Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance

**Pragmatic** · 15-03-2018, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Porton Down laboratory Wiltshire and confirm that all UK troops will receive an anthrax jab.

Not unusual for military to be tested on with new medicines. I was seconded to Porton Down in the early 70's and undertook trials of 'Atropine' self administered using autoinjectors and also CS gas. All voluntary due to receiving financial inducements.

**cyrille** · 15-03-2018, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I think you mean "Comrade Corbyn does his usual and protects foreign adversaries who pay him".

Good that you don't let facts get in your way there, Harry. Unlike named people I guess you won't have to apologise publically for such nonsense.

No wonder you and Klondick don't get along: you're two sides of the same valueless coin.

**OhOh** · 15-03-2018, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I think you mean "Comrade Corbyn does his usual and protects foreign adversaries who pay him".

I presume you have a list indicating amounts, payer and dates in your hand for us to "determine", "in our opinion" the "validity" prior to us to "take a position". Or should we await a vote at the UNSC?

**OhOh** · 15-03-2018, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

undertook trials of 'Atropine' self administered using autoinjectors and also CS gas

Any others to admit before we determine our opinion as to if they, alone, led to your current mental status?

**harrybarracuda** · 15-03-2018, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by cyrille

Good that you don't let facts get in your way there, Harry. Unlike named people I guess you won't have to apologise publically for such nonsense.

No wonder you and Klondick don't get along: you're two sides of the same valueless coin.

I would suggest you simply google ""Corbyn Russia TV" or "Corbyn Press TV", you simpleton.

Comrade Corbyn doesn't care who fucking pays him, he just takes the money and reads the script.

I'm sure HoHo knows how to use Google as well.

As one Labour backbencher said:

“Putin’s constant and shameful apologist might just as well stand aside and let the Russian ambassador write the speeches and brief the media himself.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ssia-statement

**Klondyke** · 15-03-2018, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by cyrille

Good that you don't let facts get in your way there, Harry. Unlike named people I guess you won't have to apologise publically for such nonsense.

No wonder you and Klondick don't get along: you're two sides of the same valueless coin.

I have yet to see the "facts" of the "same valueless coin", perhaps you did?

**Klondyke** · 15-03-2018, 02:06 PM

Cannot remember whether a UNSC meeting had been urgently called after the Diana "accident" in Paris?

However, it was (too) very fast found the driver was drunk, no foul play (of a foreign power) involved.

Therefore, the case could be closed. How convenient (for the loved ones) ...

**OhOh** · 15-03-2018, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I'm sure HoHo knows how to use Google as well.

I suspect many in the world understand the dangers of utilising foreign regime funded apps and utilise other methods in their daily lives.

From your linked article:

"In the Commons, Corbyn stressed the need to gather evidence and abide by international law, underlining the role of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), based in The Hague.
He said: “If the government believes that it is still a possibility that Russia negligently lost control of a military-grade nerve agent, what action is being taken through the OPCW with our allies?”

Corbyn then asked: “How has she responded to the Russian government’s request for a sample of the agent used in the Salisbury attack, to run its own tests?”

May attacked Corbyn, saying the Russians had already been given the chance to explain where the nerve agent had come from and that the government had sought consensus."

Corbyn suggests following International Laws, Rules and Treaties but May and others would find that difficult as they already know the truth is not as they are "suggesting", not claiming is a fact.

Corbyn asks, as he has the right to, what actions the UK government, and others, have taken with the respect of the Russians request to follow OPCW rules. But May does not answer!

May suggests that the UK government has "given Russia the chance" to act outside the International Laws, Rules and Treaties but Russia replies we are "within the International Laws, Rules and Treaties" as described by the Russian Ambassador to OPCW a few days ago.

Not a lot of clarity or truth there from the current UK PM/ameristani vassal 'arry.

As for some politicians of one particular party "suggesting" there leader is wrong, are they Privy Councillors? Are they able to access the Top Secret information that Corbyn is privy to? Do they have another agenda in this fight?

Watch for mysterious deaths of OPCW members who will not follow the "agreed" with no evidence UK staement.

How is the POCW governed, is it a unanimous consensus, do some members have extra "voting" weight or maybe just a majority of members voting for one "consensus"?

**harrybarracuda** · 15-03-2018, 03:39 PM

Corbyn then asked: “How has she responded to the Russian government’s request for a sample of the agent used in the Salisbury attack, to run its own tests?”

There is little point in giving it to Russia - they will just lie as usual. That is what they are, perennial liars.

So Boris Johnson has announced that a sample will be given to the OPCW.

Of course Russia will then say that the OPCW are the liars.

All of which our forum whackjobs will eagerly lap up.

And since when was Comrade Corbyn an expert on foreign affairs, other than the ones who've paid him to extol their murderous virtues?

