The Korean Missile Crisis Thread

[cyrille]

What is there in the post you quoted that is about NK 'getting more free shit'?

Re-read it.

You have not followed this topic for 20+ years like I have and i worked with South Koreans for 6 (painful) years.

If only that suggested a level of knowledge.

Just like the "Sunshine Policy."

Sunshine Policy failed because GWB pulled the legs off it when he pulled the US support for jt. It had been going well and gaining ground til that point.

I disagree completely.

This isn't really how discussion is supposed to go, snaff...

"I know and you don't"

"I disagree completely"

[Cold Pizza]

What is there in the post you quoted that is about NK 'getting more free shit'?

Re-read it.

You have not followed this topic for 20+ years like I have and i worked with South Koreans for 6 (painful) years.

If only that suggested a level of knowledge.

Just like the "Sunshine Policy."

Sunshine Policy failed because GWB pulled the legs off it when he pulled the US support for jt. It had been going well and gaining ground til that point.

I disagree completely.

This isn't really how discussion is supposed to go, snaff...

"I know and you don't"

"I disagree completely"

And your posts are any better than the above examples?

Here is one of many articles on the "Sunshine" policy by Reuters.


NOVEMBER 18, 2010
Sunshine Policy failed to change North Korea: report
Ronald Popeski

North Koreans take part in a parade to commemorate the 65th anniversary of the founding of the Workers' Party of Korea in Pyongyang October 10, 2010, in this picture released by North Korea's KCNA news agency on Sunday.

SEOUL (Reuters) - South Korea's peaceful "Sunshine Policy" toward North Korea failed, a government report has found, saying there have been no positive changes to Pyongyang's behavior despite a decade of mass aid and encouragement.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-k...6AH12520101118

[fred flintstone]

^the guy who cancelled the program put out a report that it didn't work....that's some fine googlin

[Cold Pizza]

^the guy who cancelled the program put out a report that it didn't work....that's some fine googlin

It was cancelled b/c it did not work and secondly, then-President Dae-Jung was additionally sending secret payments and goods under the table.

There are many articles on the failure of the sunshine policy.

Google is your friend.

[fred flintstone]

There are many articles on the failure of the sunshine policy.

Any evidence of the success of the policy in place since 2008?

[Cold Pizza]

There are many articles on the failure of the sunshine policy.

Any evidence of the success of the policy in place since 2008?

There is no successful policy regarding, NK, except for dissuading an attack / war.

Giving free shit only is giving to the military first policy.

NK sunk a boat a couple / few years ago that killed 48 South Koreans.

[fred flintstone]

There is no successful policy regarding, NK

The split families that have had reunions would disagree with that.

[Cold Pizza]

There is no successful policy regarding, NK

The split families that have had reunions would disagree with that.

Stop pretending you know what's going on.

[wasabi]

I've watched another documentary on N. Korea and they all seem to have the same theme, it's mostly young girls in uniform all behaving like robots.

[OhOh]

it's mostly young girls in uniform all behaving like robots.

I'm sure they look around at other Asians "publicity" and realise that's what the western bloc likes to see.

Others show a caring, prosperous and happy society.

Any evidence of the success of the policy in place since 2008?

The DPRK have "indicated" they will defend their citizens, their society and their country to the best of their abilities.

Recalling the invasions and now sanctioning, of countries who did believe in international agreements signed by the G6, they have concluded that ameristan once again fails to live up to it's UNSC promises and legal agreements and hence have acted in their own interests. They have also noted that when ameristan places illegal sanctions/acts of war on a country, they also threaten illegally their vassal states, if they don't act in the same vein. Unexceptional, expected developments. Whats new?

There are many articles on the failure of the sunshine policy.

With some suggesting the western bloc was at fault and others suggesting it was the DPRK's.

All available, as you say, online.

[Klondyke]

Billions Could Die If India and Pakistan Start a Nuclear War
July 21, 2017
(no sanctions necessary?)

With the world’s attention firmly fixated on North Korea, the greatest possibility of nuclear war is in fact on the other side of Asia.

That place is what could be called the nuclear triangle of Pakistan, India and China. Although Chinese and Indian forces are currently engaged in a standoff, traditionally the most dangerous flashpoint along the triangle has been the Indo-Pakistani border. The two countries fought three major wars before acquiring nuclear weapons, and one minor one afterwards. And this doesn’t even include the countless other armed skirmishes and other incidents that are a regular occurrence.

Billions Could Die If India and Pakistan Start a Nuclear War | The National Interest Blog

[OhOh]

^Both recently joining SCO may allow both to reconsider their historic problems.

[Klondyke]

64 years after Korean War, North still digging up bombs
Associated Press July 24, 2017

The three-year Korean War, which ended in what was supposed to be a temporary armistice on July 27, 1953, was one of the most brutal ever fought.

