Thread: U.S. launches missile strikes in Syria

Originally Posted by OhOh

We should in all fairness await the OPCW "report" and the "report" conducted by Syria, or their trusted nominee. Will there be differences?

Bombing an alleged chemical stockpile establishment seems a little bizarre, as it either could have spread the, alleged CW, far and wide. In addition we have no proof, other than the last OPCW report when it was declared clean, that the, introduced by the enemy weapons, had no CW onboard prior to the attack and hence may have introduced CWs into a clean establishment.

I'm sure ameristan, France or UK would never do such a thing.

You are conveniently "forgetting", yet again, that they gave formal notice to the Russians of what they were going to bomb. If you think Russia didn't tip off the Syrians, you're delusional.

It was what is known as "sending a message". A slap in the face, if you like, rather than a punch in the kisser.

We should in all fairness await the OPCW "report"

No problems there, but Fisk and the director of the research establishment that granted him free rein to the place (a sizable campus with several buildings, not all totally annihilated) weren't exactly wearing NBCD suits, and as best I'm aware do not glow in the dark.

If a Hazmat cleanup had been performed in the three days prior to Fisk doing his unhurried walkabout, it would have been clearly visible from satellite surveillance- NBCD suits do not exactly look like anything you'll see walking on a normal street, and the various foamy substances being used would stand out like a beacon. No such evidence has been presented, or even insinuated.

Seriously, if you haven't read the article, do. It's clear he is a bit pissed off about the three day delay but that could be for all sorts of reasons- I mean Syria is a dangerous war zone, not an open zoo. Any old Somchai can hose off a bit of chlorine in his best shorts & thongs, but who in their right mind would suggest an alleged 'chemical weapons research establishment' is researching chlorine- y'know the stuff I put in my swimming pool. If this were a true chemical warfare facility, a cleanup would be a major exercise- and no, Harry, it could not happen in three days- plus would be highly visible from aerial surveillance.

And then there is the no small matter that the place is just a few km's from the frontlines of some of the heaviest fighting in the war. I mean, the regime would keep their baddest, meanest, nastiest type chemical warfare research there? what if it had been over run? Nonsense.

Originally Posted by sabang

No problems there, but Fisk and the director of the research establishment that granted him free rein to the place (a sizable campus with several buildings, not all totally annihilated) weren't exactly wearing NBCD suits, and as best I'm aware do not glow in the dark.

If a Hazmat cleanup had been performed in the three days prior to Fisk doing his unhurried walkabout, it would have been clearly visible from satellite surveillance- NBCD suits do not exactly look like anything you'll see walking on a normal street, and the various foamy substances being used would stand out like a beacon. No such evidence has been presented, or even insinuated.

Seriously, if you haven't read the article, do. It's clear he is a bit pissed off about the three day delay but that could be for all sorts of reasons- I mean Syria is a dangerous war zone, not an open zoo. Any old Somchai can hose off a bit of chlorine in his best shorts & thongs, but who in their right mind would suggest an alleged 'chemical weapons research establishment' is researching chlorine- y'know the stuff I put in my swimming pool. If this were a true chemical warfare facility, a cleanup would be a major exercise- and no, Harry, it could not happen in three days- plus would be highly visible from aerial surveillance.

And then there is the no small matter that the place is just a few km's from the frontlines of some of the heaviest fighting in the war. I mean, the regime would keep their baddest, meanest, nastiest type chemical warfare research there? what if it had been over run? Nonsense.

Why do you think the US, France, UK, Germany et al accused the Syrians of cleaning up?



As for the rest of your nonsense, you clearly don't have much of an idea of where and how this conflict has been fought.

And you and the rest of the gang have yet to come up with a decent excuse as to how the reporters were allowed to be escorted to where the Syrian government led them, yet the OPCW, who had their own security, couldn't go there without coming under fire?

Let me tell you why. Because the "journalists" that were allowed in there were handpicked for their political leanings, and were introduced to pro-government Syrians who could fabricate any story they wanted - meanwhile the OPCW were deliberately kept out while evidence was systematically erased.

It's how the Syrians and Russians work.

Why do you think the US, France, UK, Germany et al accused the Syrians of cleaning up?

Why do you think your governments are not outright lying to you, when time and time again it has been shown that they are? But you still believe anything they say- well I gotta nice bridge for you, I'm selling it cheap.