**Klondyke** · 15-03-2018, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

There is little point in giving it to Russia - they will just lie as usual. That is what they are, perennial liars.

e.g. how they lied about Iraq?

So Boris Johnson has announced that a sample will be given to the OPCW.

Of course Russia will then say that the OPCW are the liars.

Russia asked to get OPCW involved.

Boris: "You did not respond, we won't give you no sample"...

**OhOh** · 15-03-2018, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

So Boris Johnson has announced that a sample will be given to the OPCW.

The UK has fucked this up badly.

It clearly states the "samples" have to be from the original "event site" and collected by OPCW inspectors. Or are you suggesting anything the UK hands over will be accepted as untainted? To suggest that Boris will hand over samples is ludicrous and also outside the OPCW rules.

That farce has already been tried in war torn Syria and failed.

You may be interested in this document from the OPCW web site.

Part XI. Investigations in Cases of Alleged Use of Chemical Weapons

https://www.opcw.org/chemical-weapon...annex/part-xi/

Parts of the OPCW page.

"3. The request for an investigation of an alleged use of chemical weapons to be submitted to the Director-General, to the extent possible, should include the following information:

(a) The State Party on whose territory use of chemical weapons is alleged to have taken place;

(b) The point of entry or other suggested safe routes of access;

(c) Location and characteristics of the areas where chemical weapons are alleged to have been used;

(d) When chemical weapons are alleged to have been used;

(e) Types of chemical weapons believed to have been used;

(f) Extent of alleged use;

(g) Characteristics of the possible toxic chemicals;

(h) Effects on humans, animals and vegetation;

(i) Request for specific assistance, if applicable.

4. The State Party which has requested an investigation may submit at any time any additional information it deems necessary.

12. If the inspection team has not been dispatched within 24 hours from the receipt of the request, the Director-General shall inform the Executive Council and the States Parties concerned about the reasons for the delay.

Sampling

16. The inspection team shall have the right to collect samples of types, and in quantities it considers necessary. If the inspection team deems it necessary, and if so requested by it, the inspected State Party shall assist in the collection of samples under the supervision of inspectors or inspection assistants. The inspected State Party shall also permit and cooperate in the collection of appropriate control samples from areas neighbouring the site of the alleged use and from other areas as requested by the inspection team. "

Having contaminated the site with hundreds of squaddies, having handled any "samples" .......... nullifies any evidence "given too" anybody.

Do you not see the hole that the UK and all it's naysayers have dug themselves? Bloody amateurs.

That is the internationally agreed procedure, laws or rules with agreed method of collecting, analysing and report writing/delivery.

But as we know ameristan and it's vassals are truly unexceptional, stuffed up to their eyebrows with pig shit. They will blow up some innocent people and declare victory.

**harrybarracuda** · 15-03-2018, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

e.g. how they lied about Iraq?

Again, imbecile, this thread is not about Iraq, Saudi Arabia or whatever else your fucking ADHD conjures up.

Russia asked to get OPCW involved.

Imbecile.

Russia will not co-operate with the UK inquiry into how an ex-spy and his daughter were poisoned until it has been given a sample of the substance used, its foreign minister has said.

**harrybarracuda** · 15-03-2018, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

The UK has fucked this up badly.

It clearly states the "samples" have to be from the original "event site" and collected by OPCW inspectors.

Clearly that is aimed at war zones, not a crime scene in Salisbury.

The obvious purpose behind it being to ensure that the likes of Assad don't get a chance to clean up after they've gassed their own people, or send the OPCW some air freshener rather than the Sarin they actually used.

**harrybarracuda** · 15-03-2018, 05:56 PM

Shouldn't be long before Putin's paid stooges are out on the streets "protesting the UK".

Then, if anyone is out on the streets later protesting against Putin's fake election, they can pretend they are "protesting the UK" as well.

You have to hand it to him, he's fucking sharp.

Hey Ohoh and Klondyke, I'd email the Kremlin and say you are avid RT viewers and in love with Putin. They might give you May and William's World Cup Final tickets.

Russia’s foreign minister has declared the country will expel British diplomats “soon” as it moves to match the UK’s aggressive stance.

Sergei Lavrov told Russian media the expulsions would “definitely” happen.

The announcement follows suit with the UK, with Prime Minister Theresa May having confirmed yesterday that 23 Russian envoys would be made to leave Britain within a week.

Mrs May also revoked an invitation to Russia’s foreign minister and said the Royal family would not attend the FIFA World Cup in Russia later this year.

**OhOh** · 15-03-2018, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Clearly that is aimed at war zones, not a crime scene in Salisbury.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The obvious purpose behind it being to

"clearly", "obviously" your own interpretations are wrong.

Bollocks. Can you not read the attached post arm yourself with some facts and absorb a little common sense before you drop into projection mode?

