I wouldn’t say widespread no. You’re talking rugby supporters who are a minority whatever way it’s cut.Originally Posted by helge
See Chico’s posts, he seems to get it.
I wouldn’t say widespread no. You’re talking rugby supporters who are a minority whatever way it’s cut.Originally Posted by helge
See Chico’s posts, he seems to get it.
He's upset at himself for that now
Because he makes his position quite clear, I was hoping David wouldn't be part of that group
Yes . . . in history class. Considering it was actually considered his own land, not a colony
Aussie history in school is just Brit history and all the anzac crap . . . not even Aboriginal history
Absolutely
Defo are!Originally Posted by Panama hat
It’s the national sport and all but realistically it’s only a small yet vocal minority.
There are only 150,000 registered players which is less than even Aust has (though that’s a per capita thing obviously)
Early eighties wasn't it?
Even in the UK and with no interest in Rugby (or keeping people oppressed ) I was aware of huge and frequent demonstrations in NZ against the tour.
Admittedly you might have been observing events in NZ in the early eighties more closely where you were, though.
Remind me to red Chico
He is doing the 'Rope a Dope'
Why was it that the African countries boycotted the 1976 Olympics ?
NZ racisme ?
Or was it to give John Walker a shot at the 1500 meter without competition ?
David has a lot of reading up to do
Stadiums in NZ at that time probably held 30-40,000 at a guess.Originally Posted by helge
If that’s your representative sample for 4.5m people then you don’t have much of a case.
In Hamilton the protesters occupying the pitch had chanted, ‘The whole world is watching’. The same applied to New Zealand as a nation. Some believed the tour was an opportunity to address the issue of racism in New Zealand while showing solidarity with the oppressed black majority in South Africa.
The anti-apartheid movement in South Africa was buoyed by events in New Zealand. Nelson Mandela recalled that when he was in his prison cell on Robben Island and heard that the game in Hamilton had been cancelled, it was as ‘if the sun had come out’.
Some back home in New Zealand maintained that how South Africans ran their country was none of our business and criticised the anti-tour movement for being run by ‘perennial protesters’ and ‘rent-a-mob’ demonstrators interested only in fighting the police. These people tried to mask, or at least minimise, the long-term impact of the tour and the questions it posed for New Zealand society.
The whole world was watching
And this... there is undoubtedly racism in NZ to an unacceptable level but if you’re trying to portray NZ as an inherently racist country because of a misguided rugby tour then you’re barking up the wrong tree.Originally Posted by helge
Did you know that the All Blacks were idolized by Blacks and Colored people in SA at the time because they included players of color. The NZRU was wrong in a lot of their actions regarding SA rugby but it wasn’t racially motivated in the slightest.
Maybe Dave’s not the only one with some required reading.
Probably a bit of both I'd say though more the latter. Some naivety from the NZRU in underestimating the breadth and depth of feeling also.Originally Posted by helge
I do remember there were also the notions floated that sports should be separate from politics and that actually exposing SA to a multi-cultural / racial society would somehow benefit -- both were pretty convenient excuses really I think.
I stand by that though, your initial comment that "At the time when S Africa was boycotted by most of the world, Aus and NZ, still couldn't see the problem" just isn't correct.Originally Posted by helge
The fact there was massive social upheaval in NZ over it shows that.
Oi you lot!
I didn't reply at the time because I thought it might been taken out of context but ...
When the Springboks street protests were on I asked my Dad if I could join then because I felt strongly on the issue, the racial inequality in SA as I perceived it back then. (Dad and I often went to the Footy, but we watched League, not Union)
He said emphatically, NO, which was probably a good thing at the time.
One of my School mate's Dad was a Cop.
We discussed the protests and asked if his Dad was involved?
Yep, he's off today to Dirty his jack boots (think Doc Martins) on the irresponsible groins of young teenagers.
That quote, to this day, stays with me.
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It's the usual excuse, and then again. Where exactly do we draw the line ?
In Qatar scores of underpaid workers dies building their infrastructure and stadions. Scandalous
Olympics in Beijing, South Korea wasn't a pretty place in 88, Football being outsourced to Saudi etc etc
And it is about the money
This was good:
Some hypocrazy there too, but was part of my "awokening"
Read, David
Finally, a sensitive, new age statue reflecting the values of the Woke generation. That one can stay put.
No matter what statue is on public display, someone will be offended.
Take em all down and put in museums. That way folks can go into museum they choose to study, learn about the history they are interested in.
It's kinda bemusing just how much you are determined to be an utter dick about all of this.Originally Posted by sabang
Have you at least educated and corrected yourself on the subject of the OP that got your panties so twisted to begin with or no interest in anything beyond being a triggered, entitled, Boomer.
His bloodline and descendants are still doing pretty well.. "Saxe-Coburg / Gotha". Changed to "Windsor" during the WW1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_...burg_and_GothaThe House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (/ˌsæks ˌkoʊbɜːrɡ ... ˈɡoʊθə, -tə/;[1] German: Haus Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha) is a German dynasty that ruled Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, one of the Ernestine duchies.
Founded by Ernest Anton, the sixth duke of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld, it is a cadet branch of the Saxon House of Wettin. Agnatic branches currently reign in Belgium—the descendants of Leopold I—and in the United Kingdom—the descendants of Albert, Prince Consort. In 1917, the First World War caused George V to change from "Saxe-Coburg and Gotha" to the House of Windsor in the United Kingdom.[2] German bombers were called "Gothas", in reference to their manufacturer, Gothaer Waggonfabrik.[3] In Belgium, after the World War in 1920, the name was unofficially changed to "de Belgique" (French), "van België" (Dutch) or "von Belgien" (German), meaning "of Belgium".
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