Actually, I'll give it ya free once you find some of Saddam's elusive WMD's- I guess he must have hidden them in a basement somewhere. Face facts Hazza, we ain't the good guys no more, and have not been for a number of years now. Who are the parties invading and demolishing nations in the modern era? Arming and funding those appalling Islamic terrorists? Losing all the w

ars as well, and demolishing any semblance of pride and respectability we once had. Not to mention, influence.

And you still support this? I hope they pay you well.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And you and the rest of the gang have yet to come up with a decent excuse as to how the reporters were allowed to be escorted to where the Syrian government led them, yet the OPCW, who had their own security, couldn't go there without coming under fire?

harry has me on ignore; so, tell him what i've posted before: the OPCW was prevented from going in by their own security team.

if harry has read and remembered what was posted on the OPCW site (posted by me and others on this thread), then he should know that and that the syrians weren't allowed into the area (deal with the terrorists) and the OPCW had to be escorted by the syrians and then handed off to the russians.

When two make the same it is not always the same

'Obscene masquerade': Russia criticised over Douma chemical attack denial
Witnesses taken to The Hague to say no attack took place in Damascus suburb on 7 April



Russia has been accused of carrying out an “obscene masquerade” for transporting 17 Syrian people to Europe to assert that no chemical weapons attack occurred in the town of Douma earlier this month.

The supposed witnesses were unveiled by Russia at the headquarters of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) in The Hague in an attempt to discredit western claims that Bashar al-Assad’s Syrian regime mounted the chemical attack on 7 April.

At an hour-long briefing on Thursday, a succession of Douma residents, including medical staff from the town’s only hospital, insisted there was no chemical attack, but that some people in a state of near hysteria had mistaken breathing difficulties caused by smoke as being caused by a chemical weapons attack.

Surrounded by Syrian and Russian officials, the doctors and paramedics in the group largely suggested that victims arriving at the hospital claiming to have suffered a chemical attack had, after checks, emerged to have suffered no such thing.

Alexander Shulgin, the Russian envoy to the OPCW, claimed that videos of the attack were little more than “a sloppily staged video showing the pretence for a strike is completely groundless”.

Russia has previously said that the attacks were faked on social media by the Syrian civil defence force, the White Helmets.

The UK’s OPCW envoy, Peter Wilson, said any witnesses should be interviewed by OPCW investigators. Britain and its allies did not attend the Russian briefing, he said, adding: “The OPCW is not a theatre”.

The French envoy Philippe Lalliot said: “This obscene masquerade does not come as a surprise from the Syrian government, which has massacred and gassed its own people for the last seven years.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-attack-denial

“obscene masquerade”

supposed witnesses were unveiled by Russia

Syrian civil defence force, the White Helmets.

^ Civil defence force? Now that's an absolute beauty. Comedy classic,

No bias there right? I'm waiting with bated breath for the wisdom of Boris, once he's finished extracting David Camerons penis from a dead pigs mouth at the latest Bullingdon function.

I mean, jeez. And what on earth has happened to The Grauniad?

Originally Posted by sabang

^ Civil defence force? Now that's an absolute beauty. Comedy classic,

No bias there right? I'm waiting with bated breath for the wisdom of Boris, once he's finished extracting David Camerons penis from a dead pigs mouth at the latest Bullingdon function.

I mean, jeez. And what on earth has happened to The Grauniad?

What's up, is it not soap dodging lefty ban the bomb hairy lesbo enough for you?

I really do admire Harry's faith in the ability of Syria and Russia to clean up every vistage of a chemical attack removing every last microscopic particle of evidence even in a unsecured war zone. Must be a feat worthy of a Guinness word record.

The alternative is unthinkable that a chemical attack never happened at all and that it was all an excuse to attack the legitimate Syrian Government, another lie in a long string of lies used as excuses to attack countries and murder their leaders.

Originally Posted by sabang

Why do you think your governments are not outright lying to you, when time and time again it has been shown that they are? But you still believe anything they say- well I gotta nice bridge for you, I'm selling it cheap.

Actually, I'll give it ya free once you find some of Saddam's elusive WMD's- I guess he must have hidden them in a basement somewhere. Face facts Hazza, we ain't the good guys no more, and have not been for a number of years now. Who are the parties invading and demolishing nations in the modern era? Arming and funding those appalling Islamic terrorists? Losing all the w

ars as well, and demolishing any semblance of pride and respectability we once had. Not to mention, influence.

And you still support this? I hope they pay you well.

