The Korean Missile Crisis Thread

[Klondyke]

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Perhaps you can find your answers in the thread Airline News, three line downwards...

[Klondyke]

Putin: Military hysteria over N. Korea may lead to planetary catastrophe, heavy loss of life
Published time: 5 Sep, 2017

The examples of Iraq and Libya have convinced the North Korean leadership that only nuclear deterrence can protect them, so no sanctions can dissuade them, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.

Pyongyang will not relinquish its military program under pressure of sanctions and military threats, because the examples of Iraq and Libya have convinced it that nuclear deterrence is the only credible way to ensure its security, President Putin told journalists on Tuesday.

“Ramping up military hysteria in such conditions is senseless; it’s a dead end,” he added. “It could lead to a global, planetary catastrophe and a huge loss of human life. There is no other way to solve the North Korean nuclear issue, save that of peaceful dialogue.”

The 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq and the 2011 NATO intervention in Libya both came after the leaders of those countries submitted to international pressure and relinquished their programs of weapons of mass destruction in exchange for sanctions relief.

North Korea for its part chose confrontation with the world community, successfully developing nuclear weapons and currently, rapidly perfecting the means of their delivery.

“As I told my colleagues yesterday, they will eat grass but will not stop their program as long as they do not feel safe,” Putin said. “What can restore their security? The restoration of international law.”

read more
https://www.rt.com/news/402020-putin...-speaks-brics/

[jabir]

^ Blimey some common sense at last.

[naptownmike]

Not to sound overly selfish here, but if this escalates what happens to the flight I booked on Korean Air from D.C. to BKK with a stopover in Soul?

What I am interested in right now is the two business class tickets I have already purchased on Korean Air.

https://www.koreanair.com/content/ko...tml#contact-us

https://www.koreanair.com/content/ko...e-centers.html

Is it possible to exchange my mileage for a radiation suit?

My ticket is radioactive, can I change the booking?

How much will it cost to change my cancelled flight if Seoul is annihilated by a nuclear bomb?

Can I change other flights in my booking, as well as the cancelled flight as we circle around the mushroom cloud?

How many days do I have to live?

Can I cancel and refund my ticket if North Korea nukes South Korea?

If I change my booking from smoking to non-smoking and theres a nuclear explosion what happens to my seat?

If a nuclear bomb goes off, what happens to my request for a special dietary meal?

If I change my booking, what happens to the APIS information I have already provided, "holy shit a mushroom"

I've re-booked my cancelled flight: how do I check in wearing a Hazmat suit?

Can I upgrade my seat if all hell breaks loose on the Korean Peninsula?

What happens to my non-flight products (hotels, cars, tours and transfers) when Kim Jong Un nukes Tokyo?

Ha

Will my flight be delayed after the missile with a nuclear warhead lands?

[jabir]

If I cancel after the blast will my refund be subject to an admin fee?

[uncle junior]

we at war yet?

[David48atTD]

we at war yet?

No Uncle, we're not there yet.

[Klondyke]

^ Blimey some common sense at last.

It seems that the world population has been same stupid over the few thousands years, nothing has changed in their mentality.

What the poor people in Texas, California, Oregon, etc. do know about people in Afghanistan, Iraq, North Korea, etc., (not knowing what side of the world they are) that they have to go and fight them? Only that their heroic leaders tell them how bad the other people are.

"They hate us because we are free. Go and lay down your life for our freedom."

[jabir]

Not the sort of stuff people want to hear, which is why politicians lie by telling them they're smart rather than remarkably dumb.

[Klondyke]

PUTIN: “As I told my colleagues yesterday, they will eat grass but will not stop their program as long as they do not feel safe,” Putin said. “What can restore their security? The restoration of international law.”

[David48atTD]

PUTIN: “As I told my colleagues yesterday, they will eat grass but will not stop their program as long as they do not feel safe,” Putin said. “What can restore their security? The restoration of international law.”

China cutting their oil supply would drop Nth Korea's trousers

[buriramboy]

PUTIN: “As I told my colleagues yesterday, they will eat grass but will not stop their program as long as they do not feel safe,” Putin said. “What can restore their security? The restoration of international law.”

No need to be ashamed about agreeing with Putin as the guy generally speaks sense on most issues.

[OhOh]

Difficult to imagine the Chinese following a wingnut into a major war of aggression. Not much for them to gain and a lot to lose.

