination by a non-expert quickly revealed that it was actually a not-badly montaged Photoshop job with sections of the foreground crowd repeated several times across the width and depth of the pic - thus making the crowd look very big. Here's the point: it was designed to be spotted as a fake. That fake called into question genuine pictures that appeared in the media - pictures that showed about the same size of crowd as the fake did. So much so that The Nation ran a front page splash swearing blind that their pics were un-doctored and were published as taken. For the uploader of the doctored pic - disinformation job done..... the detectable fake made people question the real McCoy.
Second point. Does anyone seriously think Obama would commit certain political suicide by addressing the nation with this explicit announcement if there were even 0.01% doubt? I know that history is full of cock-ups (probably more so than conspiracies), but to believe one like this is really stretching things.
Edit to add:
A similar game was played with sightseeing-type pics of Thaksin in various very recognisable places a year or two back - I think it may have been when there was talk of him being at least seriously ill if not near death/actually dead. Some of the pics published were detectably fake - and clear evidence of how they'd been faked was presented. Whose fakes they were we don't know - at least I don't. Some looked convincing/plausible enough - but because of the detectable fakes, all the pics were then regarded as at least questionable and probably also fake (including one of Thaksin with Mandela.....even though Mandela's office confirmed - when someone bothered to ask - that yes, they had met at the time claimed for the photo).
I'm sure there's some smart technical term for this kind of tactic, but double-bluff or "fake fake" comes close enough.
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Their conviction that the world (ok - and this is only that which I have garnered from multifarious websites/newapapers - their own populace, oh, and bigoted idiots on 'expat forums') are idiots, takes my breath away.
This is a guy they'd been a-huntin' down since they bombed THEMSELVES (whatever you may delude yourselves with otherwise) ... and THEY BURIED HIM AT SEA?!
C'MONNNNN!!!! LOL!
Protecting civilians is what the Irish say.Originally Posted by Butterfly
We do not have body, we do not have anyone who knew him admitting to a body, we have a statement that a body has been buried "at sea". We have reports of a lightly guarded mansion attacked by "forces. A helicopter was brought down. A report that a body, with a head wound, was the wanted person.
The reasoning for the sea burial is that a shrine would not be created. Are the "authorities" going to shoot all the "believers" who go to the site of his mansion?
Why was he not captured and put on trial. Was there insufficient evidence?
A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.
Let's assume the story is true for a minute.
There's no way they would want to take him alive, as they'd look a right bunch of cunts having blamed him for 9/11 and not being able to produce any evidence other than him talking about it on tape after the fact using the generic "we".
So top him, dump the body in the drink, and just like Hitler's remains, don't give the crazies somewhere to worship.
The only shame for me is that he was dead when they did it.
The death of Osama bin Laden is American rough justice, Wild West-style
By Tim Stanley World Last updated: May 2nd, 2011
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Osama's death has the feel of a peculiarly American-style of justice.
Finally, America has her revenge. As crowds gather outside the White House to celebrate, even the anti-war Huffington Post finds oddly political cheer in the news that Osama is dead, while USA Todayleads with “Bin Laden Death Could Boost Markets”.
Obama has prevailed; the patient, grisly War on Terror seems justified.
And all of this has the feeling of a peculiarly American kind of justice, the kind that no other country in the world would probably either execute, or enjoy, quite so well.
America is a nation of laws, but beneath all that fine sentiment about procedure there is a stronger hunger for natural justice.
One is put in mind of the great, 19th-century historian Hubert Howe Bancroft, whose work on the Wild West discovered and defended an American tradition of personal, violent justice.
Lynch law and vendettas, he wrote, were the informal exercise of a people’s will to obtain a verdict that the state was currently powerless to achieve.
Europeans had been emasculated by their reliance upon formal law and bureaucracy.
It was in the American wilderness that the individual was once again freed to pursue their own kind of rough justice.
The assassination of Osama is as American as the shootout that killed Billy the Kid. It is a personal Wild West drama writ-large on the global stage.
