Didn't I just hear that airbus has just about wrapped up the chinese market?
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Didn't I just hear that airbus has just about wrapped up the chinese market?
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Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble
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Meanwhile, Boeing's desperate attempt to claw back some business with a plane that may well be superseded in a couple of year's time.
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Boeing Dream Comes True: Delivery Of New 787
11:48am UK, Monday September 26, 2011
After three years of delays costing billions of dollars, Boeing's 787 Dreamliner has become a reality as the US company gets set to deliver its first order to Japan's All Nippon Airlines.
With the formal documents signed, the first of the $200m (£129.4m) planes is scheduled to head for Tokyo on Tuesday.
The deal between the world's second biggest plane manufacturer and the ninth largest airline by revenues was initially due to see delivery in May 2008.
The US and Japanese financial markets are among those suffering amid concerns over the response to the euro debt crisis, with the Nikkei closing at its lowest level since April 2009.
The Dreamliner is made from a lightweight carbon-fibre composite which Boeing expects to become the standard for future designs.
The change will allow it to fly 52% further than the all-metal Boeing 767 while delivering 20% fuel savings according to the manufacturer.
At a time of volatile fuel prices the savings may appeal widely to airlines.
The mid-sized aircraft also boasts a more comfortable cabin environment for passengers with cleaner cabin air, higher humidity and larger windows with electronic shades.
https://teakdoor.com/images/smilies1/You_Rock_Emoticon.gif The 787's cabin atmosphere has been designed to reduce jetlag
Boeing currently has orders for 821 Dreamliners, and hopes to be manufacturing 10 per month by the end of 2013.
British Airways will take delivery of 24, Virgin has ordered 15 while Thomas Cook will take 11.
All Nippon Airways' first Dreamliner will take off from from Paine Field airport in Washington and is due to begin service on October 26.
In keeping with the rivalry between the US airplane manufacturer and Europe's Airbus, the Dreamliner will compete with the new A350 when it comes out in two years' time.
EasyJet founder Sir Stelios launches rival airline Fastjet - Telegraph
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"The move has reignited conflcit between Sir Stelios and easyJet which had eased after the low-cost airline returned £190m to shareholders last week that will net his family £71m. After the announcement of the dividend, Sir Stelios dropped a request for an extraordinary shareholder meeting to force non-executive Professor Rigas Doganis off the board.
However, today EasyJet said it had received notice from Sir Stelios of his plans for Fastjet and said it was ready to act should rights established under previous agreements between him and the airline be infringed. Sir Stellios has set up a website, Fastjet.com, which has this notice: "Festjet,.com by Stelios. Coming soon."
EasyJet said in a statement that Sir Stelios alleged that the airline has breached the terms of a binding comfort letter of October 10, 2010, and that that letter is no longer in force - claims which easyJet "emphatically rejects".
Under the agreement, easyJet said Stelios had agreed not to use his own name or a derivation of it to brand any other airline within Europe for five years.
Sir Stelios alleged in a statement that he: "Strongly believes that the directors of easyJet, via a smear campaign conducted by off the record briefings to journalists, have repeatedly breached the clause below, so he has terminated the effect of the letter for repudiatory breach and has rejected all payments offered under this letter since May 2011."
His family owns about 38pc of easyJet."
Fastjet.com, maybe easy access business class at a good price ?
Actor Leisha Hailey thrown off flight for kissing girlfriend Camila Grey | Television & radio | The Guardian
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"Celebrity airport arrests were once big, splashy affairs – Paul McCartney getting arrested in Japan for marijuana possession, or a frenzied Courtney Love flinging her underwear around Heathrow.
Now, the frustrations of air travel in the post 9/11 age have generated a different sort of friction – in which one person's idea of free expression seems to run smack into the airlines' definition of inexcusably bad behaviour.
Just ask Leisha Hailey, a musician and moderately well known television actor who was thrown off her flight in El Paso, Texas, this week after she kissed her girlfriend and bandmate, Camila Grey, in the seat next to her.
A cabin crew member, apparently responding to a passenger complaint, told Hailey that Southwest was a "family airline" and asked her to stop. By the time Hailey and Grey had stopped swearing and cursing, they were back in the airport, waiting for the next flight.
Southwest later insisted the problem was the abusive language, not the kiss. "The conversation escalated to a level that was better resolved on the ground, as opposed to in flight," it said.