You maybe should look into what the Chinese/DPRK relationship is about, before suggesting a Chines response.

China cutting their oil supply would drop Nth Korea's trousers

You may wish to investigate what items are actually sanctioned now. Neither China or Russia will follow the ameristani way of exterminating unarmed men women and children, a la Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Sudan ......... and claim "it was worth it"

Russia and China together have suggested a solution. A denuclearised Korean peninsular along with the removal of ameristani weapons systems and personnel, coupled with an "agreement" where ameristan and it's vassals desist from threatening DPRK. The "agreement" will enable external countries continued strategic defensive protection to DPRK. Whether DPRK or ROK find it acceptable we will never know unless they talk to each other. The "agreement" may also be useful for Japan to extract itself from ameristani vassalage and rejoin it's Asian neighbours instead of remaining an ameristani puppet.

Has Ameristan reached it's "Suez" moment. It cannot continue as it has in the past. It's political, financial and military strengths are being exposed as an inadequate sham, it's political system inept in providing leadership to it's own citizens, let alone the world. It's current vassals may wish to review their oath of subservience.

The alternative offering from amerisanis golden haired boy of sanctions against any who continue to disobey his tweet. Where will that lead to? Ask Japan how did that country respond to similar demands?

Possibly Chinea is sanctioned and it's products are refused, Oil supply is blockaded by ameristan and it's vassals navies = China pain. China sells its ameristani bonds = world financial chaos. Russia is sanctioned as they supply China> DPRK with oil/gas/wheat/....... Russian pain. That is what is demanded by the golden haired dictator in white house.

[DrB0b]

PUTIN: “As I told my colleagues yesterday, they will eat grass but will not stop their program as long as they do not feel safe,” Putin said. “What can restore their security? The restoration of international law.”

China cutting their oil supply would drop Nth Korea's trousers

NK's oil consumption is about 15,000 barrels a day, which is next to nothing. Even if China did cut off the oil supply NK could easily fulfill its oil requirements by smuggling.

[cyrille]

NK not too much in need of oil...yeah that's a real shocker.

Ahead of their time...

[jabir]

Difficult to imagine the Chinese following a wingnut into a major war of aggression. Not much for them to gain and a lot to lose.

You maybe should look into what the Chinese/DPRK relationship is about before suggesting a Chines response.

I never posted what you 'quoted' or ever suggested the Chinese would blindly follow fatboy into war, so pls show where I did or confirm your creative juices got the better of you.

That said, my point throughout has been that the more one side has to lose the lower its threshold for acceptable losses; no science in that, or shouldn't be. In this respect the 'civilised' world has more to fear from fatboy than he from a noisy POTUS that everyone knows will end up at a table with mountains of rice and $$ behind him; he doesn't even need to threaten the US, Asia is enough to put the shits up anyone with a few brain cells.

The west has relatively simple choices, all with unknowable though negative consequences: assassination and regime change, they have form for this and it's easy enough to do though our glorious leaders would need as usual to dismiss or fantasise that the fallout could be managed more easily than other options; or a never mind collateral damage military option that once and for all entirely wipes out NKs capability and programme, making sure not to miss a silo or gas or bio storage facility and importantly before they can be deployed; either could get complicated because not even China knows how China would react to a US first strike; for all we know both teams of suits might already be discussing/negotiating this.

And if neither of these then accept that within a couple of years if not already, fatboy will have the capability to fire a nuclear weapon with enough accuracy and reliability to strike at very least a major Asian city if not the US west coast. And keep paying, and get used to increasingly belligerent war cries. Cost of procrastination+appeasement is a few more billions, for now, but again with a string of question marks from here on in...fex, fatboy gets some terminal illness and decides to teach a slow to learn world that appeasement also has its risks...never been there before, have we?

[birding]

There you go the reason for it all :

Trump agrees to sell South Korea arms worth billions of dollars as threat from North grows | The Independent

Peace and reasoned negotiation does not sell weapons ramping up the threats from manufactured enemies is whats needed.

Oh yea Japan is also buying more US weapons :

Donald Trump: Japan and South Korea can buy 'substantially' more sophisticated US military equipment | The Independent

[HermantheGerman]

There you go the reason for it all :

Trump agrees to sell South Korea arms worth billions of dollars as threat from North grows | The Independent

Peace and reasoned negotiation does not sell weapons ramping up the threats from manufactured enemies is whats needed.

