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Pilots at the controls of the Boeing Co. 737 MAX that crashed in March in Ethiopia initially followed emergency procedures laid out by the plane maker but still failed to recover control of the jet, according to people briefed on the probe’s preliminary findings.

After turning off a flight-control system that was automatically pushing down the plane’s nose shortly after takeoff March 10, these people said, the crew couldn’t get the aircraft to climb and ended up turning it back on and relying on other steps before the final plunge killed all 157 people on board.

The sequence of events, still subject to further evaluation by investigators, calls into question assertions by Boeing BA, -1.11% and the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration over the past five months that by simply following established procedures to turn off the suspect stall-prevention feature, called MCAS, pilots could overcome a misfire of the system and avoid ending in a crash.

The pilots on Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 initially reacted to the emergency by shutting off power to electric motors driven by the automated system, these people said, but then appear to have re-engaged the system to cope with a persistent steep nose-down angle. It wasn’t immediately clear why the pilots turned the automated system back on instead of continuing to follow Boeing’s standard emergency checklist, but government and industry officials said the likely reason would have been because manual controls to raise the nose didn’t achieve the desired results.

After first cranking a manual wheel in the cockpit that controls the same movable surfaces on the plane’s tail that MCAS had affected, the pilots turned electric power back on, one of these people said. They began to use electric switches to try to raise the plane’s nose, according to these people. But the electric power also reactivated MCAS, allowing it to continue its strong downward commands, the people said.

An expanded version of this report appears on WSJ.com

The Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX, which crashed in March and killed 157 people, suffered a damaged angle-of-attack sensor upon takeoff from a bird or foreign object, triggering erroneous data and the activation an anti-stall system -- called MCAS -- sending the pitch of the plane downward and ultimately crashing into the ground, two aviation sources familiar with the investigation told ABC News.


As the jet was nose diving, the Boeing 737 MAX pilots did not try to electronically pull the nose of the plane up before following Boeing's emergency procedures of disengaging power to the horizontal stabilizer on the rear of the aircraft, according to the sources.

One source told ABC News that they manually attempted to bring the nose of the plane back up by using the trim wheel. Soon after, the pilots restored power to the horizontal stabilizer.

With power restored, the MCAS was re-engaged, the sources said, and the pilots were unable to regain control and the plane crashed.


The preliminary findings in the crash investigation are expected to be released by transportation officials in Ethiopia on Thursday morning.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/damaged-sensor-ethiopian-airlines-737-max-triggered-fatal/story?id=62139860

After a report on the fatal crash of Ethiopian Airlines blamed a 737 MAX software error, Boeing reportedly revealed a second glitch. The “relatively minor” but still critical problem will delay 737s returning to service.


In a report on last month’s crash that killed all 157 on board of the ill-fated airliner, Ethiopia blamed Boeing’s MCAS software that caused the jet to nosedive. On Thursday, Boeing confirmed to the Washington Post that it had found another software problem.


The problem affects flaps and other flight stabilization hardware, according to two unnamed Federal Aviation Administration officials cited by the Post. The FAA has classified it as critical to flight safety and ordered a fix. It will take weeks for the problem to be patched, meaning that the 737 Max fleet will remain grounded for the foreseeable future
Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 plunged into a field shortly after takeoff in early March. Indonesian Lion Air Flight 610 nosedived into the sea last October, killing all 189 passengers and crew. Investigators noted “clear similarities” between both accidents.


On Thursday, Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg offered condolences for “lives lost” and said the company was “relentlessly focused on safety to ensure tragedies like this never happen again.”

The Ethiopian government report said the crew of Flight 302 “had performed all the procedures, repeatedly, provided by [Boeing], but was not able to control the aircraft.”

https://www.rt.com/news/455598-boeing-737-new-software-problem/

A lawyer who spat at a flight attendant during a racist foul-mouthed tiradeafter she was refused alcohol on a nine-hour business class flight has been jailed for six months.

Judge Nicholas Wood, sentencing at Isleworth Crown Court, told Simone Burns: “The experience of a drunk and irrational person in the confines of an aircraft is frightening, not least on a long-haul flight and poses a potential risk to safety.”

The judge noted that “such offences are often committed by people of impeccable character.

Although the aircraft was not at risk by Burns’s behaviour, the judge said “for the luckless and unfortunate passengers and crew there is no escape at 30,000ft”.

He added that “spitting straight into a crew member’s face at close range is a particularly insulting and upsetting act”.

Burns, of First Avenue, Hove, sat quietly in the dock as she was sentenced to six months for being drunk on an aircraft and two months for assault.

