Thread: F.B.I. to Investigate Arrest of Black Man Who Died During Arrest

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

"People are losing more and more their psychological barrier or inhibition or call it whatever you want."

It's unfortunate but true...they are heading down towards the lowest common denominator. And as in life, so here on TD.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Because the answers to the 'questions' you are asking are so blatantly obvious and easy to find for yourself that it's hard to believe you: a) haven't bothered checking yourself

I genuinely have not checked but I suspect that relative police shooting rates will correlate more closely with relative incarceration rates than with the general population representation.

If skewed incarceration rates are not racist then why must skewed shooting rates be racist?

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

b) aren't trolling; c) and it's allowed to stand whilst responses to it are apparently disappearing.

You are asserting that the US police are racist and need to be reformed based on the 'feeling' you get from the number of stories you read in the press. That is the availability heuristic at work. It is the reason people are scared of sharks when they go swimming at the beach even though sharks are statistically extremely unlikely to attack them.

I am merely asking whether that assertion of racism is true and trying to find metrics we can agree on that would confirm or deny the assertion.

I find the suggestion that I must be trolling and that my question should be moderated to be a worrying aspect of modern left wing politics. When you want voices that merely question your politics to be shut down then your politics are becoming dogma.

There is certainly a problem with US police violence, since statistics show that US police shoot and injure people at a higher rate than other police forces, but I don't believe there is clear evidence that the violence is racist. I am not saying it isn't but I don't believe we have seen actual evidence that it is either.

Originally Posted by Looper

I genuinely have not checked but I suspect that.....

.... "I'm going to keep waffling and pretend the statistics match the opinion I've already decided without any quantifiable evidence".

Originally Posted by Looper

I genuinely have not checked

And that's the problem.

Originally Posted by Looper

I find the suggestion that I must be trolling and that my question should be moderated to be a worrying aspect of modern left wing politics.

Calm down princess and save the melodrama.

Post whatever the fuck you want nobody is trying to stop you. I had simply credited you with more intelligence.

Why the fuck do White dudes have to insert themselves as the 'real' victims of everything.

Oh Gawd- both AFL (aussie rules) teams for the resume of season match have run on field and warmed up wearing black (Black?) tops, and then taken the knee prior to kick off. Colin Kaepernick matters. This is getting like, pass the bucket

You've not heard of aboriginal mistreatment by police, systemic racism? Aboriginal deaths in custody?

All of the above, and of course the demonstrations. But it's become a media circus.

Originally Posted by sabang

All of the above, and of course the demonstrations. But it's become a media circus.

Ok boomer.

Originally Posted by sabang

Why do so many US police forces send their cops to Israel for training?

https://israelpalestinenews.org/minn...eck-restraint/

Originally Posted by sabang

All of the above, and of course the demonstrations. But it's become a media circus.

Well yeah. But really your discomfort with others demanding equal rights / treatment / equality while watching some sport is utterly trivial in the grand scheme of things.

If that's bothering you more than systemic injustice then it's your priorities that are the problem.

systemic injustice

Speaking of which...

^Jeezuz! Seems like indigenous people should be careful about putting themselves into situations where they'll end up in prison or police custody.

Nicked that from here:



Ole mate has just recounted one story of a guy who was basically left to cook to death in the back of a divvy van.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

We can bitch about cops all we want and of course their are some rotten apples. But pleeeeeeeeeze lets not forget one thing you Mary Poppins of this world:

"People are loosing more and more their psychological barrier or inhibition or call it whatever you want."

Blame it on TV the internet social inequality or whatever.
I certainly don't want to be a policeman or wish that my kids take up this job. Their are just too many nuts and fruits running around out there. Some are sitting even up in higher places

Do you come with a translator?

Originally Posted by TheRealKW

Do you come with a translator?

Are you still trying to be a third world teacher?

Some sober and sensible analysis of the actual numbers from the veteran genius that is Sam Harris (audio only).



Very long at 1 hour 42 but worth every minute I would say.

The first 42 minutes are a kind of political preamble before he dives into the numbers so you could skip that if you want but I would recommend listening to the whole thing.

In summary the numbers are basically (from memory as I have only listened to the podcast once):-

60 million police interactions with the public per year
10 million of those lead to arrests
1000 of those lead to fatalities
50% of those fatalities are white
25% are black

Taking into account the skew in violent black on black shootings in black suburbs there is very little evidence that the police violence has any significant racist skew

Also black and hispanic cops are much more likely to shoot/kill black/hispanic civilians than white cops are, which suggests that there is actually a positive discrimination bias in favour of white cops going easy on black people.

Tragic that society has to be brought to a catastrophic state of disruption based on convictions that are formed largely on the basis of the availability heuristic and confirmation bias.

I think in the short term the media needs to start giving proportional coverage to police violence on whites to help the public form a more realistic picture of what is going on.

