And Putin playing his usual game of saying all the other countries are looking for excuses to have a go at Russia and he's the only one who can keep them at bay.Quote:
Originally Posted by baldrick
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And Putin playing his usual game of saying all the other countries are looking for excuses to have a go at Russia and he's the only one who can keep them at bay.Quote:
Originally Posted by baldrick
I doubt any of them would use what is clearly a state produced nerve agent without it being sanctioned from above.Quote:
Originally Posted by misskit
Oh I know, you can do it for fun as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo
Sems only 2 possible perps
Putin or MI6, he was of no further use as a grass , murdering him in public and pointing finger at the Russians to keep uncle Sam happy as the isles sink into a no mates sunset.I doubt we'll ever know, Steele, Trump will all be thrown into the mix to muddy the waters.
Those 'others' would infer just as much from a break in and beating to death. Clearly from the outcome this is aimed at provoking maximum hysteria among the masses.Quote:
Originally Posted by baldrick
A rare moment of lucidity from the Voice of America.Quote:
Originally Posted by misskit
Listen up Harry, your master has spoken :)
At least, it makes our brains busy - and our thought and prayers - so not to think about other hundreds awful deaths at other side of world - not being investigated by Scotland Yard and and...
See my response above you grovelling putin apologist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo
You really are an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo
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Originally Posted by baldrick
That is how mafioso crime hits work. Anyone that thinks Russia is anything other than a nation ruled by a mafia cabal is an idiot. (see above) :)
How heart-breaking from the Brits. They usually hate Russians, however, not the residing oligarchs and not the spies defecting
It's just all so black and white with you eh harry...Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
I don't apologise for Putin, I feel sorry for the spoon fed sheep that are being manipulated and put in fear by their own governments, just to keep the arms industry afloat. You're the one that's fixated on Putin.
Does anyone understand what this idiot is on about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
Seems like a drunk looking for a bite most of the time.
The obvious solution to arm everyone in the UK with Sam Fox missiles
Fortunately M has armed Cy with all the latest gear and the assailants will be tugged off in the final reel
https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?a...id=10025&stc=1
Unfortunately the "poor hard done by Russia/Britain is an American lapdog" nonsense rather easily gives your silly game away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo
yaaaaawn
More like the Putin/RT/Sputnik/infowars propaganda machine and neo laps it all up like the lemming he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
If Russia role in nerve attack proved, Britain will respond: PM May
LONDON (Reuters) - Britain will respond appropriately if evidence shows Moscow sponsored a nerve agent attack on a Russian ex-spy and his daughter in southern England, Prime Minister Theresa May said on Thursday, in the highest-level warning of action to date.
Former double agent Sergei Skripal, 66, and his daughter Yulia, 33, have been in hospital since they were found unconscious on Sunday on a bench outside a shopping center in the quiet cathedral city of Salisbury.
British media and some politicians have speculated that the Russian state could be behind the attack - suggestions dismissed by Moscow as knee-jerk, anti-Russian propaganda.
“We will do what is appropriate, we will do what is right, if it is proved to be the case that this is state-sponsored,” May told ITV News, when asked whether Britain could expel the Russian ambassador over the attack.
“But let’s give the police the time and space to actually conduct their investigation,” she added, in her first comments on the attack since police said on Wednesday a nerve agent was used.
“Of course if action needs to be taken then the government will do that. We’ll do that properly, at the right time, and on the basis of the best evidence,” she said.
Scientific tests by government experts have identified the specific substance used, which will help identify the source, but authorities have refused to disclose the details.
Both victims remain unconscious, in a critical but stable condition, while a British police officer who was also harmed by the substance is now able to talk to people although he remains in a serious condition, interior minister Amber Rudd said.
“The use of a nerve agent on UK soil is a brazen and reckless act. This was attempted murder in the most cruel and public way,” Rudd told parliament in a statement.
“But if we are to be rigorous in this investigation, we must avoid speculation and allow the police to carry on their investigation.”
Despite her call, several lawmakers pointed the finger at Russia during their questions to Rudd, with some calling for investigations to be re-opened into the deaths of Russian exiles in Britain in recent years.
