Thread: Arab guilty of rape after consensual sex with Jew

Jew me,


sue me,


everybody do me....

Originally Posted by crippen

court ruled that he was guilty of rape by deception.

Heaven forbid this be the law in Thailand. Jails would be overflowing with young ladies in the biz.

I have a hunch this was one ugly desperate woman. The guy said, hey I'll date you but first we screw.

Originally Posted by Thaiguy

Must have happened in the dark? - aren't all Jewish people circumcised and Arabs are not? This knowledge was used by Arabs to check the "credentials" of anybody suspected of being a Jewish spy during many of their historic conflicts.
Circumcised Europeans in general were often accused of being Jewish in less enlightened times , this silly bitch needs to get some better instruction unless she was having too good a time to notice?

Many arabs are circumcised, particularly the middle classes and the wealthy. It is a recommended option in the koran. When the European invaders were defeated in battle, the victorious muslims would sometimes undertake a mass circumcision of the prisoners. (No hygiene and no anaesthesia). And yes you can tell the difference. Jews and most African tribes and Polynesians that do it do not have the complete circumcision because part of frenulum is usually left attached, whereas the muslims do the complete circle and everything gets sliced.[/quote]

Damn , just when I thought I knew everything up comes something new and interesting - thanks Bro!

Originally Posted by deathstardan

Originally Posted by mr Fred

Bloke lied to get a shag. Bloody hell, half of us would in doing time for that one.

Yes, of coarse I'm a millionaire.......

Yes, of coarse I'm a Buddhist/Christian/Muslim....

Yes, of coarse I'm a red/yellow shirt supporter......

Yes, of coarse I'm single......

Yes, of coarse I love you.....

Yes, of coarse I love Thailand......

Yes, of coarse I will support you every month....

I've used 'em all.......

That sounds a bit rough!

of course. : )

Originally Posted by larvidchr

And lets just move this one to Iran, both would have faced very serious charges that would in comparison make the Israeli sentence look insignificant.

That sounds like a justification Larv

Originally Posted by zygote1

He split before she'd finished putting her clothes back on.She filed a criminal complaint for rape and indecent assault, which authorities took seriously. The woman felt used, particularly since the fellow bailed. Hell hath no fury like a woman spurned.

Well as a 32 year old guy in can assure you there are many guys who are in jail in europe because they refused to fuck a girl at some point lol

Originally Posted by zygote1

Many arabs are circumcised, particularly the middle classes and the wealthy

It is not a arab thing. all mulims believe that they should be circumsised. I know about the iranian christians and they are also circumsised as it is tradition there, while i know iraqi christians who see that as a muslim tradition and (some, many, all??) do not do that.

in lebanon they have 4 or 5 different religions and they stick rigid
to people from their own religion.
don't mix.

Originally Posted by billy the kid

in lebanon they have 4 or 5 different religions and they stick rigid
to people from their own religion.
don't mix.

total garbage. They have to mix. And they do. Loads of Lebanese families have bits of Muslim and Christian and Druze.

Saber Kushour: 'My conviction for "rape by deception" has ruined my life'
Saber Kushour, an Arab Israeli convicted of 'rape by deception' of a Jewish woman, gives his side of the story in an exclusive interview

Harriet Sherwood
The Observer, Sunday 25 July 2010
Article history

Saber Kushour insists the partner of his casual sexual encounter was willing and never showed any interest in his background. Photograph: Emil Salman /Haaretz
Saber Kushour apologises as he asks his guests to move the plastic chairs on his breeze-block balcony a little closer to the door to his house. If he were to sit where they are now, he explains, the electronic tag attached to his ankle would set off an alarm.

Kushour's edginess is understandable – he is recalling a 15-minute encounter almost two years ago which he says "has destroyed my life".

Last week the married father of two from east Jerusalem was sentenced to 18 months in jail for the "rape by deception" of a Jewish woman who claimed she would not have had sex with him had she known he was an Arab. What might have been a tawdry episode – casting neither Kushour nor the woman in a favourable light – exploded into a debate in Israel about racism, sexual mores and justice.

"I am paying the price for a mistake that she made," Kushour, 30, told the Observer. "I was shocked at the sentence – it shows a very vivid and clear racism." The message from the judge, he says, was that "because you are an Arab and you didn't make that clear, we are going to punish you".

In his verdict, Judge Zvi Segal conceded that it was not "a classical rape by force". He added: "If she hadn't thought the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious romantic relationship, she would not have co-operated. The court is obliged to protect the public interest from sophisticated, smooth-tongued criminals who can deceive innocent victims at an unbearable price – the sanctity of their bodies and souls."

At his home in Sharafat, where he is confined while awaiting an appeal, Kushour tells a different story. The woman has not been identified and has not gone public with her account.

Kushour was buying cigarettes in September 2008 when an unexpected opportunity presented itself for a casual sexual encounter. "Any person in my shoes would have done the same thing," he says.

A woman in her 20s struck up a conversation as he left the shop to return to his job delivering legal papers around Jerusalem by scooter. "She said 'you have a nice bike' and other things which I don't remember." Within minutes, he says, he realised that her interest was not confined to small talk.

