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    Velly interesting ................ bet that cost him a packet under the table. Or more likely he'll be delivering a submarine and some helicopters to a new client some time soon.

    Moving on ......... can someone please tell them where Thaky is holed up so they can bang a gong about getting ' satan ' extradited. They seek him here , they seek hime there ...... etc

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    Thailand refuse to extradite the "Lord of War" Victor Bout to the US.

    This is an interesting story-

    Thailand refuses to extradite 'Merchant of Death'

    Writer: AFPPublished: 11/08/2009 at 04:00 PM A Thai court on Tuesday rejected a request by the United States for the extradition of Viktor Bout, an alleged Russian arms dealer dubbed the "Merchant of Death".
    Alleged Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout, dubbed the "Merchant of Death", is seen sitting behind bars at a Bangkok court in May. A Thai court has rejected a request by the United States for the extradition of Bout.

    "The court has agreed to dismiss the case," judge Jitakorn Patanasiri said in a surprise decision that comes almost a year-and-a-half after Bout, 42, was arrested in a sting operation at a Bangkok hotel.
    “His guilt cannot be determined in Thailand,” said the judge.
    Bout, who is said to have inspired the Hollywood film "Lord of War" starring Nicolas Cage, was held on charges that he peddled weapons, including to Al-Qaeda, that were used in some of the world's most violent conflicts.
    The United States was "disappointed and mystified" by the court's decision, a senior US diplomat said,
    "We are disappointed and mystified by the court's ruling. We think the facts of the case are relevant to Thai laws," James Entwistle, the deputy chief of mission at the US embassy in Bangkok, told reporters.
    The court said that it did not have the authority to punish "actions done by foreigners against other foreigners in another country".
    Relate Search: viktor bout, russian, arms dealer, united states, court, extradition






    One of my friends was out shopping in Pattaya the other day, when he came back he told me the town was crawling with Russians!!

    Interestingly the Russian Government have brought pressure to bear on Thailand to refuse to extradite Victor Bout, maybe we here are witnessing signs of things to come with a shift in what powers Thailand will lend ears to when it comes to special requests, the US influence over Thailand are for sure weakened, which Thailands negative attitude towards Madam Clinton and her wishes regards Burma at the resent Asean meeting also was a clear indicator of.

    The Thai way, of always going with the money, no matter where they come from, seems alive and very well, the Russian tourists are streaming in to Thailand in a time where the western tourists have chosen to stay away, they are receiving the Russian Mafia thugs and internet criminals with open arms, and by refusing to extradite Victor Bout the Thai Government is showing that here in Thailand Russian tourists and criminals with their ill gotten gains, can enjoy the same protection from western justice, via Thai courts working much the same way as the bent corrupt courts back home in good old Russia.

    I especially like the Thai Judge arguing -" that Thailand did not have the authority to punish "actions done by foreigners against other foreigners in another country".

    While at the same time Thailand is begging almost every Country in the world to arrest Thaksin and extradite him back to Thailand

    Now if I was head of the US justice department I would know exactly who would get a lovely visa to stay indefinitely in the US, at the same time an apologetic email would go to Abbashit saying sorry but "actions done by foreigners (a Thai) against other foreigners (Thais) in a foreign Country (Thailand) is none of our business.

    And then I would sign it "Fuck you to"

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    Legally, I can't fault the decision.

    FARC is not recognised as a terrorist or criminal organisation in Thailand, so the supply or agreement to supply of arms to them is not a crime on Thai soil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr
    While at the same time Thailand is begging almost every Country in the world to arrest Thaksin and extradite him back to Thailand
    They've got buckleys chance.

    The decision seems to come down to this:-

    But, there was just one flaw. While America may view Farc as a terrorist organisation, Thailand does not.

    "The US charges are not applicable under Thai law. This is a political case," ruled Judge Jittakorn Wattanasin delivering the verdict at Bangkok's criminal court.

    "The Farc is fighting for a political cause and is not a criminal gang. Thailand does not recognise the Farc as a terrorist group. We will not extradite him to the United States."

