The Korean Missile Crisis Thread

[Neo]

Neo, you are revealing yourself as a sad excuse for an argumentarian. I thought you were better than this.

I have put forward an argument about why US military action against NK is justified.

NK is a rogue nation. Rogue nations should not have access to nuclear weapons. As unpleasant as war is sometimes there is no alternative. The Chinese could defuse this situation very quickly by doing the right thing and suffocating the regime economically (since China accounts for 90% of NK's international trade) but they seem reticent to do this. That makes China complicit in any ensuing conflagration.

You don't seem to like this suggestion but it seems that you can't say why.

The conclusion everyone reading this thread must come to is that you simply don't have a counter-argument.

Jfk what a waste of bandwidth that post was... I'm sure it would have been quicker for you to post some examples of NK receiving economic concessions from the West.

Oh wait... there aren't any.

[Neo]

And what the fuck is an argumentarian.?

[Neo]

And please define 'rogue nation' you keep throwing that one out there but I have a feeling you really don't have a clue about its meaning or associations.

[Cold Pizza]

It's typical contingency training but still....

'Don't move or I'll shoot' - China teaching Korean to soldiers on N. Korean border

Posted : 2017-05-03

By Lee Han-soo

Chinese soldiers stationed along the North Korean border are learning Korean in case North Koreans cross the border to flee any U.S. attacks, according to a Japanese news outlet Tuesday.

The Yomiuri Shimbun said the soldiers are memorizing phrases such as "Stop" or "Don't move or I'll shoot" in Korean, citing sources familiar with China's People's Liberation Army (PLA).

'Don't move or I'll shoot' - China teaching Korean to soldiers on N. Korean border

[Looper]

And please define 'rogue nation' you keep throwing that one out there but I have a feeling you really don't have a clue about its meaning or associations.

When I call NK a rogue nation I am referring to their reclusiveness, belligerence, overeagerness to issue threats of bombing civilians with nuclear weapons and their willingness to starve their population to fund an overweight defence force. But most of all I am referring to their pursuit of a nuclear weapons program when the world is trying to wind back on these and when NK makes no secret of its desire to use these weapons as soon as possible on a civilian population (whether this is bluff and bluster or genuine psychosis is not relevant, the mere fact that they are willing to make the threat is bad enough).

The regime is bad news for its people and for the rest of the world. They are a rogue nation. Did I really need to spell that out for you are are you just wasting bandwidth?

Rogue nations should not have nuclear weapons. This is kindergarten stuff and should not need spelled out.

If a nation like NK, which issues threats to bomb civilian populations with nuclear missiles at the earliest opportunity, is found to be developing a nuclear weapons capability then it should be stopped. It seems strange that this obvious stuff even needs to be explained to you.

Economic sanctions have proved ineffective since China continues to trade clandestinely and openly with NK. Economic sanctions by China could still work but time is running out as allowing NK to develop a viable nuclear ICBM system is not an option. If war becomes necessary then it is because other avenues have been exhausted and China can be held primarily responsible.

[OhOh]

I sometimes wonder if it's Washington DC/USA that is the client state of "The City" and is merely just the mouthpiece(and military enforcer) for the policies decided in the 'Square Mile'.

The "Square Mile is where the "Corporations of London" reside. Outside of the UK legal authorities.

Lizzie still has her own Corporations Agreements under lock and Key in Balmoral. She still owns most of ameristan and takes her annual tribute in audited gold bars, allegedly.

Final warning? China issued 'last warning' to N. Korea over nukes: Chinese social media

The source is a South Korean MSM and was issued 2 weeks ago. Some "facts" you and others here fail to illustrate. To make a point or muddy the waters? Seems a foolish enterprise but some here want to chew the same bone to break the monotony of their lives.

[SKkin]

The source is a South Korean MSM and was issued 2 weeks ago. Some "facts" you and others here fail to illustrate. To make a point or muddy the waters? Seems a foolish enterprise but some here want to chew the same bone to break the monotony of their lives.

