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    So the question remains ... did they have it coming?

    I'm sure some TD members will argue they did.

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    This is part of what they want to achieve.

    I wouldn't worry about it.
    Plenty of hotels to choose from.

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    Woke up this morning and tuned in the "news". As usual both CNN and BBC were giving it full coverage and spouting out the most ridiculous speculation and rumor from their so called experts. Speculation ranged from who done it (AQ) to how many were killed (100s) to how many terrorists were involved (dozens maybe 100s). By ten this morning they reported the situation was under control. Well, surprise, surprise just tuned in again. Since this morning, all the numbers were overstated, who dun it is now being reported as Pakistan. As a side note, situation is far from under control as the Indian special forces are still in the midst of gun battles with the terrorists. Think I'll wait a couple of days to find out what really happened.
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    Who Are The Mumbai Terrorists?

    The murderous group behind terror attacks that have rocked Mumbai could have links to al Qaeda.


    They call themselves "Deccan Mujahideen" and, although previously unknown, their methods are in keeping with other Islamist terrorist organisations.


    Professor Paul Wilkinson, an expert on international terrorism from St Andrew's University, felt there was clear evidence the group aligns itself to al Qaeda.
    "The use of the word 'mujahideen' is significant because it means fighter for jihad - and that shows they see themselves as jihadis which is how al Qaeda see themselves," he said.
    Another key indication of the link is the fact western business people and tourists were targeted.
    "They made efforts to identify passport holders from the US and Britain, and this would suggest they have the same hatred as al Qaeda," professor Wilkinson added.
    Some said the group may be an off-shoot of the Indian Mujahideen or the Lashkar-e-Toiba.
    Both groups are banned and thought to be behind previous bomb attacks in India.
    But experts feel in some ways the name is irrelevant.
    Rani Singh, a South Asia analyst, said: "We shouldn't get side-tracked by the labels these groups use. Once one group is banned, another will spring up under another name."


    Like other groups, its members could come from all over the world and will have been trained in special camps possibly based in Afghanistan.
    The targets, all high-profile almost iconic buildings, appear to have been chosen for maximum impact.
    Also significant is the way the attacks were co-ordinated, which Ms Singh believes showed an unprecedented level of organisation.
    "The arsenal of weaponry used, the fact it's been so carefully thought out is significant," she said.
    "Previously in India you would have single targets and much more crude methods, maybe a bomb on a bicycle, but this is much more systematic."

    The timing may be crucial too. With Barack Obama heading for the White House in the New Year, the Islamic militant groups have probably been planning an attack for months.
    Ms Singh has been studying the groups for several years and believes, while the attacks were in India, they are a global problem.
    "I think that there are these kinds of groups incubating all over the world," she warned.
    "With a new president about to be inaugurated in the US, this is muscle-flexing on the part of the Islamist terror network."
    India may well have been targeted simply because it is an easier country to attack. Previous attempts to carry out attacks in the US and Britain have been foiled.
    But India's mountainous geography and volatile neighbouring countries make its borders harder to police.
    Ms Singh added: "It will be incredibly worrying for Indians. This is India's answer to the Twin Towers attacks."


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    Indian PM vows action on attacks

    Indian PM vows action on attacks

    India's Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has vowed to take "whatever measures are necessary" to track down those responsible for the Mumbai attacks.

    He said the perpetrators were based "outside the country" and India would not tolerate "neighbours" who provide a haven to militants targeting it.

    Gunmen targeted at least seven sites in Mumbai late on Wednesday, killing at least 101 people and injuring 300.

    At one hotel, dozens of people are said to remain trapped or held hostage.

    A home ministry official said between 20 and 30 people at the Oberoi-Trident might still be hostages, while the owners said some 200 people were trapped inside.

    Reports said police had taken seven people out of the hotel late on Thursday. Later, smoke was seen billowing from a room near the top of the building and gunfire could be heard.

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    Police earlier said hostages had been freed from another luxury hotel, the Taj Mahal Palace, but explosions and gunfire were still being heard by witnesses outside.

    A stand-off continues at a Jewish centre, where an Israeli rabbi and his family are believed to have been taken hostage.

    One militant reportedly phoned local TV from the centre offering to negotiate over the release of hostages.

    In other developments:
    • The Indian navy said it was searching ships off the west coast following reports that gunmen had arrived in Mumbai by boat
    • The UK Foreign Office said a British national had died in the attacks; a German, Japanese and Italian are also among the dead
    • The Pakistan-based group Lashkar-e-Toiba denied any role in the attacks
    In a televised address, Mr Singh said the government "will take whatever measures are necessary to ensure the safety and security of our citizens".
    He described the attacks as "well-planned and well-orchestrated... intended to create a sense of panic by choosing high profile targets and indiscriminately killing foreigners".
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    The perpetrators were "based outside the country", he said, adding that they "had come with single-minded determination to create havoc in the commercial capital of the country".