Well said, Sabang.
Challenging the obvious blind conditioning in many.

And yet not a one of you has given a single credible reason *other* than the chemical attack and the US, France and the UK giving Syria a tactical reminder not to use them (with the stated approval of many other nations).

Let the Putin girls choir conspiratorial nonsense begin........

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

credible reason

Nobody will ever give you an answer you believe is credible because there is no credible reason for the attack, politically or military it was a boorish stunt, just accept it and move on. Your a one track record on repeat.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And yet not a one of you has given a single credible reason *other* than the chemical attack and the US, France and the UK giving Syria a tactical reminder not to use them (with the stated approval of many other nations).

Let the Putin girls choir conspiratorial nonsense begin........

please do not feed the retard,

Originally Posted by OhOh

Nobody will ever give you an answer you believe is credible because there is no credible reason for the attack, politically or military it was a boorish stunt, just accept it and move on. Your a one track record on repeat.

I'll tell you why you won't give me an answer. It's because it will sound so ridiculous even you won't believe it.

You don't even know which Russian story you're supposed to believe, the "it didn't happen", the "the terrorists did it", or the "the Brits faked it".

Own up, you've got nothing.

'arry currently I haven't a clue who did anything. I have seen no proof offered. Plenty of unproven accusations but no proof. A few dubious videos, some MSM reports. I would like to believe the world authority on such things, the OPCW, can be trusted but their track record is not 100%.

Militarily there was no need for the Syrians to use any CW. Politically there was no pressure to use any CW.

On the other hand ameristan is in crisis, UK is in crisis and France less so but has many local problems, so politically there was a reason to show their local citizens they could act.

They militarily, actually delivered nothing. Their weapons systems and tactics were allegedly compromised by Syria and it's allies. The ameristani and vasals attacks were either grossly inefficient, 100 odd expensive missiles hitting 3 undefended sites or 60+% destroyed. It depends who is telling the truth. No deaths, no explosions of possible CW dumps killing 100s of Syrians.

Optics wise possibly ameristan and it's vassals distracted their sheep for a few more weeks or made them proud they could bomb a very insignificant ME country. Ra fucking Ra.

Unfortunately they have been doing that for 100s of years and recently being shown as worthless to the aggressors in any payback and slaughtering, either themselves of their tame "good terrorists", continuously men woman and children civilians.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Militarily there was no need for the Syrians to use any CW. Politically there was no pressure to use any CW.

There has never been a reason for them to use them. But it hasn't stopped them, has it? Dozens and dozens of times.

On the other hand ameristan is in crisis, UK is in crisis and France less so but has many local problems, so politically there was a reason to show their local citizens they could act.

Why would their people give a fuck about Syria? Most of them don't even like them, hence the anti-immigrant protests and swings to the right.

They militarily, actually delivered nothing.

They delivered what they said they would. A warning.

Their weapons systems and tactics were allegedly compromised by Syria and it's allies. The ameristani and vasals attacks were either grossly inefficient, 100 odd expensive missiles hitting 3 undefended sites or 60+% destroyed. It depends who is telling the truth. No deaths, no explosions of possible CW dumps killing 100s of Syrians.

Waffle. "It depends on who is telling the truth".

It's standard Russian SOP to come up with a host of lies, so many that they contradict each other. I know who my money's on.

Optics wise possibly ameristan and it's vassals distracted their sheep for a few more weeks or made them proud they could bomb a very insignificant ME country. Ra fucking Ra.

It never lasted that long. It wasn't intended for the press.

Unfortunately they have been doing that for 100s of years and recently being shown as worthless to the aggressors in any payback and slaughtering, either themselves of their tame "good terrorists", continuously men woman and children civilians.

Yeah, off you go again, waffle waffle.

The US have lost in Syria, although they will claim it as a great victory over IS.

They went into Syria with the specific intention of ousting the legal government and murdering the countries leader as they did in Iraq and Libya.

They armed and trained terrorists and backed them up with bombs and missiles causing once again death and destruction and added to the refugee crisis in Europe.

IS only moved in to take advantage of a vacuum left by the terrorists as they moved on to other parts of the country but their presence gave the US an excuse to be there after they could see they were losing.

That loss is largely attributable to the entry of Russia at the request of the legitimate Government of Syria to assist in putting down a terrorist rebellion backed by a foreign power.

So IS has been pushed out of Syria and Iraq, to where, listen for the loud explosions, ah yes Europe along with all the "refugees".