Oh yea Japan is also buying more US weapons :

Donald Trump: Japan and South Korea can buy 'substantially' more sophisticated US military equipment | The Independent

And in the mean time military spending is sky rocketing in Asia (can you smell the $€$ to be made ). China thought they can get away with their tip toeing tactics of building up their military without anyone noticing.

THANK YOU NORTH KOREA !

Defense Stock Roundup: Stocks Gain as North Korea Attacks Japan, COL-UTX Nears Merger

...AND CHINA !

[HermantheGerman]

NK's oil consumption is about 15,000 barrels a day, which is next to nothing. Even if China did cut off the oil supply NK could easily fulfill its oil requirements by smuggling.

Jeezuz, meaning with only 15,000 barrels a day and only 2x oil refineries, they will run out of oil before the war begins.
General Bum-Bum Song might not even make it to the battlefield. Maybe the Enlighten supreme leader can call a time-out.

[Klondyke]

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[Klondyke]

If Dennis Rodman can why not Trump?

North Korea: Dennis Rodman talks good friend Kim Jong-un 'we laugh, we sing karaoke'

S BASKETBALL legend Dennis Rodman has spoken of how he enjoys singing karaoke and riding horses with his friend Kim Jong-un when he visits North Korea.
Sep 6, 2017

The sportsman, 56, told Good Morning Britain host Piers Morgan he would like to “straighten things out” between enemy nations North Korea and the US.

The 56-year-old has paid several visits to secretive dictator Kim in the hermit republic - however the pair have never discussed politics.

Instead they simply hang out as friends, he said.

North Korea: Kim Jong-un's friend Dennis Rodman says 'we laugh, we sing karaoke' together | World | News | Express.co.uk

[Wilsonandson]

Rare aerial footage of North Korean capital Pyongyang shows a city full of skyscrapers but streets largely empty of cars and people.

Despite the city supposedly providing a home to 2.58 million people it is hard to pick out many vehicles or pedestrians in the footage shot by plane passing over head.

But the footage also shows plenty of skyscrapers, modern highways, and later on small rows of houses set in vast rolling hills.

It was shot by Singaporean Aram Pan who was given permission to film for a project aiming to showcase North Korea.

Footage and pictures documenting life in North Korean are rare.

Read more: Rare aerial footage shows empty streets of North Korea | Metro News

[Klondyke]

From the height of 3,000m is not the best way to see the people and to know something about them.
Why not to watch some unbiassed reports that do not necessarily look for some horrible conditions (that can be seen in our developed world as well, anyway )

Swiss filmer Marc Wolfensberger spent on ground some time, here e.g.:
https://www.channel4.com/news/welcom...i-resort-video

And here he speaks to Jon Snow about his impressions:
https://www.channel4.com/news/filmin...-q-and-a-video

[OhOh]

Is the golden haired boy acknowledging his weak position.



Military action against DPRK not inevitable: Trump - Xinhua | English.news.cn

Trump: 'Nothing is inevitable' on N Korea

President Donald Trump said Thursday he would prefer to address the ongoing crisis with North Korea without military force, saying a confrontation on the peninsula is not 'inevitable'.
Trump warned, however, that should the U.S. pursue a military recourse it would "be a very sad day for North Korea.
"Hopefully we’re not going to have to use it on North Korea," he said during a joint press conference at the White House with Kuwaiti Emir Jaber al-Ahmad al-Sabah."

Looks like the South Koreans have made their position clear to their government.Not any "white helmets" around so it may be fake.

https://www.rt.com/in-motion/402374-...t-taad-launch/



"Protesters rallied in the South Korean small farming village of Soseong-ri on Thursday against the THAAD missile defense system’s presence in the country. Local police tried to clear the protesters from the road. South Korea and the US added four more launchers to the contentious missile defense system on the same day. The addition of these remaining launchers completes the deployment of a THAAD system against a potential N. Korean attack. On Wednesday, a similar demonstration was held by hundreds of activists in the country’s province of Gyeongsangbuk, where dozens of people were injured in clashes with police."

[OhOh]

I never posted what you 'quoted'

My apologies, the quote is from the post above your post 440, from "Uncle Junior".

TD Gremlins everywhere it seems.