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    A conspiracy or the truth:

    Four days to declare a Cold War

    by Thierry Meyssan


    http://www.voltairenet.org/article200232.html
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    An official Aide-memoire from the office of the Russian Foreign Ministry.

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    21 March 2018 21:33

    Aide-memoire to clarify the state of affairs as regards the so-called ‘Skripal case’

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    AIDE-MEMOIRE
    to clarify the state of affairs
    as regards the so-called ‘Skripal case’
    1. On 12 March 2018, Prime Minister of Great Britain Theresa May, addressing the House of Commons, said it was "highly likely" that the Russian Federation was responsible for the poisoning of former GRU colonel, double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia Skripal on 4 March 2018 in Salisbury, with a nerve agent identified according to British classification as A-234.The United Kingdom has publicly raised a question about Russia's "concealing" and "using" part of its chemical arsenal, thus alleging that Russia has "violated" its obligations under the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production, Stockpiling and Use of Chemical Weapons and on Their Destruction (CWC) – one of the most effective multilateral treaties in the disarmament and non-proliferation field, which was initiated, among others, by our country.

    Thus, the United Kingdom has come out against Russia as well as against the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) itself and the tremendous work that has been done within this organization during the last two decades, including with participation of the United Kingdom.

    Pursuant to the requirements of Article III of the CWC, the Russian Federation submitted a full and complete declaration of all its chemical weapons stockpiles. That data was thoroughly checked and verified by the inspection teams of the OPCW Technical Secretariat. The fact of the full elimination of Russia's chemical arsenal has been officially confirmed by the authorized international institution – the OPCW.

    2. On 12 March 2018, given the gravity of the accusations brought against our country, the Russian Embassy in London sent a note verbale to the Foreign Office of Great Britain requesting access to the investigation materials, including samples of the chemical agent that British investigators were referring to, so that it could be tested by our experts in the framework of joint investigation.

    Thus, we proposed to act in accordance with paragraph 2 of Article IX of the CWC. It stipulates that States Parties to the Convention should first make every effort to clarify and resolve, through exchange of information and consultations among themselves, any matter which may cause doubt about compliance with the CWC. Under the provisions of that Article, Russia would be ready to respond to the United Kingdom's request within 10 days.

    Unfortunately, the British side rejected that option and, instead of following the existing norms of international law, chose to unscrupulously politicize the issue.

    3. British Prime Minister Theresa May suggested that a special Security Council meeting to discuss the matter be held on 14 March 2018. Suspecting that London would play dirty, Russia insisted on making the Security Council's meeting open.It is incomprehensible what the British side was trying to achieve by bringing the issue to the UNSC. This matter by no means falls within the mandate of the UNSC. It is quite obvious that all discussions are pointless until the OPCW gives its assessment of the Salisbury incident (it is important to know whether a nerve agent was actually used; if it was, how the likely origin of the chemicals was determined; what, and on what basis, actions were taken with regard to the victims, etc.).

    4. On 14 March 2018, British Prime Minister Theresa May, apparently having come to senses, finally sent a letter to Director-General of the Technical Secretariat of the OPCW Ahmet Üzümcü (circulated to all OPCW Executive Council Member States on 15 March 2018) inviting the OPCW Technical Secretariat “to independently verify the analysis” of the British investigation into the Salisbury incident.

    As indicated in the press release by the British Foreign Office of 18 March 2018, following the letter by Ms Theresa May, the UK’s Permanent Representative to the OPCW invited experts of the OPCW Technical Secretariat to visit the United Kingdom to carry out an independent analysis of the findings of the British Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down in connection with the Salisbury incident. On 19 March 2018, OPCW experts arrived in the United Kingdom.Russia expects the OPCW to make an official detailed account of developments around the ‘Skripal case’. We proceed from the understanding that the OPCW Technical Secretariat shall conduct a full-fledged independent investigation in accordance with all relevant provisions of the CWC.

    5. Russia has more and more questions both in legal and practical terms. And we intend to seek answers through the OPCW.Russia states that it has not used chemical weapons against Great Britain. We suppose that the attack on the Skripals with toxic chemicals shall be deemed a terrorist act. As Yulia Skripal, a Russian citizen, is among the victims to the incident, we propose cooperation with the British Side under Article IX of the CWC.


    We would like to ascertain the following issues.

    Where, how, and by whom were the samples collected from Sergei and Yulia Skripal? How was it all documented? Who can certify that the data is credible? Was the chain of custody up to all the OPCW requirements when evidence was collected?