The social media part was abuzz this week...

from my link above(post #141):

Posts on May 2 saying China sent its last warning to North Korea over nuclear tests have gone viral. / Screen capture from Weibo

Whether it was two weeks ago or this week, personally I think this supposed "final warning" is about as valid as was concern about crossing an Obama red line.

Maybe I want to chew a bone to bring some monotony into my life because I'd like to forget about some of the crazy bullshit that's entered into it lately uninvited...at least for a little while. IMO monotony is underrated.

The "Square Mile is where the "Corporations of London" reside. Outside of the UK legal authorities.

Lizzie still has her own Corporations Agreements under lock and Key in Balmoral.

Why do you think I even brought it up? As I understand it the "Crown Corporation" has nothing to do with Lizzie. If there's any gold tribute she isn't getting it.

The Queen refers to the City of London Corporation as the ‘Firm’ but it is known as The CROWN (not representing the Royalty of Britain). Buckingham Palace is in London but not in the City of London and the City is not part of England.

There are three major modern city states that reside outside of the legal authorities(or are separate from) of the countries in which they are located..."The City" aka "Square Mile"(finance), Wash. DC(military), Vatican City(religion).

[HermantheGerman]

You are the decider of which countries are rogue?

Rogue state is a controversial term applied by some international theorists to states they consider threatening to the world's peace. This means meeting certain criteria, such as being ruled by authoritarian regimes that severely restrict human rights, sponsor terrorism, and seek to proliferate weapons of mass destruction.

None of the above ?

[harrybarracuda]

US house backs new sanctions against North Korea
05/05/2017 - 06:38:46

The Republican-led US House of Representatives has overwhelmingly voted to impose new sanctions on North Korea, targeting its shipping industry and use of slave labour.

Members approved the measure 419-1 as tensions continued to mount over Pyongyang's advancing nuclear and ballistic missile programmes.

Admiral Harry Harris Jr, the top American military officer in the Pacific, has warned it is a question of when, not if, North Korea successfully builds a nuclear-tipped missile capable of striking the US.

The Senate must take up the measure next.

The bipartisan legislation is aimed at thwarting North Korea's ambitions by cutting off access to the cash the regime needs to follow through with its plans.

The measure is sponsored by Rep Ed Royce of California, the Republican chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, and Rep Eliot Engel of New York, the committee's senior Democrat.

The bill bars ships owned by North Korea or by countries that refuse to comply with UN resolutions against it from operating in American waters or docking at US ports. Goods produced by North Korea's forced labour would be prohibited from entering the United States, according to the legislation.

Anyone who uses slave labour that North Korea exports to other countries would be subject to sanctions under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, the bill states. At times when the nation is facing unusual or extraordinary threats, the President has wide authority under the law, including the power to block or prohibit transactions involving property located in the US.

Mr Royce said companies from Senegal to Qatar to Angola import North Korean workers, who send their salary back to Pyongyang, earning the regime billions of dollars in hard currency each year

"This is money that Kim Jong-un uses to advance his nuclear and missile programme, and also pay his generals, buying their loyalty to his brutal regime," he said. "That is what the high-level defectors that I meet with say. So let's squeeze his purse."

The bill also requires the Trump administration to determine within 90 days whether North Korea is a state sponsor of terrorism. Such a designation would trigger more sanctions, including restrictions on US foreign assistance.

In a separate but related move, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson pressed South-East Asian governments during a working lunch to ensure "leak-proof" enforcement of sanctions against North Korea and to prevent the pariah nation's diplomats from conducting business that could benefit its weapons programmes.

Mr Tillerson called on foreign ministers of the 10-nation Association of South-East Asian Nations, or ASEAN, to "minimise" diplomatic relations with Pyongyang, "so that North Korea does not gain benefit from its diplomatic channels for its nuclear and missile aspirations," senior State Department official Patrick Murphy said after Thursday's meeting at the State Department.

That was the latest salvo in the Trump administration's push to get the international community to intensify diplomatic and economic pressure on North Korea to dismantle its nuclear weapons programme before it can pose a direct threat to the American mainland.