    India has complained in the past that attacks on its soil have been carried out by groups based in Pakistan, although relations between the two countries have improved in recent years and Pakistani leaders were swift to condemn the latest attacks.

    Amid international condemnation of the attacks, US President George W Bush telephoned Mr Singh to offer his condolences and support.

    Claim of responsibility

    In the attacks late on Wednesday night gunmen, using grenades and automatic weapons, targeted at least seven sites including the city's main commuter train station, a hospital and a restaurant popular with tourists.

    Police say 14 police officers, 81 Indian nationals and six foreigners have been killed.
    Four suspected terrorists have also been killed and nine arrested, they add.

    State police chief AN Roy earlier told local television that hostages held by the gunmen at the Taj Mahal Palace hotel - one of Mumbai's most famous hotels - had been freed.



    People escaping from the Taj Mahal Palace hotel

    Witnesses said civilians could be seen running from the hotel, some with suitcases. Ambulances were also reported to be arriving.

    But the BBC's Mark Dummett, outside the Taj Mahal, says the situation has since become very confused, with the sounds of explosions and gunfire being heard from within the hotel, suggesting the siege is not yet over.

    Earlier in the day, Indian commandos had been seen entering the hotels but there was little detail on the operation.

    Meanwhile, the bosses of the Oberoi-Trident hotel say some 200 guests may still trapped in their rooms.

    Earlier eyewitness reports from the hotels suggested the attackers were singling out British and American passport holders.

    If the reports are true, our security correspondent Frank Gardner says it implies an Islamist motive - attacks inspired or co-ordinated by al-Qaeda.

    A claim of responsibility has been made by a previously unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen. Our correspondent says it could be a hoax or assumed name for another group.


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    Mumbai: 3 top cops die on duty
    Three police officers, including chief of ATS Hemant Karkare, encounter specialist Vijay Salaskar and additional commissioner Ashok Kamte succumbed to their injuries in Wednesday's terror attack.
    The Times Of India Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:00:00 EST

    'Mumbai attack similar to Akshardham'
    The Gujarat Police on Thursday said the Mumbai terror strike was similar to the Akshardham Temple attack of 2002, and they are carrying out checks and searches as a precautionary measure.
    The Times Of India Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:00:00 EST

    Rs 5L to victims' kin: Maharashtra govt
    Maharashtra Deputy CM R R Patil has announced a compensation of Rs five lakh to the kin of those killed and Rs 50,000 for the injured in the serial terror attacks in Mumbai.
    The Times Of India Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:00:00 EST

    Operations against terrorists in final stage: Maha DGP
    Close to 24 hours after the audacious terror attacks, security forces were engaged in a grim battle to flush out terrorists holed up in two luxury hotels and a Jewish residential complex in Mumbai.
    The Indian Express Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:00:00 EST

    Mumbai under siege: A massive intelligence failure
    In the wake of massive intelligence failure on terrorist attack in Mumbai, PM Manmohan Singh pulled up NSA M K Narayanan and Intelligence and security heads.
    The Indian Express Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:00:00 EST

    Terrorists left before I reached terror sites: Patil
    Patil, who briefed the Cabinet on the situation in Mumbai, was giving details to media about his visit to the city after terrorists struck there.
    The Indian Express Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:00:00 EST

    Indian naval official will not rule out Somali pirates role
    A top Indian naval official has said that he would not rule out the role of Somali pirates in the terror strikes in Mumbai in view of the recent action by the Navy against the sea bandits in the Gulf of Aden.
    The Times Of India Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:00:00 EST

    US, UK, Australia advise nationals against travel to Mumbai
    In the wake of terror attacks in Mumbai, the US, Britain and Australia have advised its citizens to defer travel to India's commercial capital till further notice.
    The Times Of India Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:00:00 EST

    Nine foreign nationals killed in terror attacks in Mumbai
    Nine foreigners have been killed and eleven others injured in multiple terror attacks here, hospital sources said on Thursday.
    The Times Of India Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:00:00 EST

    Karkares response to a death threat: A 'smiley'
    The last days of Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad chief Hemant Karkare were probably some of the busiest in his 26-year career in the Indian Police Service, and apparently tormented as well.
    Expressindia.com Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:00:00 EST

    Terrorists highly-trained and motivated: Navy
    The elite Marcos Naval Commandos, which had confrontation with terrorists at Taj Hotel, said that terrorists are highly-motivated professionals.
    Expressindia.com Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:00:00 EST

    Mumbai attack: 101 killed, more than 250 hurt
    ATS chief Hemant Karkare, two senior police officers and 101 others were killed when terrorists struck with impunity in Mumbai in coordinated multiple blasts and gunfire in a dozen areas including at iconic landmarks VT railway station and two five star ho...
    Expressindia.com Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:00:00 EST


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    Quote Originally Posted by astasinim
    "The use of the word 'mujahideen' is significant because it means fighter for jihad - and that shows they see themselves as jihadis which is how al Qaeda see themselves," he said.
    Guess what - the term 'mujahideen' is not owned by AQ.