After days of incensed reaction from Hailey, her friends and the lesbian and gay community, however, Southwest backtracked, saying it was offering a full refund for the flight and had "reached out to extend goodwill" – a form of words that fell just short of an outright apology.
Earlier this month, the lead singer of Green Day, Billie Joe Armstrong, was escorted off another Southwest flight in California because he refused to pull up his sagging trousers when asked. "Don't you have better things to do than worry about that?" he retorted. The flight attendant responded: "Pull your pants up or you're getting off the plane."
Armstrong complained, loudly, after he and his companion were taken back to the airport, and Southwest ended up apologising.
He was luckier than Deshon Marman, a college American football player who suffered his own baggy trouser incident on a US Airways flight in June. He ended up in handcuffs, under arrest and charged with trespassing, resisting arrest, and battery on a police officer. The charges were later dropped, and Marman is now suing the airline.
What these episodes have in common is that the affected passengers have all complained loudly and used their fan base to whip up outrage. Advocacy groups have also muscled in. The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation pointed out that Southwest is a corporate sponsor and urged everyone to do the right thing. A black advocacy group called Color of Change pointed to the different treatment handed out to Marman, who is black, and Armstrong, who is white, and said it was a clear instance of race discrimination.
"The vastly different treatment of these two passengers underscores the need for greater oversight and training by the airlines," the organisation's executive director Rashad Robinson said.
The airlines, in turn, appear to be running scared from the negative publicity. Kevin Smith, the film director, has not stopped making hay over an incident in February last year when Southwest threw him off a flight, supposedly because he was too fat. Southwest, once again, offered "heartfelt apologies" but also said he had been removed "for the safety and comfort of all customers"."
Training of staff recognised as an area for improvement, The "Fat" police are already at work in the US.
Seems only the heterosexual "family" is recognised by SouthWest.
I wouldn't mind a couple of carpet munchers going at it in my cabin, providing they were lookers.
Cabin in the woods eh Harry?:)Quote:
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Er, what?Quote:
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It was a weak attempt at humor. You said cabin in the woods! Much better to be alone in a cabin in the woods with a couple of goers than in a ryan air cabin!
I didn't mention any woods. Been drinking again?Quote:
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Qantas and Airbus agree largest plane order in Australian history - Telegraph
"The deal is worth $9.5bn (£6.2bn) for 78 A320neos and 32 A320s, which will be used to help Qantas expand its short-haul business in Asia. It confirms the popularity of the A320neo for Airbus, an upgrade from the single-aisle A320 which burns 15pc less fuel than its predecessor.The plane has helped to ensure Airbus has delivered more planes and taken more orders this year than its bitter rival Boeing.
The European manufacturer won 1,038 net aircraft orders in the first nine months of the year, including 918 neos, compared with 426 net orders for Boeing.
The engines for the A320neo are produced by Pratt & Whitney and CFM International, a joint venture between General Electric and Snecma. Rolls-Royce decided against investing in the Airbus upgrade of the A320, which is the world's best-selling aircraft family with more than 7,900 worldwide orders.
It was a Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engine that exploded last year on a Qantas A380 plane, which grounded the Australian company's fleet of long-haul aircraft while investigations into the incident took place.
However, Alan Joyce, the chief executive of Qantas, who is locked in an employment battle with trade unions, has praised the "outstanding operational efficiency and comfort" of the Airbus A320. He said: "The Airbus A320 will be the launch aircraft for Qantas' new premium airline based in Asia and will support Jetstar's expansion plans – including the establishment of Jetstar Japan." The Airbus chief operating officer, John Leahy, said: "Coming from one of the world's great aviation pioneering companies, this order is a great endorsement of Airbus and of our eco-efficient aircraft products."
At a press conference in Sydney to confirm the Qantas order, Airbus bosses also said they could provide financing for airlines to acquire planes "if necessary" amid global economic uncertainty."
ANA pilot nearly flips Boeing 737 by hitting wrong button - chicagotribune.com
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"In a chilling reminder of how a simple human error can override the highest of high technology, an investigation has shown that All Nippon Airways Co. narrowly escaped a catastrophe earlier this month when its plane almost flipped over after a co-pilot hit the wrong button while trying to open the cockpit door for the plane's captain, returning from the restroom.
The revelation came at an awkward time for the Japanese carrier, just hours after the first of the new-generation Boeing Co. 787 Dreamliner jets on which it has built its future strategy finally landed in Tokyo on Wednesday, more than three years behind schedule.