Last weekend, a North Korean mid-range ballistic missile apparently failed shortly after launch, the third test-fire failure this month but a clear message of defiance. North Korean ballistic missile tests are banned by the United Nations because they are seen as part of the North's push for a nuclear-tipped missile that can hit the US mainland.

The launch comes as both sides in the escalating crisis are flexing their military muscle. President Donald Trump has sent a nuclear-powered submarine and the USS Carl Vinson carrier strike group to Korean waters. North Korea last week conducted large-scale, live-fire exercises on its eastern coast.

The US and South Korea are installing a missile defence system and their two navies are staging joint military drills.
- AP

US house backs new sanctions against North Korea | BreakingNews.ie

[Klondyke]

You are the decider of which countries are rogue?

Rogue state is a controversial term applied by some international theorists to states they consider threatening to the world's peace. This means meeting certain criteria, such as being ruled by authoritarian regimes that severely restrict human rights, sponsor terrorism, and seek to proliferate weapons of mass destruction.

None of the above ?

Quite puzzled what country are you referring to?

[Neo]

There some fucking rogue opinions in this thread... totally fucking clueless

[OhOh]

The Republican-led US House of Representatives has overwhelmingly voted to impose new sanctions on North Korea, targeting its shipping industry and use of slave labour.

More sanctions, they seem to do nothing to change the countries positions on anything. They may starve a few to death, freeze to death or die of horrible diseases. Similar to the Iraqi sanctions. I'm sure some ameristani citizen or politician will believe "It's worth it"

You seem to have missed the most important part:

"The President shall report to Congress regarding: (1) measures to deny specialized financial messaging services to U.N.-designated North Korean financial institutions, (2) foreign countries whose seaports and airports fail to inspect or seize the cargo of North Korean ships or aircraft as required by Security Council resolutions, (3) North Korea-Iran weapons and nuclear cooperation, (4) foreign government implementation of Security Council resolutions regarding North Korea, and (5) whether North Korea is a state sponsor of terrorism."

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...ouse-bill/1644

Looks like a declaration of war against any country daring to ignore clause 2.

[Klondyke]

Sanctions? Similarly like the assassination plots, how had it worked for Cuba for over 50 years?

[Dragonfly]

definition of insanity

keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result

The Americans are insane

[HermantheGerman]

Quite puzzled what country are you referring to?

I'll give you a hint. It's not the country of :

SK Hynix

Shinhan Financial Group

Samsung Life Insurance

Hyundai Heavy Industries

LG Chem

Hyundai Mobis

Kia Motors

POSCO

Hyundai Motor

Samsung Electronics

[HermantheGerman]

There some fucking rogue opinions in this thread... totally fucking clueless

You know what is rogue ? When you don't have a Galaxy 8 to voice your opinion !!!

Or at least a Nokia 3210

[OhOh]

it seems a pro North Korean candidate has been elected president of South Korea.

"Newly-elected South Korean President Moon Jae-in said Wednesday he is ready to engage in "sincere negotiations" with both the United States and China in an attempt to resolve the issue of the Terminal-High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) deployment in the Asian nation."

https://sputniknews.com/asia/2017051...haad-us-china/


A unified Korea in the SCO is my bet. Bye bye ameristani military and missile bases. An isolated Japan.

All good for Asians.

[Looper]

^Hey OhOh you have never told us what is behind your rabid pro-China fanaticism.

Just curious - is it just the usual hatred of all things merkin that some people seem to suffer from or is there something else behind it?

[Hugh Cow]

Before the shooting starts can our American friends give me some investment advice. Should I invest in Northrop, Lockheed, General Dynamics? The more death and destruction in the world, the more these companies thrive. What a great way to make money!

[Klondyke]

Before the shooting starts can our American friends give me some investment advice. Should I invest in Northrop, Lockheed, General Dynamics? The more death and destruction in the world, the more these companies thrive. What a great way to make money!

They surely would like to give money on other programs, as e.g. Food Stamps. However, the bad guys (roguees) force them to sacrifise their money on other "good" purposes. How generous from them...