    Quote Originally Posted by astasinim
    Another key indication of the link is the fact western business people and tourists were targeted. "They made efforts to identify passport holders from the US and Britain, and this would suggest they have the same hatred as al Qaeda," professor Wilkinson added.
    This could simply be an indication of an Islamic solidarity against the nationalities responsible for invading Iraq, which is a theme well beyond AQ and affiliates.

    But yes, the level of coordination suggests that this is more than just another local (Deccan is an area of India) militant group.

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    ^Don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

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    There now saying that they have something to do with the Kashmiri rebels. Is there anyone else been missed off the list?

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    Attacks directed at India’s commercial heart

    Attacks directed at India’s commercial heart


    The attacks were directed squarely at India’s commercial heart, but most economists said that the damage on the economy and Mumbai’s role as a financial centre could well be short-lived.

    Several made the comparison with the September 11, 2001 attacks on the US and the subsequent bombings of London and Madrid, which did not inflict significant lasting damage on those cities’ roles as financial and commercial powerhouses. Yet economists stressed that containing the impact could require a similar clamp-down to that adopted by the US authorities following the attacks on New York.

    “There will be an inevitable short-term effect on risk perceptions, but if this terrible event provokes the authorities into a proper security response it could turn out to be the peak as far as the impact of terror attacks on India is concerned,” said Surjit Bhalla, head of Oxus, a hedge fund and investment research firm in New Delhi.

    The reaction of financial markets to the attacks was negative but not disastrous, though the full impact is not likely to be clear until stock, bond and commodity markets in Mumbai reopen after yesterday’s emergency closure. The offshore forward market for the Indian rupee yesterday weakened modestly against the dollar. Credit default swaps on the government-controlled State Bank of India widened by only around 3 per cent.

    Partly because it has resisted rapid financial liberalisation and free flows of capital, Mumbai still principally acts as a commercial hub for the Indian economy, not an international financial centre.

    Analysts said that there was limited direct competition between Mumbai and financial entrepots like Hong Kong and Singapore, which would struggle to steal India-related business. Shankar Acharya at the Indian Council for Research on International Economic Relations, a leading think-tank, said: “The city’s role as the financial centre for India will continue.”

    Still, any sustained rise in India’s political risk premium would be awkwardly timed. India’s economy is already struggling with a widening current account deficit and an outflow of foreign capital as a result of the global financial crisis. Foreign investors have already withdrawn an estimated $14bn from Indian equities this year, and the rupee has fallen by around 20 per cent against the dollar. “Short-term capital flows into India are already under pressure for a variety of reasons,” said Subir Gokarn, Asia-Pacific chief economist for Standard and Poor’s.

    The attacks were aimed at the rising number of foreign business executives visiting Mumbai. Liberalisation of key sectors has attracted multi-billion investment from the likes of Wal-Mart, the US retailer, and Vodafone, the UK-based telecoms giant. Many executives were in Mumbai when the attacks started, including Patrick Cescau, Unilever chief executive, and Paul Polman, chief executive-elect. The company said yesterday that they were safe.

    Global law and accountancy firms cannot set up offices in India, so they typically fly in and work out of a Mumbai hotel room for weeks on end. This month, Jamie Dimon, the chief executive of JP Morgan, opened the bank’s annual India conference at the Oberoi hotel, targeted by the attackers, while across town Nicholas Moore, chief executive of Macquarie Bank, was hosting a high-profile company event.

    Those visits are likely to be curtailed, at least in the medium term. Ranjit Shahani, Mumbai-based managing director of the Indian arm of Novartis, the Swiss pharmaceuticals group, said: “These well-planned attacks were clearly designed to strike at the heart of the country’s financial centre.”

    One Singapore-based investment banker, who declined to be named, said: “I was in the Oberoi this week and left 24 hours before this attack. This will smack the country hard. The tourism season is finished and it shows that you are not safe anywhere.”


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    Curious to wonder...would these tragic events in Mumbai be getting the overwhelming coverage {generally speaking} if there wasn't Westerners in great numbers involved?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiff View Post
    Guess what - the term 'mujahideen' is not owned by AQ.
    Won't matter when gang mentality takes over...The thought will be; a Muslim is a Muslim, regardless of whether they are moderates or radicals... As many of the terrorists have been identified as Pakistani, India knows where to focus their attention...