Rudd rebuffed them, urging people to keep a cool head and saying the focus should remain on the Salisbury incident.
“We will respond in a robust and appropriate manner once we ascertain who was responsible,” she said. “We are committed to do all we can to bring the perpetrators to justice, whoever they are and wherever they may be.”
DOUBLE AGENT
Skripal betrayed dozens of Russian agents to British intelligence before his arrest by Russian authorities in 2004. He was sentenced to 13 years in prison in 2006, and in 2010 was given refuge in Britain after being exchanged for Russian spies.
The attack on him has been likened in Britain to the assassination of ex-KGB agent Alexander Litvinenko, a critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin, who died in London in 2006 after drinking green tea laced with radioactive polonium-210.
A British public inquiry later said Litvinenko’s murder had probably been approved by Putin and carried out by two Russians, Dmitry Kovtun and Andrei Lugovoy, an ex-KGB bodyguard who later became a member of parliament.
Both men denied any responsibility and Russia has refused to extradite them to stand trial.
Rudd was pressed during a BBC radio interview earlier on whether Britain had been too soft on Russia following the Litvinenko murder, sending out a message that such acts could be carried out with impunity.
She denied this and hinted that if Russia turned out to be implicated in the attack on Skripal, action would be taken against it.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKCN1GK1BW
^I think all the Russian defectors and the ones like Navalny will be now very afraid for their life (however not from the Russian side...)
The same for the NK defectors...
Well here we go, Klondyke has solved the case and it's not the Russians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
Best fire off an email to the PM then, fucknuts.
Care to list which countries actually do not breach the said unproven allegations with respect to Russia?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Time for a few pints down at the The Kings head Arms for TD CID.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
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(20 years JDW shareholder)
I'd suggest you google "Countries with sanctions against them for breaching international law and standards such as state sponsored hacking and and invading neighbouring countries/propping up genocidal dictators?".Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Coverage of double agent’s alleged poisoning is hysterical propaganda – Lavrov
Published time: 9 Mar, 2018
Sergey Lavrov said that Russia is blamed for everything that goes wrong on the planet, and noted that no facts had been presented to suggest any Russian involvement in the poisoning of Sergey Skripal and his daughter.
We haven’t heard a single fact, we only watch TV coverage, where your colleagues speak fervently with serious faces that if it is Russia. The response will be that Russia will remember forever. It’s not serious, it’s propaganda at its finest and pressing hysteria,” said the foreign minister, who was speaking at a press conference alongside his Ethiopian counterpart, Workneh Gebeyehu.
However, Lavrov stated that if British authorities were interested in cooperating with Russia in relation to any case, “be it poisoning of British subjects, be it rumors of interfering in US campaign, if help is really needed, we are ready to look at such possibility.
“However, to conduct such matters, one shouldn’t run to TV screens with baseless accusations, but turn professionally to existing channels, including law enforcement,” he added.
“I want to remind people that Litvinenko’s death was also attributed to Russia, but hasn’t been investigated, because court proceedings, which were called ‘public,’ were in fact closed. They were carried out in a very strange way, and numerous facts, which emerged throughout investigation, haven’t come into the public domain,” the minister said.
https://www.rt.com/news/420842-doubl...oning-skripal/
I don't suppose there's much point in calling bullshit on that fat turd because it's all he knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
Hearsay and prejudice do not pass for laws 'arry. Anybody can place a sanction on another country or individual. It's got nothing to do with laws and standards just money.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
The offer was made, whether anybody has the balls or desire to find out the truth and would like Russia assistance they will receive a warm welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
The offer is bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Let's see them send Andrei Lugovoi to face trial before they start gobbing off about "truth".
you're frothing again harry :rolleyes:
After all, there is nothing to be afraid of a truly fair trial. Something like the trial about Lockerbie...Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
According to my records, one defendant was cleared and the other abandoned his appeal and was squirrelled off home in a murky deal with Libya.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
So what is your point?