    Which methods (spectral analysis and others) were used by the British side to identify, within such a remarkably short period of time, the type of the substance used ("Novichok" according to the western classification)? As far as we know, to do that, they must have had a standard sample of such agent at their disposal.And how do these hasty actions correlate with Scotland Yard's official statements that "the investigation is highly likely to take weeks or even months" to arrive at conclusions?

    What information and medical effects led to a hasty decision to administer antidotes to the aggrieved Skripals and the British policeman? Could that hastiness lead to grave complications and further deterioration of their health status?

    Which antidotes exactly were administered? What tests had been conducted to make the decision to use these drugs?How can the delayed action of the nerve agent be explained, given that it is a fast-acting substance by nature? The victims were allegedly poisoned in a pizzeria (in a car, at the airport, at home, according to other accounts). So what really happened? How come they were found in some unidentified time on a bench in the street?

    We need an explanation why it is Russia who was accused on the ‘Skripal case’ without any grounds whatsoever, while works to develop the agent codenamed "Novichok" in the West had been carried out by the United Kingdom, the USA, Sweden and the Czech Republic. There are more than 200 open sources publications in the NATO countries, highlighting the results that those countries achieved in the development of new toxic agents of this type.

    6. Even from purely humanitarian perspective London’s action appears simply barbaric. On 4 March 2018 (as British authorities themselves claim) a nerve agent attack against Russian citizen Yulia Skripal was committed in the territory of the United Kingdom.

    Russian Federation has demanded exhaustive information on the course of investigation into the Salisbury incident involving a Russian citizen (the Russian Embassy in London sent the relevant note verbale on 12 March 2018).

    The United Kingdom is breaching elementary rules of inter-State relations and is still denying, without any explanation, Russian officials’ consular access to Yulia Skripal envisaged by the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. For more than two weeks now, we have not been able to credibly ascertain what happened to our citizen and what condition she is actually in.

    On 16 March, the Main Directorate for High-Priority Cases of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation initiated a criminal investigation into the attempted willful murder of Russian citizen Yulia Skripal committed by dangerous means in the territory of the United Kingdom.

    The investigation will be conducted in accordance with the Russian legislation and the norms of international law. Highly qualified experts will contribute to the investigation.

    The investigators stand ready to work together with the competent authorities of the United Kingdom. We expect a cooperative approach of the British side.

    7. In the UN Security Council as well as in the OPCW and at other international fora, the Russian Federation has been a consistent and insistent proponent of thorough, comprehensive and professional investigation of all crimes involving toxic chemicals, and of bringing perpetrators to justice.

    We are ready to engage in full-scale and open cooperation with the United Kingdom in order to address any concerns whether in bilateral format or within the OPCW and other international instruments, working within the purview of international law.As a responsible member of the international community and a bona fide State Party to the CWC Russia will never speak the language of ultimatums or answer informal and word-of-mouth questions.

    The Western countries’ action on the fabricated ‘Skripal case’ contravenes the norms of international law and the general practice of inter-State relations, as well as the common sense itself. Naturally, we run a detailed record of all that, and when time comes, those guilty will inevitably be brought to justice."

    http://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/...ent/id/3134591

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    Available here:

    https://twitter.com/foreignoffice/st...nds-answers%2F

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    Tensions are high in the UK. At least the police protected the speaker, speaking as is accepted at speakers corner on the 10/3/18.

    Such sentiments are stirred by officials allegedly elected to serve in the local regime.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=PybfP4Onuv0

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    ^Nothing to do with the poisoning incident.

    In summary

    1. Two Russians are found unwell on a park bench in Salisbury. One was an unusually wealthy person with no visible means of support.

    2. Hospital samples indicate the cause may have been poisoning by a rare nerve agent developed twenty years ago, the details of which are widely known.

    3. The mediocrity that is the UK prime minister blames the Russian government as a distraction for the Brexit negotiations going tits up.

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    No I agree, just an illustration of the public mood, on whatever subject is becoming I suggest, dangerous.

    And yes it may be to distract from the UK regimes absolute failure to negotiate with the EU. Greece had similar problems read the ex-finance minister's book - it's online in English audio.

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    Ah the "Brexit" conspiracy theory.