The US mainland is isolated by a fair bit of water from the refugee crisis but is it enough to prevent the 'revenge' reaching there. Previously there was a way found to exact revenge for betrayal in Afghanistan now known as 9/11, we wait to see.

The US have lost in Syria, although they will claim it as a great victory over IS.

Of course they will- although they are not even fighting them anymore. The Kurds, who were actually doing their heavy lifting (ie fighting and taking casualties) on the ground, have left to defend against Turkey- and are now allied with the Assad regime. US recently snuck out, yet again, with it's tail between it's legs. After all, their bitchmaster- Israel, is actually supporting Isis. Don't upset the Boss.

But seriously, who on earth with an ounce of brain matter trusts the US government any more. Even most Americans don't.

So they've illegally flown over Jordanian airspace? If so, the minimum Jordan should do is launch a complaint to the UN Security Council. And preferably, fire on them. Jordan ain't anyones bitch, at least last I knew.

Originally Posted by sabang

So they've illegally flown over Jordanian airspace? If so, the minimum Jordan should do is launch a complaint to the UN Security Council. And preferably, fire on them. Jordan ain't anyones bitch, at least last I knew.

I would guess they had permission to overfly Jordanian airspace against what both perceive as a common treat, and if over Iraq then permission probably from the US holding a gun to Masum's head.

Not sure if it was an open invite but a while back Saudi offered Israel limited overfly permission if they decided to front up against Iran, though it would be interesting to see what happens if they retract that once the jets are out of home range.

Even mortal enemies in that region occasionally cooperate for mutual benefit or greater causes.

Originally Posted by sabang

Of course they will- although they are not even fighting them anymore. The Kurds, who were actually doing their heavy lifting (ie fighting and taking casualties) on the ground, have left to defend against Turkey- and are now allied with the Assad regime. US recently snuck out, yet again, with it's tail between it's legs. After all, their bitchmaster- Israel, is actually supporting Isis. Don't upset the Boss.

But seriously, who on earth with an ounce of brain matter trusts the US government any more. Even most Americans don't.

very well said, and yes don't believe the Americans, only fools like harry still do

Originally Posted by sabang

So they've illegally flown over Jordanian airspace? If so, the minimum Jordan should do is launch a complaint to the UN Security Council. And preferably, fire on them. Jordan ain't anyones bitch, at least last I knew.

Newsflash: Jordan doesn't like Hizbollah either.

Originally Posted by birding

The US have lost in Syria, although they will claim it as a great victory over IS.

They went into Syria with the specific intention of ousting the legal government and murdering the countries leader as they did in Iraq and Libya.

They armed and trained terrorists and backed them up with bombs and missiles causing once again death and destruction and added to the refugee crisis in Europe.

IS only moved in to take advantage of a vacuum left by the terrorists as they moved on to other parts of the country but their presence gave the US an excuse to be there after they could see they were losing.

That loss is largely attributable to the entry of Russia at the request of the legitimate Government of Syria to assist in putting down a terrorist rebellion backed by a foreign power.

So IS has been pushed out of Syria and Iraq, to where, listen for the loud explosions, ah yes Europe along with all the "refugees".

The US mainland is isolated by a fair bit of water from the refugee crisis but is it enough to prevent the 'revenge' reaching there. Previously there was a way found to exact revenge for betrayal in Afghanistan now known as 9/11, we wait to see.

Interesting theories.

Except

- it has never been a "legal government". Unless you're a big fan of police states and election rigging.
- they armed and trained some of the people who were fighting back against Assad's murderous military campaign against them. (Granted, some of those weapons ended up in IS hands, but that was not the intention, especially since IS has a stated aim to bring down the very GCC monarchies that provided most of them).
- IS moved in because most of Syria was ungovernable by Assad's dicatorship by 2012. It was already active in Iraq thanks to the seppos money grabbing Iraq invasion (which just to remind you I know was WRONG).
- The continuation of this war is indeed all down to Putin vetoing every single measure designed to stop Assad bombing his own subjects.

Your fundamental error is confusing the Arab Spring of the 70% Sunni majority in Syria demanding their fair share of power with what you absurdly call a "terrorist rebellion".

That was Assad's very words: Anyone who fought back against his army were labelled "armed gangs" or "terrorists", way before any real terrorists got involved.

And remember this started with Assad torturing and murdering his own people for doing nothing more than daring to speak against him.

How quickly you forget.