The celebratory mood was quickly over as Shin Nagase, a senior executive vice president at ANA, apologized and bowed deeply in front of TV cameras at a news conference to apologize for the trouble caused by the incident, which took place Sept. 6.
According to the Japan Transport Safety Board, two flight attendants were slightly hurt when the Boeing 737-700, with 117 people aboard, tipped more than 130 degrees to the left at one point and dived about 1,900 meters in 30 seconds during a flight from Naha on the southern island of Okinawa to Tokyo. Two flight attendants were slightly injured and six passengers became airsick or reported neck pains.
ANA said a 38-year-old co-pilot likely hit the rudder trim controls by mistake instead of pushing the door unlock button to let the captain in after he stepped out of the cockpit to go to the restroom.
Computer graphic images compiled by the safety board showed the plane turning almost upside down, but many passengers on board apparently did not realize the gravity of the situation, since it was already dark outside when the incident occurred at around 10:50 pm.
The safety board will continue the investigation, while a company spokeswoman said ANA will take preventative measures to make sure that pilots do a double-check on where the controls are located as they leave and return to the cockpit. The company said it will also try to improve its reporting lines, admitting that officials were not aware of the incident until the following day."
Interesting choice of button position by Boeing.
"Don't you have better things to do than worry about that?" he retorted. The flight attendant responded: "Pull your pants up or you're getting off the plane."
I would love to see some of the US carriers pay out some serious money for the abusive conduct by their trolly dollies, who seem to be little nothings who have been given too much power in the post-9/11 panic. That cop on the beat attitude is why I will fly any Asian carrier over any US carrier.
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Originally Posted by harrybarracudaI didn't mention any woods. Been drinking again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble
well you fucking should have done
what's your problem?
more like "trolly slags" most of themQuote:
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That's a 'hands down' answer!Quote:
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Singapore Airlines (SIA) plans to launch its long-haul budget carrier in April with inflight Internet access among the attractions, a report said Tuesday.
SIA had no immediate comment on the details of the Straits Times story, which said the unit could be called Scoot Airlines.
The newspaper said the airline will start off with just one Boeing 777-200 before increasing its fleet to four aircraft within three months and 14 planes by mid-2016.
The firm is expected to serve destinations in Europe, the United States, Australia and New Zealand, it added.
Citing information from internal documents obtained by the newspaper, the Straits Times said SIA plans to charge passengers for using wi-fi services to access the Internet via laptops, tablet computers and smartphones.
It also said the airline was considering the feasibility of renting out portable devices for inflight entertainment.
Singapore Airlines budget arm 'to launch in April' - Yahoo!
Anybody seen reports on JETSTAR desk crews unions refusing to collect excess luggage fees on Friday?
'Damn it, we're going to crash, it can't be true!': Terrified final words of pilot on doomed Air France jet
By Peter Allen
Last updated at 1:22 PM on 13th October 2011
The final words of three terrified pilots on board an Air France jet which crashed into the Atlantic Ocean have emerged today for the first time.
In a scandal which is set to shock all those who work or travel on commercial flights, they reveal absolute panic and ignorance among those in charge of the aircraft.
The exchange is from the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) on Flight 447, which went down in a tropical storm with the loss of 228 lives while flying from Rio de Janeiro to Paris in June 2009.
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2011/10/1371.jpg Wreckage: Brazil Navy sailor recover debris from Air France flight 447. A new book on the crash has revealed pilots panicked as the plane lost altitude
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Doomed: Flight captain Marc Dubois, left, was not in the cockpit when the plane stalled. Right, Pierre-Cedric Bonin said he had lost control of the aircraft
'Damn-it! We're going to crash. It can't be true,' says one of the pilots.
'But, what's happening?' another replies, seconds before the Airbus 330 plunged into the water, killing everyone on board including five Britons and three Irish doctors.
Until now only selected excerpts from the conversation between 37-year-old David Robert, Pierre-Cedric Bonin, 32, and Marc Dubois, the 58-year-old captain of the plane, have been released.
Air accident investigators kept the rest hidden, saying they did not want to upset families of the pilots lost in the worst crash in the company's history.
But Jean-Pierre Otelli, a veteran French flying instructor, has now written a book in which he lays the dramatic moments bare.
Rio-Paris Crash: A Collection of Pilot Errors describes how the men failed to deal with a loss of lift.