Kushour speaks fluent, unaccented Hebrew, as do many Palestinians living and working in Jerusalem. The woman asked his name and Kushour replied "Dudu" – a common Israeli name. "Since I was a kid everyone calls me Dudu – even my wife calls me Dudu. It's a nickname." At no point, he says, did the woman – who gave her name as Maya – ask if he was Jewish, although he has acknowledged that he said he was single.

The pair went to a small roof area in a nearby office block. "When we were having sex, she was worried that someone would see us, but she never told me to stop. She was more than willing – she initiated it."

It has been suggested that Kushour presented himself as a bachelor interested in a long-term relationship. If that had been Maya's concern, Kushour points out, she might have asked him more about his background. After the brief encounter, Kushour tapped Maya's mobile number into his phone and left. "I didn't treat her like garbage – this is what she wanted."

Unknown to him, Maya contacted the police after the encounter to lodge a complaint. Kushour says he doesn't know how or when she realised he was not Jewish. The woman was given a medical examination, presented in court, which showed, according to Kushour, no signs of force or injury.

Six weeks later Kushour was idly flicking through numbers in his mobile's address book. "I saw 'Maya' and I thought 'who is Maya?' I had already forgotten about her. I rang the number to see who it was, and then I realised it was the girl. I said 'Can I see you?' and we arranged to meet."

Maya didn't show up and didn't respond to Kushour's calls and texts. But, crucially, she now had a vital piece of information for the pursuit of her complaint – his contact details.

Three days later Kushour received a phone call from the police. "They told me I had a problem and to come to the police station." He was interrogated for five to six hours, without a lawyer.

In the final hour of questioning, the police began to mention a rape claim. Eventually Kushour was handcuffed and taken to a cell. Over three days the questioning continued. "This was the hardest moment of my entire life," says Kushour. "I didn't have a clue what they were going to do." On the third day, Kushour was taken to court – by this time represented by a lawyer found by his brother – and charged with rape. He spent the next two months in prison and since then has been electronically tagged and confined to his home. The case came to court last week. His lawyer has told him that, because of the publicity surrounding the case, the appeal may be expedited. In the meantime, says Kushour, "I can't leave the house, I can't work, I can't feed my children."

Kushour's conviction has transfixed Israel. Some see echoes of a primeval – and racist – instinct to protect "our" women against outside marauders. Others are outraged at what they see as a blatant injustice, pointing to a backdrop of widespread, systematic and – some say – growing discrimination against Arabs who make up 20% of Israel's population.

"This is a most amazing decision by the court," says Tamar Hermann of the Israel Democracy Institute. "Deception is one thing – but to be convicted of rape?" It has, she says, "struck a sensitive chord in the Israeli mainstream of Arabs pretending to be Jews."

The issue of identity is paramount in a land where both communities regard each other with suspicion and hostility.

Yuval Yonay, a sociology professor at Haifa University, in one of Israel's few mixed cities, says Kushour's behaviour "might be improper but it is not rape".

He says that in 16 years of teaching at a university where 20-25% of the student population is Arab, he has "never even heard of a mixed relationship". Discrimination against Arabs is, he says, evident at all levels.

Some have defended the verdict. "We all have different characteristics, and it is a person's right to have sexual relations with a person knowing the facts about those characteristics," Dana Pugach of the Noga Centre for Victims of Crime told the Israeli daily Haaretz.

Kushour says he has had a lot of support over the past week from Israeli Jews. "The problem is not with the people themselves, but those in power," he says. "I just want justice."

Whatever the outcome of his appeal, his brief encounter with Maya has turned his life upside down. His relationship with his wife has been severely tested. "I asked her last night to forgive me. She said yes, but I can see the pain and hurt in her eyes. " Saber Kushour: 'My conviction for "rape by deception" has ruined my life' | World news | The Observer

It always works out cheaper going with prostitutes !

Saber Kashour released from house arrest after 'rape by deception'
Israeli high court orders delay in deciding jail term for man who had consensual sex with woman who thought he was Jewis
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 4 August 2010 09.35 BST
The Palestinian man convicted of raping an Israeli woman who believed he was Jewish has been released from house arrest pending his appeal.

Saber Kashour, who was sentenced to 18 months in jail last month for "rape by deception", was free to leave his home for the first time for almost two years after Israel's high court yesterday ordered a delay in implementing the prison term.

Since being released from prison two months after being charged with rape, Kashour has worn an electronic tag on his ankle which set off an alarm if he strayed beyond a tight boundary around his home in East Jerusalem.

In granting Kashour's release, the court said the circumstances of the case were unusual. "The possibility should not be ruled out that a higher court may reduce the petitioner's sentence."

Kashour yesterday took his two children shopping in a Jerusalem mall.

The case has attracted global attention. Kashour and the woman had consensual sex within 15 minutes of meeting in a West Jerusalem street around midday. Kashour told the woman his name was Dudu, a common Israeli nickname, although one that Kashour has answered to since being a small child.

The woman later realised he was an Arab and went to the police.

In convicting him, the judges said: "If the woman had not believed that the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a significant romantic relationship, she would not have co-operated."

Kashour admits to having claimed he was single.

The petition against his conviction states that Kashour's conduct could be considered immoral, but it is not criminal.

Kashour claims to have had messages of support from around the world. Critics of the conviction said the case was an example of racism against Arabs in Israel, and that if it had been a Jewish man passing himself off as Arab a complaint would never have reached court.Saber Kashour released from house arrest after 'rape by deception' | World news | guardian.co.uk