In the past decade, some Americans have talked about “putting Osama on trial”. But those that did inevitably sounded slightly less desirous of justice than those who talked of personally putting a bullet between his eyes.
For Osama must not just be caught, the public had decided, but be hunted down and killed. Even John Kerry, the figurehead for doubt and indecision in 2004, promised that much.
But this kind of raw justice has been hard to achieve. Ever since America’s war on Islamism began (and it’s been going in some form or other since the late 1970s), she has been defeated by her size.
The USA is a big, lumbering whale; al-Qaeda is a small, persistent piranha, nibbling at her side. Actions like the bombing of Tripoli of 1986 or the strikes on Sudan in 1998 killed few, missed their actual targets and angered the Arab world. They had cathartic value, but made little strategic sense. Al-Qaeda escaped and prospered, too small and flexible to be caught by America’s gigantic military machine.
But today, justice has finally been had. The outlaw swings from the yardarm, the townspeople rejoice, the sheriff may get re-elected after all. And in this moment, all the suffering of the past ten years seem justified. The beast is dead. All the horrors of Hell await him.
daily telegraph
the world needs america, it needs a dirty harry to take on these rogue states, rogue operators and assorted scumbags that nobody else has got the balls to confront, it needs someone who is not afraid to play as dirty as its opponents, to operate outside the law on occasions in order to get the job done.
Why should we wait several months? Are you expecting his body to pop back up to the surface or get caught in a fishing net?
This has more classic psyop-spin bullshit written all over it. Body burried at sea.. WTF? But you may be right about waiting -- for a few days -- as more will certainly be revealed, maybe even some more video and a photograph. I'm willing to wait for that.
My mind is not for rent to any God or Government, There's no hope for your discontent - the changes are permanent!
if he wasnt killed, dont you think he would have, or will in the next few hours produce and release one of his videos to show how alive he is.
hes as dead as dead can be, and feeding the fishes somewhere right now.
Simple really:
1: Killed and body destroyed in massive airstrike, etc.
a) No one believes it.
or
b) Death site / 'burial place' becomes a shrine (especially in Pakistan)
2: Captured and brought to US
a) executed = martyr.
b) imprisoned = focus of protests, etc.
3. Killed and body delivered 'home' = martyr/shrine scenario again.
4. Killed, photographed & dumped at sea = no shrine, just conspiracy nutjobs to (not) worry about.
5. Not killed. He'll have to pop up live on CNN or Al Jazherra to disprove it.
However, the Pakis have some fucking questions to answer.........
You, sir, are a God among men....
Short Men, who aren't terribly bright....
More like dwarves with learning disabilities....
You are a God among Dwarves With Learning Disabilities.
they only died a political death, they are really still aliveOriginally Posted by Marmite the Dog
There's one "conspiracy" type version (touched on by someone earlier) that I could accept - which is that OBL was already dead for some period before. Doesn't matter how long - anytime since the last confirmable sighting alive will do. US intelligence finally confirms the fact he's dead - but it's not too sexy because it was from natural causes (say kidney failure).
Knowing he's not going to pop up in another video holding that day's newspaper, what better than to stage a movie-style special op and "take out" the already long-dead OBL? Big headlines: check. No problem about no body - buried at sea to avoid "shrine" scenario: check.
Works for me..... until the carefully prepared evidence is produced to demonstrate that, yes, it did go as now advertised - just as the South Korean warship sinking investigation pointed convincingly to a North Korean torpedo impact.
Of course, there will always be someone somewhere who will still call it a set-up..... As James Cameron said after "Avatar" - "if you can imagine it, we can make it". Speaking of movies, welcome to the world of "Total Recall"..... it's all as real as you think it is.
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The story already has holes in it. The burriel at sea is the most obvious. But also the story about the "high' walls" etc. TV footage shows the walls are just average height for Asian houses and compounds of even just slightly better than average worth. The helicopter crash is still developing but is being overshaddowed by the bigger story about OBL's death. Also a bit weird.
Anyway, I'll wait for the stills and video that must have been shot.
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