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2011/10/1374.jpg Inexperience? One of the plane's flight data recorders on the ocean bed. Recordings made in the cockpit have revealed the two co-pilots were too panicked to tell the captain what was happening
Mr Dubois, who had 11,000 flying hours behind him, was on a routine break when it happened, leaving his two subordinates in charge.
'So, is he coming?' Mr Robert is heard muttering, even swearing in frustration when Mr Dubois takes a full minute to get back to the cockpit.
'Hey, what are you...' Mr Dubois is heard to say when he gets back, to which Mr Robert replies: 'What's happening? I don't know, I don't know what's happening.'
Instead of lowering the plane's nose to deal with the stall - as they should have done according to normal procedures - they raised it.
Mr Bonin is heard saying: 'I've got a problem I don't have vertical speed. I don't have any indication,' before his captain replies: 'I don't know, but right now we're descending.'
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2011/10/1375.jpg Disaster: The aircraft was in an aerodynamic stall, but the pilots failed to push the nose down to correct it
Air France argues that the pilots were baffled by numerous confusing signals from the Airbus, while the plane manufacturer insists that it was responding properly.
As the plane approaches the sea, the crew began conversing in short, panicked questions.
THE FINAL MOMENTS
David Robert: 'Go back up!… Go back up!… Go back up!… Go back up!'
Pierre-Cedric Bonin: 'But I've been going down at maximum level for a while.'
Marc Dubois: 'No, No, No!… Don't go up!… No, No!'
Mr Dubois: 'Damn-it! We're going to crash. It can't be true!'
Mr Bonin: 'But what's happened?!'
'What do you think? What do you think? What should we do?' said Mr Robert, while the plane rocked from side-to-side.
'I don't have control of the plane, I don't have control of the plane at all,' Mr Bonin replied, as a stall alarm resounded for the sixth time in two minutes.
According to an official report released earlier this year, the last words were from Captain Dubois who said: 'Ten degrees pitch.'
Mr Otellis writes: 'The real question is who will be held responsible for this mess.
'It is a training problem, fatigue, lack of sleep, or is it due to the fact the pilots are confident than an Airbus can make up for all errors?'
France's air accident investigation unit, the BEA, reacted angrily to the publication of the book, with a spokesman saying printing the conversation showed a 'lack of respect to the memory of the crew who died'.
Air France has denied that its pilots were incompetent, but has since improved training, concentrating on how to fly a plane manually when there is a stall.
Both Air France and Airbus are facing manslaughter charges, with a judicial investigation led by Paris judges under way.
A judge has already ordered Air France to pay some £120,000 in compensation to the families of each victim, but this is just a provisional figure which is likely to multiply many times over.
Rolls-Royce agrees US engine tie-up - Telegraph
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"United Technologies, Pratt & Whitney's parent company, and Rolls Royce will form a joint venture aimed at supplying engines to planes that seat between 120 and 230 passengers.
It is one of the fastest-growing parts of the commercial aircraft market, and Rolls-Royce said around 20,000 such planes are forecast to be built over the next 20 years.
The agreement "charts a clear course for the future of Rolls-Royce in the important mid-sized aircraft segment", said Mark King, head of civil aerospace at Rolls-Royce.
Alongside the new joint venture, Pratt & Whitney will also pay Rolls-Royce $1.5bn (£953,000) to buy out the British company's stake in an existing joint venture the two have to make the V2500 engine for the Airbus A320 passenger plane.
However, the arrangement could be worth several billion dollars more to Rolls-Royce because the UK manufacturer will receive a payment for each hour flown by planes currently using the V2500.
Rolls-Royce said that the restructuring of its arrangements with Pratt & Whitney will add about £140m of operating profits in the first year.
"Overall the majority of the value to Rolls-Royce will be derived from flight hour payments due over the next 15 years," the company said last night.
Todd Kallman, who runs Pratt & Whitney's civil aerospace business, said: "We look forward to the next generation of aircraft engines that will offer even greater operational and environmental benefits."
Shares in Rolls-Royce closed 0.2pc stronger in London at 626p."
Yes, I noticed that RR are not supplying engines for the A320 NEO.
Surprising. Although maybe the A380 debacle has left Airbus a bit nervous.
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Whats terrifying about the tie up its good business for RR & P&W, have a look see how many engines that RR are putting on the Airbus A-350? Its the engine of choice..
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