Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance

**OhOh** · 23-11-2018, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

any embarrassment at all after posting so many denials and red herrings, with a total lack of anything remotely resembling objectivity

My embarrassment is that the public, you and some others here, still are willing to fall for this cock and bull story, with no proven facts other than the current UK PM's assertion that "it is highly likely".

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Why was the copper wearing an 'hazmat' suit at the time he attended

I presume you mean by "attending", you are referring to his contact with a man and a woman in distress, on a park bench, on the afternoon, in sleepy Salisbury?

At that point in time the "local bobby" heroically was assisting a couple, being sick and unconscious and "just happened" to be passing. He presumably went to find any id, as every local bobby does in such unusual cases.

He subsequently "developed" a deadly chemical weapon reaction and I suspect was never in contact with the two distressed Russians.

Unless of course the "local copper's" real identity is being withheld, he was not an off duty policeman, but a government watcher of a known double agent who may, because of his Russian daughters visit, was "of interest".

Originally Posted by Klondyke

once approaching a former Russian spy...

And every other drunk/druggie in the early afternoon in the UK.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You are. That's not unusual.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46290989

You know perfectly well the only time the "local copper" attended/had physical contact with the pair was on the park bench.

Where in your link does it mention the "local copper's" dress in the park, where the two Russians were vomiting and unconscious?

"Det Sgt Bailey was admitted to Salisbury District Hospital, where doctors tried to find the right combination of drugs to fight the poison in his body.

At the same time, scientists at the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory - at nearby Porton Down - worked around the clock to find out what had poisoned him and the Skripals.

Doctors had to break the news to Det Sgt Bailey that he had been poisoned with Novichok.

Intensive care doctors at Salisbury hospital were faced with something they had not dealt with before and, according to Dr Duncan Murray, there was "a very real expectation" all three could die."

Your story seems to point, officially anyway, he would not have known. Being a "local copper" and going home to contaminate his loving wife and children after allegedly wearing a hazmat suit. Hence the heartbreaking giving up all their personal items, their house, their cars.

What syrup are you drinking today? The story has more holes than a Swiss Cheese.

**harrybarracuda** · 23-11-2018, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

I presume you mean by "attending", you are referring to his contact with a man and a woman in distress, on a park bench, on the afternoon, in sleepy Salisbury?

That's your problem. You "presume" things that are simply fantasy without ever checking any facts.

It is quite clearly stated:

Det Sgt Bailey came into contact with the nerve agent after being sent to the Skripals' home, where it had been sprayed on the door handle.

"Facts" to you are any old fairy tale bullshit you read on your whackjob websites.

You're a bit of a fucking simpleton really.

**OhOh** · 23-11-2018, 07:32 PM

^But not at the park bench eh?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Det Sgt Bailey came into contact with the nerve agent after being sent to the Skripals' home, where it had been sprayed on the door handle.

Which nobody knew about at the time.

Who sent him and why? Do all "local coppers" have hazmat suits in their detective's cars? Or did the "local copper" sniff a easy case to solve?

Did any neighbour ask him what he was doing, did he have his blue light flashing and put up the obligatory black and yellow tape? Just so no innocent civilians would be poisoned by the lethal chemical weapon from Russia. Where upon coming out in his "hazmat suit/detective inspector's police issue gloves" - which leave no fingerprints, unseen by any neighbours, he wasn't decontaminated but went home to tea with his wife and kids, sat down to tea, watched some TV, bathed his kids and bonked his wife.

As you do after a hazmat search, with no decontamination, as a "local copper".

I suppose it being sleepy Salisbury, a few miles from the UK Chemical weapons lab, all the "local coppers" all have special faulty decontamination gear in their armed response, vehicles.

The story seems to be that when he was in hospital, after the alleged visit to the house, the doctors and UK chemical weapons lab were still investigating the substance.

Yet another hole in your cheese.

keep em coming 'arry.

**Pragmatic** · 23-11-2018, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Det Sgt Bailey came into contact with the nerve agent after being sent to the Skripals' home, where it had been sprayed on the door handle.

He went to the Skripal's house after attending to them in the park. How did he know where they lived and who sent him?

In the park the Skripal's were contaminated but the copper didn't get the contamination there. How do they know that for sure? Oh yeah, cuz the government said so.

**Klondyke** · 23-11-2018, 07:55 PM

Still highlighting the Skripals' "murder" in the view of Khashoggi murder? For this somebody has to have a good stomach.

**Pragmatic** · 23-11-2018, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Det Sgt Bailey came into contact with the nerve agent after being sent to the Skripals' home, where it had been sprayed on the door handle.

When you go to someones house you either press the bell or knock the door but it seems this copper manhandled the door handle.

**OhOh** · 23-11-2018, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

For this somebody has to have a good stomach.

The Russians are so barbaric.

Russian weapons of choice, an umbrella or a perfume.

Go gentle into that good night

**harrybarracuda** · 23-11-2018, 08:41 PM

Waffle waffle.

See post 1472 for more details before you waffle some more.

**Pragmatic** · 23-11-2018, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Waffle waffle.

**SKkin** · 23-11-2018, 09:26 PM

One wonders what role the 77th Brigade and JTRIG has played in this story...

Inside the British Army's secret information warfare machine
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/insi...rfare-military

JTRIG also boasted an arsenal of 200 info-weapons, ranging from in-development to fully operational. A tool dubbed “Badger” allowed the mass delivery of email. Another, called “Burlesque”, spoofed SMS messages. “Clean Sweep” would impersonate Facebook wall posts for individuals or entire countries. “Gateway” gave the ability to “artificially increase traffic to a website”. “Underpass” was a way to change the outcome of online polls.