    My but the loons are out on this thread aren't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    it may be to distract from the UK regimes absolute failure to negotiate with the EU. Greece had similar problems
    ...I see your usual red herrings have been upgraded to scarlet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    I see your usual red herrings have been upgraded to scarlet...
    Not my allegation, look above at another poster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Not my allegation
    ...your post...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    A conspiracy or the truth:

    Four days to declare a Cold War

    by Thierry Meyssan


    Four days to declare a Cold War, by Thierry Meyssan
    Although it has the fourth largest army in the world, the United Kindom is unable to defy Russia without the support of allies. It therefore has to invent a casus belli to make its partners react and lead them to stand beside it.
    Not on any lists I've seen or heard of in anyones imagination, maybe Putin didn't tell them the Empire is over... but then I've never heard of this Kindom.. CIA/MI6/AREA 51 covert op perhaps.?

    FFS OhOh.. no wonder the chuckle brothers think your're a flake
    Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!"

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    When it comes to allegations against Russia, the UK government cannot be trusted, so other nations would be wise to demand proof, Russia’s ambassador in London said, commenting on the Skripal poisoning saga.

    “Don’t take the words of the British for granted,” Alexander Yakovenko told journalists during a press conference at the Russian Embassy when asked what his advice to European nations would be on the unfolding UK-Russian conflict. “I am quoting Ronald Reagan: trust but verify.”

    https://www.rt.com/uk/422016-skripal...ess-salisbury/


    He has a point though... with the UK's track record you'd be a mug to believe they're telling you the whole truth.
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    I don't know which is worse, the imbecile that wrote this or the imbecile that quoted it.

    Although it has the fourth largest army in the world, the United Kindom
    They're not even fucking close.


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    From ruling the waves, to waiving the rules.

    Oh how times have changed.

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    ...^plagiarizing is a sin...

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    EU backs Britain in blaming Russia for spy attack


    BRUSSELS (Reuters) - European Union leaders backed Britain on Thursday in blaming Moscow over a nerve agent attack on a former Russian spy in England, raising the possibility of additional retaliatory steps by European countries.


    The solid show of support from the EU, at a time when Britain is grappling with its departure from the bloc, will boost Prime Minister Theresa May, who has been asking other nations to match her decision to expel Russians over the attack.



    In what will form the basis of a formal statement later on Thursday, the chairman of the EU leaders’ summit, Donald Tusk, said on Twitter that the bloc “agrees with UK government that [it is] highly likely Russia is responsible for the Salisbury attack and that there is no other plausible explanation.”


    May accused Russia of the first known offensive use of a nerve toxin in Europe since World War Two after Sergei Skripal, a former Russian double agent, and his daughter were found unconscious in the city of Salisbury on March 4.


    The attack has sparked tit-for-tat retaliatory action, with May’s decision to expel 23 Russian “undeclared intelligence officials” followed by similar measures from Moscow, including the closure of Britain’s cultural center in Russia’s second city of St Petersburg.


    Over a dinner of lamb, May called on EU leaders to work together to confront the challenge Russia presented, saying that the attack in Salisbury was “part of a wider pattern of behavior” by a country to thwart international norms.


    “Russia staged a brazen and reckless attack against the United Kingdom,” May told reporters in Brussels. “It’s clear that the Russian threat does not respect borders and indeed the incident in Salisbury was a pattern of Russian aggression against Europe and its near neighbors.”



    In the early days after the attack, May won the support of French President Emmanuel Macron, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and U.S. President Donald Trump when they said they shared Britain’s assessment of Russian culpability.


    But in Brussels, May had to convince more dovish states including Greece, Hungary and Bulgaria, that they should blame Russia squarely over the attack.


    RUSSIAN SPIES

    Tusk’s statement means they had been convinced, opening the way for EU leaders to discuss future “coordinated action”. Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaite said she was ready to expel Russian spies and diplomats said Poland could do so too.


    Both had held off to see who else would join.


    Slovakia’s new prime minister, Peter Pellegrini, said he wanted “constructive dialogue” with Russia despite the poisoning of the Skripals, who British authorities say have been critically ill since the attack by a Soviet-designed, military-grade nerve agent called Novichok.


    May has also asked fellow European leaders to step up intelligence cooperation to start going after Russian spy networks, diplomats said.


    “Britain says there are these networks that organize such things like Salisbury, that these networks exist across our borders and that it would be good to go after them together,” a senior EU diplomat said.


    Another diplomat said: “There is movement among several willing states to do something together in reaction to Skripal.” The person added this would be done by states individually, so as not to press more reluctant EU member states too hard.


    BEEF UP DEFENCES

    Russia has offered several different motives to explain the attack on the Skripals, who may have been left brain-damaged, and absolve Moscow of responsibility — something London labels disinformation and distraction.