This all seems a bit odd.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...sbury-cemeteryQuote:
Almost 200 members of the armed forces arrived on the streets of Salisbury on Friday to support police investigating the nerve agent attack on a Russian former spy and his daughter, as attention focused on the cemetery where the remains of Sergei Skripal’s wife and and son lie.
In extraordinary scenes at the city’s London Road cemetery that indicated the investigation was gathering pace, experts in full hazmat suits helped set up tents over the grave of Liudmila Skripal and the memorial of Alexander Skripal, who both died in recent years.
Across the city, soldiers, bomb disposal specialists, marines and RAF personnel were called in to help secure vehicles and scenes that may have been contaminated and to take the pressure off the police. The new deployment included experts in chemical warfare.
The Metropolitan police dismissed reports that an exhumation took place on Friday and said there were no plans to carry one out.
According to Liudmila’s death certificate, she died of cancer in 2012 aged 59, while Alexander died in March last year in St Petersburg, aged 43, in unknown circumstances. He was cremated. Most attention seemed to be being paid to the site of his memorial stone, which is topped by a model of a St Bernard dog.
Earlier, a convoy of military lorries accompanied by police escorts, incident response units and an ambulance arrived at Salisbury district hospital, where Skripal, 66, and his daughter, Yulia, 33, remain critically ill. They removed a police car that is believed to have been used in the response to the attack.
One of the officers involved in the early response to the collapse of father and daughter on Sunday afternoon, DS Nick Bailey, remained seriously ill in the same hospital. It has emerged that he visited the Salisbury home of Skripal after the pair were found slumped on a bench in the city centre.
Investigators want to know whether Bailey visited the scene where the two Russians were found and was poisoned there or by items there, or whether the officer was contaminated on his visit to Skripal’s home.
Sources say that, while it is not certain, it is believed more likely that Bailey became contaminated on his visit to the home.
The Met commissioner, Cressida Dick, paid tribute to Bailey, his colleagues and other emergency services. She said: “It’s a very challenging investigation. It’s obviously a very challenging environment to work in. And I guess these very vivid images that people are seeing just reminds people of what our first responders, what our forensics people, what our investigators do and may find themselves doing, and the professionalism and courage that takes.”
Dick declined to comment when asked about the former Met commissioner Lord Blair backing calls for 14 other deaths to be re-examined after the Salisbury incident.
In Westminster, the home secretary, Amber Rudd, will chair a rare weekend meeting of the government’s emergency Cobra committee at 2pm on Saturday, to ensure ministers are up to date with the latest developments in Salisbury. Cabinet ministers including the foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, and the defence secretary, Gavin Williamson, will be updated on the police investigation, which government sources described as “moving quite quickly”.
However, Downing Street stressed that the committee, which coordinates the government’s handling of emergencies, was not the forum for considering potential diplomatic responses. With suspicion falling on the Russian state, Theresa May’s government is understood to have several options for responding to the attack. May is said to be determined to be tougher than the UK was after the poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko in 2006.
Options include expelling diplomats, revision of sanctions, not officially sending a minister to the football World Cup, designating Russia as a state sponsor of terror – and even, though this is believed to be unlikely, declassifying intelligence implicating Vladimir Putin.
The thinking in Westminster is understood to be that the UK has few benefits from good relations with Putin and Johnson’s visit to Moscow was not deemed a success.
During a visit to Salisbury, Rudd described the attack as “outrageous”.
She said: “I understand people’s curiosity about all those questions, wanting to have answers, and there will be a time to have those answers. But the best way to get to them is to make sure we give the police the space they need to really go through the area carefully, to do their investigation and to make sure that they have all the support that they need in order to get that.”
Rudd added: “In terms of further options, that will have to wait until we’re absolutely clear what the consequences could be and what the actual source of this nerve agent has been.”
She said the responders to the incident had told her that something about the scene, which police initially believed to be drugs related, “didn’t feel quite right”.
“It didn’t stop them for a minute from doing the right thing, making sure that precautions were immediately taken to protect the victims and making sure they secured the site in a professional way,” Rudd said.
As originally known, Libya had nothing to do with the crash *). Even as found by the Scottish investigators (in contrast to US investigators) and some victims' families.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
So, instead being embarrassed by re-trial, they better released the one...