    Radical Muslims are intent on turning the rest of the world against them as a whole, regardless of religion or ethnicity...
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    It won't be long until some people from this Forum start to defend the action's of these Bast*rd's,and try and convince me that they are just misunderstood,poor little Fundamentalist who really did'nt mean to do any harm.it's funny but I really can't find any information anywhere,documenting the last time the Union of Catholic Mothers shot the shit out of a loud of innocent people,.I think attitudes of these people may change if they had been in one of the hotels in Mumbia,or in one of the Twin Towers,or indeed in London on July 7.Just because someone believes passionatly in something,it does not give them the right to kill others.the goverments of this world know where these pricks hangout so why don't they just eliminate all of them,and anyone connected with them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Issan Man
    Just because someone believes passionatly in something,it does not give them the right to kill others.
    Hear hear, now who is going to tell G W Bush and all the Americans that are killing people in Iraq due to them having *weapons of mass destruction* that they shouldn't be killing them over make believe stories.

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    "The Death Sentence", there are still many barbaric third world countries that impose the death sentence for certain crimes, America is one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Issan Man
    It won't be long until some people from this Forum start to defend the action's of these Bast*rd's,and try and convince me that they are just misunderstood,poor little Fundamentalist who really did'nt mean to do any harm.it's funny but I really can't find any information anywhere,documenting the last time the Union of Catholic Mothers shot the shit out of a loud of innocent people,.I think attitudes of these people may change if they had been in one of the hotels in Mumbia,or in one of the Twin Towers,or indeed in London on July 7.Just because someone believes passionatly in something,it does not give them the right to kill others.the goverments of this world know where these pricks hangout so why don't they just eliminate all of them,and anyone connected with them
    what ARE you on about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat
    So the question remains ... did they have it coming? I'm sure some TD members will argue they did.
    you are a cock sometimes tex.

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    Kingwilly,if you can't understand my post,then you really must be a thick as Shit.you must be this first Islamophile to reply,well done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin
    Curious to wonder...would these tragic events in Mumbai be getting the overwhelming coverage {generally speaking} if there wasn't Westerners in great numbers involved?
    Unlikely.

    India has been one of the world's hotspots for domestic terrorism for years - seperatist and Hindu motivated. It hardly gets a mention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat
    So the question remains ... did they have it coming? I'm sure some TD members will argue they did.
    you are a cock sometimes tex.
    Sometimes KW? You diplomatic charmer you..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Issan Man View Post
    It won't be long until some people from this Forum start to defend the action's of these Bast*rd's,and try and convince me that they are just misunderstood,poor little Fundamentalist who really did'nt mean to do any harm.it's funny but I really can't find any information anywhere,documenting the last time the Union of Catholic Mothers shot the shit out of a loud of innocent people,.I think attitudes of these people may change if they had been in one of the hotels in Mumbia,or in one of the Twin Towers,or indeed in London on July 7.Just because someone believes passionatly in something,it does not give them the right to kill others.the goverments of this world know where these pricks hangout so why don't they just eliminate all of them,and anyone connected with them
    BRAINWASHED.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly
    what ARE you on about?
    Reads as if he's got a 'special' issue and is hoping someone will pick up what he is projecting.

    Since you responded (with a question), you get his wrath against the "Islamophiles". LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by astasinim
    Is there anyone else been missed off the list?
    PAD are probably the guilty ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiff
    Since you responded (with a question), you get his wrath against the "Islamophiles". LOL
    Hostages Held At Mumbai... 28-11-2008 06:56 AM Issan Man First islamophile
    yup.

    its not that dick issanalex from ajarn is it? or is it that other dick Chris with the Ismalophobic blog?

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    Army takes control of Trident, 30 hostages freed
    In a successful operation, army has taken full control of Trident Oberoi with commandos freeing people trapped inside the hotel. At present, people are being evacuated in batches from the hotel with 30 hostages, majority foreigners, already rescued in the ...
    The Indian Express Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:21:43 +0530

    Mumbai on tenterhooks, awaits end to terror ordeal
    A tense Mumbai remained on tenterhooks on Friday as security forces gave a major push to end the long and bloody terror siege.
    The Indian Express Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:21:43 +0530

    125 dead, 327 injured in Mumbai attacks
    As many as 125 people, including 14 police personnel, have been killed in the Mumbai terror attacks, the Union Home Ministry said.
    The Indian Express Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:21:43 +0530

    Three Pakistani militants held in Mumbai: Reports
    Three of the militants who attacked Mumbai have confessed they are members of the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba group, a newspaper reported on Friday.
    The Times Of India Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:21:43 +0530


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