They had operational targets across the globe: Iran, Africa, North Korea, Russia and the UK. Sometimes the operations focused on specific individuals and groups, sometimes the wider regimes or even general populations.

Guess it's not secret anymore.

**OhOh** · 23-11-2018, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by SKkin

Guess it's not secret anymore.

Not a lady to be seen.

Is the publishing of their existence not double edged? Is it an attempt to distort the reality we all cling helplessly too?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

See post 1472 for more details before you waffle some more.

I don't need to watch the UK government propaganda channel thanks.

Aimed at the British "intelligentsiya".

"In Russia, before the Bolshevik Revolution (1917) the term intelligentsiya described the status class of educated people whose cultural capital (schooling, education, enlightenment) allowed them to assume practical political leadership."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligentsia

**harrybarracuda** · 24-11-2018, 12:47 AM

I know you can't bear to hear anyone contradict your state propaganda channels. Very predictable.

**NamPikToot** · 24-11-2018, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by SKkin

One wonders what role the 77th Brigade and JTRIG has played in this story...

Would you like me to ask Chris when i see him next?

**SKkin** · 24-11-2018, 02:12 AM

^Ask him why Carl blew their cover...

**NamPikToot** · 24-11-2018, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by SKkin

^Ask him why Carl blew their cover...

77th isn't secret

**SKkin** · 24-11-2018, 03:26 AM

^So it's another misleading headline then?

Imagine that...

**NamPikToot** · 24-11-2018, 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by SKkin

^So it's another misleading headline then?

Imagine that...

SKkin, likely. The cyber specialists are GCHQ who would work in conjunction with both MI6 & 5 as the threat originated outside the UK and took place inside. 77 are not in the same league and their focus is in support of Army activity, they maybe called upon but not in anyway prime in this. The uk front line commands Navy,Army, RAF are developing cyber capabilities but its a developing force and its all still yet to be worked through how they all work with the existing agencies - sounds crazy, you'd think there would be a strategic co-ordinated plan but...........ps none of this is secret. pps Army involved as the activity took place in the UK and on the edge of Salisbury Plain - their manor and responsibility for home threat response. I imagine 77 + other cyber units would use the attack as a training/conemp/learning opportunity also, I imagine.

**SKkin** · 24-11-2018, 04:30 AM

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

their manor and responsibility for home threat response.

Similar to here after 9/11 and the Patriot Act...and just so you know, I am not a fan of all that's transpired since. I don't like what we've become. Or maybe that's what we always were.

To me the bigger threat to "We the People" resides in the Money centers(banking), Washington D.istrict of C.riminals and our war machine. IMO a lot of these "threats" are ginned up for their profit potential for members of the three aforementioned entities.

I view this Skripal thing as a UK version of a ginned up threat. Same with the "Russian interference in US 2016 election" garbage. US/UK jointly trying to revive the Cold War. Profitable for some...certainly not the taxpayers though.

Of course according to 'arry I'm a wackjob. So nevermind me, I'm just a simple man.

**NamPikToot** · 24-11-2018, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by SKkin

One wonders what role the 77th Brigade and JTRIG has played in this story...

Inside the British Army's secret information warfare machine
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/insi...rfare-military

Guess it's not secret anymore.

Also, that's a US unit in the photo. The give away(s) is the camo, slim collar, hair cut + its not 77s badge and their desktops are not 20 yrs old

.

**SKkin** · 24-11-2018, 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

Also, that's a US unit in the photo.

I know...the pic is not from the Wired.uk article.

**NamPikToot** · 24-11-2018, 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by SKkin

Of course according to 'arry I'm a wackjob. So nevermind me, I'm just a simple man.

SKkin - Arry's a womble, he's like bsnub on the US threads - any opinion that doesn't agree with their ideas or what they've gleaned from fact, read news sources, ensures you get an expletive laden counter post - its fukin boring which is why i go at them. They have room for one opinion only and those of us older, more worldly wise or intelligent are dismissed as idiots, imbeciles or as Arry would put it Fu.King Wa_kers.

The world is getting more stretched and those in power or with significant resources will do all they can to hold on to it - the traditional moral boundaries are being blurred and i can only see this going one way - you can't keep expanding demand against a finite supply - the crunch will come = in what form, effect and how soon is a matter of how long politicians can juggle.

The forum is about opinions - you have one which should be no less valid so fuk em.

**Pragmatic** · 24-11-2018, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by SKkin

One wonders what role the 77th Brigade and JTRIG has played in this story...

Your picture is of US military personnel.

The 77th Brigade is a British Army formation,

**SKkin** · 24-11-2018, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Your picture is of US military personnel.

See post #1495. I was a little misleading myself. My bad...

**tomcat** · 24-11-2018, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

The cyber specialists are GCHQ who would work in conjunction with both MI6 & 5 as the threat originated outside the UK and took place inside. 77 are not in the same league and their focus is in support of Army activity, they maybe called upon but not in anyway prime in this. The uk front line commands Navy,Army, RAF are developing cyber capabilities but its a developing force and its all still yet to be worked through how they all work with the existing agencies - sounds crazy, you'd think there would be a strategic co-ordinated plan but...........ps none of this is secret. pps Army involved as the activity took place in the UK and on the edge of Salisbury Plain - their manor and responsibility for home threat response. I imagine 77 + other cyber units would use the attack as a training/conemp/learning opportunity also

...sounds like a blurb from a Frederick Forsyth thriller...

Originally Posted by SKkin

I don't like what we've become. Or maybe that's what we always were.

...I would have disagreed...then tRump was elected...

**OhOh** · 24-11-2018, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

anyone contradict your state propaganda

I will assume you are referring to the UK State propaganda outlet, the BBC.

The "anyone" certainly isn't you, as you are unable to post more than the word "waffle".

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