*) but Iran as revenge for shooting down their aircraft by US "mistake"...
Kinda makes you wonder why they admitted it and paid $2.7 Billion in compensation then, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
You thicko.
It all seems a bit precautionary if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cujo
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Russian spy poisoning: Police fear graves of relatives BOOBY-TRAPPED
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THEORY: The graves of Sergei Skripal’s wife and son could have been boobytrappedTHE graves of poisoned Russian spy Sergei Skripal’s wife and son could have been boobytrapped.
By Oliver Pritchard
10 Mar 2018
Teams of officers wearing hazard protection suits removed items from a cemetery in Salisbury, Wilts, where the pair are buried. The materials were then taken in a large convoy, which included several Army trucks and police vehicles, to Salisbury District Hospital for analysis. A convoy of military vehicles also rolled into the car park at the hospital to recover a police car.
One theory police are probing is the possibility that the graves were booby-trapped to poison Mr Skripal, 66, and his 33-year-old daughter Yulia. Mr Skripal’s house and his car have also been cordoned off. A witness who lives near the cemetery said they saw a large blue bag being removed from the site of the graves. The scene was later covered by a forensic tent.
DEATH: Mr Skripal's son Alexander died in mysterious circumstances in St Petersburg last year. Mr Skripal and Yulia were poisoned with a nerve agent on Sunday. They remain in a critical condition in hospital.
In total 21 people needed hospital treatment after the attack, including police hero Nick Bailey who tried to help the Russian double agent and his daughter.
Police said Det Sgt Bailey is conscious but “very anxious” about being exposed to a nerve agent.
Mr Skripal’s wife, Liudmila, died aged 59 from cancer in 2012. Their son Alexander died aged 43 in mysterious circumstances in St Petersburg last year. There has been speculation that the pair were murdered by Russia after Mr Skripal’s betrayal in selling secrets to MI6. Russia denies any involvement.
Home Secretary Amber Rudd visited the city yesterday and spoke to first responders. She described the attack as “outrageous” and praised emergency services for their brave actions. Ex Metropolitan Police Commissioner Lord Blair said an investigation should be launched into whether there is a pattern of former British intelligence collaborators dying in the UK.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...ped-spy-poison
Very Interesting!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-cJu-6QFC8
Another interesting piece...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIMfe7syMBY
No word of the Doctor, nurse or paramedics who allegedly treated the two Russians at the scene.
I suppose they, being knowledgable about such things, and routinely exposed to so many "extremely lethal nerve poisons" they are immune. Has the hospital been quarantined, have experts from the UK Porton Down Chemical Weapons Centre (where VX nerve agent originated in the 1950s and still being "developed") been called in to rubber stamp the pre-determined truth?
:chitown:
"A doctor, who was shopping with her husband in the city centre on Sunday, told the BBC she stepped in to help Ms Skripal after she found her slumped on the bench.
She described her as "slumped in her seat, completely unconscious" and had lost control of her bodily functions.
Helped by a passing nurse, the hospital registrar got the 33-year-old onto the floor and into the recovery position - opening up her airway.
The pair, who did not have any visible injuries, were taken to Salisbury District Hospital by paramedics where they are being treated in intensive care.
The doctor said she "feels fine" but remains concerned that she may have been affected by a nerve gas agent used in the attack."
Russian spy: What we know so far - BBC News
Questions in the House, COBRA meetings, hotel bookings cancelled and now:
"About 180 military personnel have been deployed to Salisbury to help in the investigation into the attempted murder of an ex-Russian spy and his daughter.
The personnel - from the Army, Royal Marines and RAF - are experts in chemical warfare and decontamination.
Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia remain in a critical condition after being exposed to a nerve agent.
Home Secretary Amber Rudd will chair a meeting of the government's emergency committee, Cobra, on Saturday."
Somebody's stirring this pot a little too much, any Bears been spotted over the North Sea?
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So let me get this straight, some fucker used a nerve agent in public on British soil to try and kill a defector, and you think they're taking it too seriously?Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
I'm afraid the fucking imbecile is very strong in you today.