Virtually all of the 22 major cities in North Korea were severely damaged and hundreds of thousands of civilians killed by U.S. saturation bombing. The tonnage of bombs dropped on the North was about the same as the total dropped by the U.S. against Japan during World War II. North Korea is probably second only to Cambodia as the most heavily bombed country in history.

By 1952, the bombing was so complete that the U.S. Air Force had effectively run out of worthwhile targets.

North Koreans claim 400,000 bombs were dropped on Pyongyang alone, roughly one bomb for every resident at the time, and that only two modern buildings in the capital were left standing. All told, the U.S. dropped 635,000 tons of bombs on Korea during the war, most of it in the North, including with 32,500 tons of napalm.

Twelve to 15 percent of the North's population was killed in the war.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/64-ye...034640538.html

[Cold Pizza]

^ The "carpet bombing" of NK is common knowledge.

The North attacked / invaded first and started the war.

Absolutely no sympathy from me.

The got what they deserved.

[Klondyke]

The North attacked / invaded first and started the war.

"Invaded" does not mean necessary "attacked" and "started" the war. The war has started very easily. There is always a reason to start a war, isn't it?

After all, the country was theirs, of Koreans.

That did not mean that some 40,000 US (?) soldiers had to die - how many millions of Koreans? (can be disputed) - and the country totally destroyed.

Surely a kind help to people - and a good help to the world peace...

And the country divided for generations, and problems for all others around - and for some not so close around...

Who is paying the(15) US bases (40,000 men?) there for 60 years?

If Vietnam and Germany had not been unified - without contribution of the Western powers - and to their dismay - it would still be a huge problem with them...

[birding]

64 years after Korean War, North still digging up bombs
Associated Press July 24, 2017

The three-year Korean War, which ended in what was supposed to be a temporary armistice on July 27, 1953, was one of the most brutal ever fought.

Virtually all of the 22 major cities in North Korea were severely damaged and hundreds of thousands of civilians killed by U.S. saturation bombing. The tonnage of bombs dropped on the North was about the same as the total dropped by the U.S. against Japan during World War II. North Korea is probably second only to Cambodia as the most heavily bombed country in history.

By 1952, the bombing was so complete that the U.S. Air Force had effectively run out of worthwhile targets.

North Koreans claim 400,000 bombs were dropped on Pyongyang alone, roughly one bomb for every resident at the time, and that only two modern buildings in the capital were left standing. All told, the U.S. dropped 635,000 tons of bombs on Korea during the war, most of it in the North, including with 32,500 tons of napalm.

Twelve to 15 percent of the North's population was killed in the war.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/64-ye...034640538.html

UN (not US) bomb disposal teams are still working in Lao and Cambodia attempting to clean up the mess left in another attempt to stop the spread of communism.

[Cold Pizza]

The North attacked / invaded first and started the war.

"Invaded" does not mean necessary "attacked" and "started" the war. The war has started very easily. There is always a reason to start a war, isn't it?

North Korea invaded on a Sunday, and came close to reaching the southern end of the South Korean peninsula.

A very good book called "The Coldest Winter" by David Halberstam was written about 10 years ago.

After all, the country was theirs, of Koreans.

This is an excuse to invade?

That did not mean that some 40,000 US (?) soldiers had to die

A little over 30,000

Who is paying the(15) US bases (40,000 men?) there for 60 years?

A thing called Google:
How much do allies pay for U.S. troops? A lot more than Donald Trump says - LA Times

[Klondyke]

Quote:
After all, the country was theirs, of Koreans.
This is an excuse to invade?

Invasion in their own country?

[misskit]

^ By that thinking, South Korea could decide to invade the North to reunite and it would be ok.

[OhOh]

OK to whom, I suspect the DPRK military would defend their legal portion of Korea.

[Klondyke]

Why the Koreans had to suffer an occupation after the war? In addition to their centuries suffering under Japanese?

Why the Korea was divided? And who draw the DMZ line? In SK the people also had not been happy under the occupation after the war. How many had to die again?

The answers are never black and white. Are the millions of dead Koreans ever remembered like other victims of the war?

If the McDouglas had not be urgently removed from the Korean war command the world could experience another nuke...

And on the other side of the world there was another big general who also had to be quickly removed after the end of war. Some claims that the "removal" was a joint action of the two superpowers (conspiration?)

[fred flintstone]

MacArthur..........they had to suffer an occupation because there was no gov't, better question might be why did the US allow Stalin so much leeway.

[Wilsonandson]

*****BREAKING NEWS*****

[Wilsonandson]

CNN says experts believe it is a long range missile that has a 10,000 mile range capability.

[Wilsonandson]