[Cold Pizza]

Before the shooting starts can our American friends give me some investment advice. Should I invest in Northrop, Lockheed, General Dynamics? The more death and destruction in the world, the more these companies thrive. What a great way to make money!

Don't forget United Technologies.

I'm long on them.

[Neo]

^Hey OhOh you have never told us what is behind your rabid pro-China fanaticism.

Just curious - is it just the usual hatred of all things merkin that some people seem to suffer from or is there something else behind it?

He reports that SK now has a new leader willing to talk and that unification may be a possibility in the distant future, defusing a geo political situation that has caused tension for the last 50 years.. and all you can say in reply that he's a rabid pro China fanatic.!

I didn't want to say it before, I thought I would humour you, but your an absolute fucking moron that knows fuck all about politics and history.

Stick to what you do best and go and be a pervert on the beach with your camera.

[HermantheGerman]

Just curious - is it just the usual hatred of all things merkin that some people seem to suffer from or is there something else behind it?

He reports that SK now has a new leader willing to talk and that unification may be a possibility in the distant future, defusing a geo political situation that has caused tension for the last 50 years.. and all you can say in reply that he's a rabid pro China fanatic.!

I didn't want to say it before, I thought I would humour you, but your an absolute fucking moron that knows fuck all about politics and history.
[/quote]

Only a moron quotes a report from a Russian news agency called "Sputnik" . Reminds me again of TASS and the great reports of the Soviet achievements

Now here are some real quotes Sputnik left out, of course not on purpose.
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And while he has expressed a desire to mend fences with China and has doubts about a US missile shield installed in his country, to the consternation of Beijing, he has not said he will remove it and has promised to consult the US on any talks with Pyongyang.
He has even said he is "on the same page" as Mr Trump.

Fortunately, Mr Moon, born in a refugee camp to parents who fled from the North during the Korean War, is unlikely to be a pushover.

“The alliance with the United States is and will always be the foundation of our diplomacy and national security,” Mr. Moon was quoted as telling Mr. Trump.

During his campaign, Mr. Moon said he would review the deployment, a stance he reaffirmed as president.
“I will engage in sincere negotiations with the United States and China to find a solution to the Thaad problem,” he said.
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Does this sound like the Ameristani camps are going to close and Japan is isolated.
Your right, someone here knows fuck all about politics

[Cold Pizza]

Just curious - is it just the usual hatred of all things merkin that some people seem to suffer from or is there something else behind it?

He reports that SK now has a new leader willing to talk and that unification may be a possibility in the distant future, defusing a geo political situation that has caused tension for the last 50 years.. and all you can say in reply that he's a rabid pro China fanatic.!

Reminds me of the "Sunshine policy," a warming of relations with NK and giving NK free stuff, from a former SK President in the 90s.

It failed.

[Looper]

^Hey OhOh you have never told us what is behind your rabid pro-China fanaticism.

Just curious - is it just the usual hatred of all things merkin that some people seem to suffer from or is there something else behind it?

He reports that SK now has a new leader willing to talk and that unification may be a possibility in the distant future, defusing a geo political situation that has caused tension for the last 50 years.. and all you can say in reply that he's a rabid pro China fanatic.!

I didn't want to say it before, I thought I would humour you, but your an absolute fucking moron that knows fuck all about politics and history.

Stick to what you do best and go and be a pervert on the beach with your camera.

Thankyou Neo perhaps I should have explained that querying OhOh's curious continual Chinese cheerleading was based on the reference in his post to

A unified Korea in the SCO is my bet.

I almost skimmed over this reference to the mysterious 'SCO' but decided to do a quick google and came up with the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation which seems to be some kind of cheap Chinese counterfeit copy of Nato.

So it seemed that OhOh was taking his usual Chinese-centric view of the NK shenanigans and optimistically viewing it as an opportunity for the slimy chinks to increase their sphere of influence in the region.

I hope this explanation is satisfactory and I apologise for not making this clear in my original post



So anyway OhOH, back to the question... what is behind your rabid frothing sinophilia?

Dont be shy, you are among friends on the DOOR!