The sentences are to be served concurrently after she previously pleaded guilty to the charges.

https://news.yahoo.com/jailed-lawyer-spat-flight-attendant-racist-rant-denied-wine-business-class-155036187.html

Yea, Sussex girls spit, but, they also suck, sooooo sweetly.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Yea, Sussex girls spit, but, they also suck, sooooo sweetly.

She's a pikey you fucking moron.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Burns, of First Avenue, Hove,

Hove is in the county of East Sussex

Chick-Fil-A Crisis: Banned From Another Airport Over Anti-LGBTQ Claims


Chick-Fil-A has been banned from opening a location at the Buffalo Niagara International Airport (BNIA) after a New York politician attacked the fast-food chain for discriminating against the LGBTQ community, reported The Daily Signal.

New York State Assemblyman Sean Ryan applauded the decision by the Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority (NFTA) and Delaware North to immediately halt all projects associated with bringing Chick-fil-A to BNIA.

"I was disappointed to learn of the NFTA’s decision to introduce Chick-fil-A as a restaurant option at the Buffalo-Niagara International Airport. Chick-fil-A has a long history of supporting and funding anti-LGBTQ organizations," Ryan said in a Facebook post last week.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...i-lgbtq-claims

Originally Posted by OhOh

Hove is in the county of East Sussex

So in your imaginary world, no-one ever lives away from home.


Ooooooo Kkkkkkk.

Good analysis and comments regarding the recent Boing Boing 737MAX crash here:

Bjorn’s Corner: ET302 crash report, the first analysis

https://leehamnews.com/2019/04/05/bj...irst-analysis/




Probably 80/20 Boing Boing to Pilot caused crash by commentators, 95/5 by the ex-aircrash investigator, analyst.

Have you ever noticed HoHo's waffling goes up significantly when he's been exposed (again) for his complete ignorance?

Oops.

^We are exceptional...

Originally Posted by Cujo

A good read here about what's going on in Trumps deregulated U.S.
America first nationalism, indulgent free market economics, Republican libertarianism and a political system in hock to corporate lobbying has just contributed to killing 356 innocent people. The more we know about the crashes of Boeing 737 Max 8 planes in Indonesia and Ethiopia – after anti-stalling devices locked both aircraft into unrecoverable nose-dives – the more shocking the story becomes.

It is not just Boeing, a once magnificent company, that is being condemned – it is the US’s wider economic, political and regulatory structures. What is not required is a short-term software fix on the faulty MCAS system that automatically adjusts the plane’s flight trajectory, along with an improved safety manual and training for pilots, which is Boeing’s response so far. What is needed is a root-and-branch overhaul of the intersection between capitalism and democracy in the US. The current set-up – and the accompanying libertarian, anti-state, anti-regulation philosophy – literally kills people.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...porate-america

Republicans hate regulation. It stops them trousering cash.

That's why they rolled back Dodd-Frank.

more mba's are needed

They knew it 4 years ago

Boeing 787 Broken Dreams

"We're not building them to fly we're building them to sell... You know what I'm sayin'? " (49:51)

Al Jazeera documentary

Published on Dec 9, 2015

This is a major project by the Al Jazeera Investigative Unit focusing on the 787 “Dreamliner”, the flagship passenger jet of the Boeing Company.

Our journalism reveals the deeply-held safety concerns of current and former Boeing engineers, who in some cases fear to fly on the 787, the plane they build.

We uncover allegations of on-the-job drug use, quality control problems and poor workmanship.

We explore the roots of the battery problems that led to the plane’s grounding due to safety concerns for three months from January 2013.

I presume the angle of airflow devices fitted to all Boeing's planes are the same design?

Originally Posted by OhOh

I presume the angle of airflow devices fitted to all Boeing's planes are the same design?

"Angle of airflow"
Why would you assume that?

Originally Posted by Cujo

"Angle of airflow"
Why would you assume that?

Because he tries to pretend he actually knows shit rather than just reads it on the interwebs without understanding it.

Originally Posted by Cujo

Why would you assume that?

One suspects the use of the same device over all Boing Boing models would reduce costs, ensure availability around the world, ensure maintenance procedures for testing and replacement are common.

^ I can't think of another Boeing civil that needs an aoa sensor, other than possibly the 777, which is fbw.

Any sensor going into FCC should be triplex. It's safety critical analysis rule 101.

Originally Posted by Troy

^ I can't think of another Boeing civil that needs an aoa sensor, other than possibly the 777, which is fbw.

Let's face it, the Max is a fucking deathtrap.

Someone should be going to jail.