    V for Viktor ... Bout defies US attempt to try him for gunrunning | World news | The Guardian

    Interesting His Nibs let slip "This is a political case". Well, it is. On legal grounds, I can't fault the decision. On moral, well I'd like to see every private arms dealer thrown in jail- including those that supply armed causes friendly to the US/ West.

    On political grounds however, that gets interesting. Given the notorious 'flexibility' that Thai courts excercise in interpreting the law, one wonders if the decision would have been the same before the Russian invasion of Thailand.

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    If he has committed no crime recognized by Thailand, why was he arrested in the first place?

    And I guess this ruling now means he must be freed.

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    He still has wasted a year of his life in a Thai jail for something that has proven to not be a criminal offense in Thailand.

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    Imagine you was a British citizen living in Saudi, you take 3 wives, the American government puts pressure on the Saudi government as they want you arrested because having 3 wives in America is illegal, where will it all end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    He still has wasted a year of his life in a Thai jail for something that has proven to not be a criminal offense in Thailand.
    Was it not the general understanding that he was basically being detained {held} for further legal actions by outside authorities....?? INTERPOL, Russians, Americans, or whomever wanted him.

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    The Thai laws were the same last year as they are this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Imagine you was a British citizen living in Saudi, you take 3 wives, the American government puts pressure on the Saudi government as they want you arrested because having 3 wives in America is illegal, where will it all end?

    Good question. Ask Howard Marks his opinion...

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    the judge was nobbled.

    this case has a long way to go yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    But, there was just one flaw. While America may view Farc as a terrorist organisation, Thailand does not.
    America labels anyone they disagree with as a "terrorist" anymore. It's becoming a much overused word.

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    is this the same america that welcomed and funded IRA scum in the 70's and 80's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robuzo
    He's a lawyer, trust ain't in it unless you are a client.
    Oi! Mrs Hat looks nothing like this guy . . . no beard.



    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    Legally, I can't fault the decision.
    That's because it was a politically motivated decision in the first place . . . nothing to do with legal principles

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    Wonder how Americans would feel if the UK targetted paddies in America with drones and took out a few innocents each time we bombed them....

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    One should do a bit of research on the FARC before passing judgment on this case and start bashing the USA, once again...

    While their grievance with the Colombian government may be touted as political, it is anything but... The FARC is a terrorist organization who kidnaps anyone that can pay a ransom and kills the rest... Colombia was the kidnapping capital of the world for some time, with over 3500 kidnappings in 2000...

    Kidnapping Statistics in Colombia & Latin America.

    The FARC are also the primary cocaine manufacturers / exporters now that the cartels have been erradicated... As the Colombian army began to make inroads into putting down the FARC with an equally evil group known as the ELN, the FARC have retreated into Venezuela and our good friend Hugo Chavez... Who by the way is making noise about going to war with Colombia...

    Relevance for this thread, none... Other than the Thais can't see beyond their nose when it comes to international affairs...
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    The IRA is or was a terrorist organisation that was welcomed in America and funded also by Americans.

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    He paid, now he is free.

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    ^I think if there had been an option of a bribe a year and a half ago we wouldn't be reading this story, what makes you think that that option has suddenly come up?

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    The US government did not fund the IRA... What possible motive would the US government have to support a terrorist organization against an ally???

    The IRA held fundraisers in the US to raise money for their cause from people of Irish descent... It's one thing for American people to support a cause and for the US government to do so, or do you have proof to the contrary???

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    I didn't mention government in my post, no idea why you are.

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    I would guess, the right time, the right judge and the right amount.

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    ^I would guess that he hasn't committed any criminal offenses under Thai law.

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    ^ I am not so sure that information about Chavez is factually correct judging from the news reports I have read. Chavez has got the shits with Columbia for allowing USA to set up military bases there and also because Columbia is accusing Venezuela of supplying arms and giving refuge to FARC, --- something Chavez denies. Chavez has stated he will impose trade sanctions on Columbia in reprisal for allowing the US to set up military bases in South America. Some other countries in the region are quite worried about the implications of US military bases there too.

    USAs military expansion into South America really has nothing to do with Thailand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    ^I would guess that he hasn't committed any criminal offenses under Thai law.
    Problem is that Thailand can lock you up for as long as they want be it "law" or not.

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