First Item:

"A. General

1. Investigations of alleged use of chemical weapons, or of alleged use of riot control agents as a method of warfare,"

Note the only comma 'arry.

Any use of CW can be used by any state to request the OPCW investigate any alleged incident. I suspect by the state in it's own country where it occurred, or otherwise.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Hey Ohoh and Klondyke, I'd email the Kremlin and say you are avid RT viewers and in love with Putin.

Oh dear 'arry give it up.

**harrybarracuda** · 15-03-2018, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

"clearly", "obviously" your own interpretations are wrong.

If you are going to quote shit, I would strongly recommend you try reading it.

You know, words like "If" and "Applicable" are as important as the other ones.

6. If applicable, the Director-General shall notify the State Party on whose territory an investigation has been requested. The Director-General shall also notify other States Parties if access to their territories might be required during the investigation.

In this example, the OPCW clearly trust the British and their ability to properly process a crime scene.

Oh dear 'arry give it up.

I'm sorry, but the only way to deal with your criminal stupidity is mostly with humour.

**Neo** · 15-03-2018, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Shouldn't be long before Putin's paid stooges are out on the streets "protesting the UK".

Another "Reds under the beds" moment from harry the lamb.

Most Russians are beyond giving a fuck ages ago, the country has accepted that it is wishful thinking to presume the West may want a mutually beneficial long term partnership and have adjusted their aspirations and economy accordingly.

The current climate of anti Russian hysteria is not aimed at Russia, it's target is the pacified spoon fed populations of the West.

After all.. how can you sell more weapons in a future where everyone is getting along together.?

**Klondyke** · 15-03-2018, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Shouldn't be long before Putin's paid stooges are out on the streets "protesting the UK".

Then, if anyone is out on the streets later protesting against Putin's fake election, they can pretend they are "protesting the UK" as well.

You have to hand it to him, he's fucking sharp.

Hey Ohoh and Klondyke, I'd email the Kremlin and say you are avid RT viewers and in love with Putin. They might give you May and William's World Cup Final tickets.

There is surely a cure for such ailment, don't give up...

**harrybarracuda** · 15-03-2018, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Neo

Another "Reds under the beds" moment from harry the lamb.

Most Russians are beyond giving a fuck ages ago, the country has accepted that it is wishful thinking to presume the West may want a mutually beneficial long term partnership and have adjusted their aspirations and economy accordingly.

The current climate of anti Russian hysteria is not aimed at Russia, it's target is the pacified spoon fed populations of the West.

After all.. how can you sell more weapons in a future where everyone is getting along together.?

Most Russians can only believe what they are told to believe on account of Putin controlling everything they see and hear.

The problem is forum whackjobs like yourselves unflinchingly believe the same propaganda, despite actually having the freedom to view any media you like.

**harrybarracuda** · 15-03-2018, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

There is surely a cure for such ailment, don't give up...

Sadly for you, there is no cure for terminal cretinism.

**harrybarracuda** · 15-03-2018, 07:50 PM

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**OhOh** · 15-03-2018, 08:57 PM

I went to a linked OPCW report dated April 2013, some years after the new Russia was put together. In it they are unable to verify anything about the alleged weapon. The SAB is the Scientific Advisory Board of OPCW.

REPORT OF THE SCIENTIFIC ADVISORY BOARD ON DEVELOPMENTS IN SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY FOR THE THIRD REVIEW CONFERENCE

"Schedules of Chemicals

8.

The Convention contains in the Annex on Chemicals three schedules listing the chemicals which fall under routine verification by the OPCW. The SAB made no specific recommendation regarding a review or an amendment of these schedules as has been proposed by some observers. It emphasised that the definition of toxic chemicals in the Convention would cover all potential candidate chemicals that might be utilised as chemical weapons. Regarding new toxic chemicals not listed in the Annex on Chemicals but which may nevertheless pose a risk to the Convention, the SAB makes reference to “Novichoks”. The name “Novichok” is used in a publication of a former Soviet scientist who reported investigating a new class of nerve agents suitable for use as binary chemical weapons. The SAB states that it has insufficient information to comment on the existence or properties of “Novichoks”.

**Neo** · 15-03-2018, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The problem is forum whackjobs like yourselves unflinchingly believe the same propaganda, despite actually having the freedom to view any media you like.

So full of irony that I wonder sometimes if you are just trolling

**harrybarracuda** · 15-03-2018, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

I went to a linked OPCW report dated April 2013, some years after the new Russia was put together. In it they are unable to verify anything about the alleged weapon.

Well jolly dee, there's a surprise!

I don't suppose that's because Russia refuses to even admit to the OPCW that it has it, does it?

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**harrybarracuda** · 15-03-2018, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Neo

So full of irony that I wonder sometimes if you are just trolling

It's OK, as I said in the other thread, there is a name for your condition.

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