    On Thursday, Moscow’s ambassador to London, Vladimir Yakovenko, said that, had Novichok been used, the Skripals would have died and he rebuked British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson for comparing Russia’s hosting of the soccer World Cup this summer with Nazi Germany’s hosting of the Olympics in 1936.


    In Moscow, President Vladimir Putin discussed Britain’s “unfriendly and provocative” policy at a session of the national security council, RIA news agency quoted the Kremlin as saying.


    Ties between Russia and the West plummeted over Moscow’s 2014 annexation of Crimea and support for rebels in eastern Ukraine. Both have triggered rounds of EU sanctions.


    A British official stressed that Britain was not seeking regime change in Russia, but that “Russia has shown itself as a strategic enemy, not a strategic partner”.


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKBN1GX3C9

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    How come the policeman recovered?


    Russian Novichok Developer Says There Is No Antidote so Sergei Skripal and His Daughter Will Die

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    How come the policeman recovered?

    Russian Novichok Developer Says There Is No Antidote so Sergei Skripal and His Daughter Will Die
    Or should it be understood that they are to die anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    How come the policeman recovered?
    Who said he "recovered"?

    The policeman who rushed to help poisoned Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter said his life will “never be the same” as he was released from hospital.
    Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey said he was now having to concentrate on rebuilding his life after suffering from the effects of the deadly nerve agent used to target Col Skripal, 66, and Yulia, 33, in Salisbury.
    The development came as a High Court judge gave doctors permission to take blood samples from the pair while they are still alive so that tests can be carried out by chemical weapons experts.
    The Skripals may have suffered permanent brain damage and their condition could “rapidly deteriorate,” tests have shown.
    As Bailey returned home following his ordeal, he said in a statement: “I recognise that ‘normal’ life for me will probably never be the same- and Sarah and I now need to focus on finding a new normal for us and for our children.”
    He added: “I have spent all my time since the incident really focusing on trying to get better and trying not to think about anything else.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...fe-will-never/

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Who said he "recovered"?
    They wouldn't have discharged him if he hadn't.


    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Nick Bailey said he was now having to concentrate on rebuilding his life after suffering from the effects of the deadly nerve agent
    May be the only person to still be alive after being subjected to a 'nerve agent' that there is no antidote for. Unbelievable. Whack jobs etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat
    "Knowing your post contains deliberate distortions is worse than the submission of mere inaccuracies because some errors only make readers angry while being misled destroys their trust." -Tomcat
    "Wot 'e said, innit" - Me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    A British official stressed that Britain was not seeking regime change in Russia
    Meanwhile, at home...

    Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance-theresa-may-shock-poll-tory-815962-a

    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Former Russian spy critically ill in Britain after exposure to unidentified substance-theresa-may-shock-poll-tory-815962-a  

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    EU backs Britain in blaming Russia for spy attack
    United we were, united we became again. Time for a new Brexit referendum now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    They wouldn't have discharged him if he hadn't.


    May be the only person to still be alive after being subjected to a 'nerve agent' that there is no antidote for. Unbelievable. Whack jobs etc etc.
    I think you're missing the point. I think the reason he said that "'normal’ life for me will probably never be the same" is because doctors have told him what he can expect.

    Before former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia collapsed on a park bench in Salisbury on 4 March, the only other person confirmed to suffer the effects of novichok was a young Soviet chemical weapons scientist.
    “Circles appeared before my eyes: red and orange. A ringing in my ears, I caught my breath. And a sense of fear: like something was about to happen,” Andrei Zheleznyakov told the now-defunct newspaper Novoye Vremya, describing the 1987 weapons lab incident that exposed him to a nerve agent that would eventually kill him. “I sat down on a chair and told the guys: ‘It’s got me.’”
    By 1992, when the interview was published, the nerve agent had gutted Zheleznyakov’s central nervous system. Less than a year later he was dead, after battling cirrhosis, toxic hepatitis, nerve damage and epilepsy.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...soned-novichok

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I think you're missing the point. I think the reason he said that "'normal’ life for me will probably never be the same" is because doctors have told him what he can expect.
    "'normal’ life for me will probably never be the same" because his face/name has been plastered over the news worldwide. Not because he suffered lasting medical problems from nerve agent contamination. He can't even go down to Tesco's with the wife and kids now without getting stared, and pointed, at. Normal life for him and his family is now fcuked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Normal life for him and his family is now fcuked.
    ...nonsense: once the stink of nerve gas fades and his twitching is within normal parameters, the worst that will happen is he'll be mistaken for a veteran...

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