As Harris points out, this turmoil will be a disaster for society of it results in the best police officers leaving the force (who would want to be a police officer when all police are unfairly vilified as racists?) and letting lower quality candidates fill their places.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Are you still trying to be a third world teacher?

I dunno, you tell me you silly old racist

^^ Yes, looper, a 1 hour 42 minute rant on a podcast is going to be more accurate than the dozens of studies world wide by bona fide researchers!

Originally Posted by SKkin

https://israelpalestinenews.org/minn...eck-restraint/

It might be noted that it's quite known that American policing systems recruit and encourage from military circles.
Here lies the underlying presence of a deeper policing/militaristic state.

Both operate and function in terribly close fashion.

The other shoes are beginning to drop – So, Were You Peacefully Protesting or Criminally Looting?

Redacted for size

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/19-year-old-accused-of-looting-smashing-store-window-in-video-that-went-viral/ar-BB15pUMa

MADISON, Wis. (WMTV) -- A 19-year-old woman has been arrested in connection with looting one downtown Madison business as well as the smashing of a window at Power Nine Games that was caught on video by a NBC15 News team.

According to the Madison Police Dept., Gabrielle Kokesh, 19, was booked into the Dane Co. jail on a count of burglary and criminal damage to property. The Waunakee teen is accused of stealing from a business at 414 State Street on Saturday, May 30, the first night of the confrontations between police and protestors.

MPD spokesperson Joel DeSpain said the department’s Burglary Crime Unit is continuing to investigate, identify, and arrest people who may have damaged businesses or looted during the recent protests. He added that they have “a wealth of looting images captured by media, security cameras, and other sources” to work with.


Cameras, cameras, everywhere...

Originally Posted by bowie

A 19-year-old woman has been arrested in connection with looting one downtown Madison business

Another white looter. What is up with these white bitches?

Originally Posted by TheRealKW

^^ Yes, looper, a 1 hour 42 minute rant on a podcast...

Willy, why don't you try listening to the first 10 minutes. If you think it sounds like a one sided political rant then turn it off.

I hope you listen to the whole thing but if you don't it will only have cost you 10 minutes of your life.

Originally Posted by HuangLao

It might be noted that it's quite known that American policing systems recruit and encourage from military circles.
Here lies the underlying presence of a deeper policing/militaristic state.

Both operate and function in terribly close fashion.

Not seeing much global media outrage about knees on the necks of Palestinians. Wonder why...Same standard doesn't apply there?

You would possibly think they would have learned how not to be so kneejerk, but no, they shot another one.

Admittedly he was running away with their taser although as usual they lied about that bit and claimed he was shot "while they struggled for the taser".

Then it was revealed he pointed it at them. From a distance. While running away.

ATLANTA — An Atlanta police officer involved in the death of a Black man at a fast-food restaurant has been fired and another placed on administrative duty, authorities confirmed early Sunday.

The moves follow Saturday's resignation of Atlanta Police Chief Erika Shields, who stepped down as the Friday night killing of Rayshard Brooks, 27, sparked a new wave of protests in Atlanta after turbulent demonstrations that followed the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis had simmered down.

The terminated officer was identified as Garrett Rolfe, who was hired in October 2013, Atlanta Police Department Sergeant John Chafee told USA TODAY. The other officer placed on administrative duty is Devin Brosnan, who was hired in September 2018.

According to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, Brooks, 27, was shot by an officer while fleeing during a struggle at a Wendy's drive-thru late Friday. Brooks had been asleep in his car at the drive-thru, causing other customers to drive around the car, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said.

Police were dispatched to the Wendy's around 10:30 p.m., and conducted a sobriety test on Brooks, who failed the test, according to the officials.

"During the arrest, the male subject resisted and a struggle ensued," the Bureau of Investigation said. "The officer deployed a Taser. Witnesses report that during the struggle the male subject grabbed and was in possession of the Taser. It has also been reported that the male subject was shot by an officer in the struggle over the Taser."

Atlanta shooting: Black man dies after police shooting at Wendy's


Then later when the video came out.....

A bystander’s video showed Brooks struggling with two officers on the ground outside the Wendy’s before breaking free and running across the parking lot with what appears to be a police TASER in his hand.

A second videotape from the restaurant’s cameras shows Brooks turning as he runs and possibly aiming the TASER at the pursuing officers before one of them fires his gun and Brooks falls to the ground.

Brooks ran the length of about six cars when he turned back toward an officer and pointed what he had in his hand at the policeman, Vic Reynolds, director of the GBI, told a press conference.

“At that point, the Atlanta officer reaches down and retrieves his weapon from his holster, discharges it, strikes Mr. Brooks there on the parking lot and he goes down,” Reynolds said.

Protesters burn down Wendy's in Atlanta after police shooting - Reuters