Thread: NZ asks US embassy staffer to leave

Originally Posted by birding

He will also have some explaining to do to his wife who may well add to his tally of black eyes.

Especially if he got tangled up with a local wahine.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Simply saying "He has immunity. End of story" does not address my point about what should have happened.

What you think "should have happened" means nothing to anyone but you. What "did happen" is a diplomat had full immunity and his government refused to waive it.

I repeat: End of story.

That's the same as Trumpeteers saying, "He won. End of story".
It's not end of story. There is commentary to make.

Originally Posted by birding

the real point and question which applies to any country is should diplomatic immunity be invoked when a diplomat breaks the law in a foreign country.

All diplomats are expected to obey the laws of the countries they work in and if they break these laws wherever they may be they should be able to be held accountable to the country they are in.

That is the commentary I'm talking about.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

Originally Posted by Neverna

But what did White do? It would seem more than just receive a pummeling.

an offence for which the penalty is a term of imprisonment of 12 months or more

No idea; but this might qualify: Crimes Act 1961 No 43 (as at 01 March 2017), Public Act 2 Interpretation ? New Zealand Legislation

Might qualify as what?

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

I really is a fucking idiot.

It's a list of terms with their meanings.

Why don't you not read it, and ignore the part about 7-years for assault? Go on...

^^Fine, then work to change international law. This case is over. As is my attempt (failed) to explain it to you.

The one thing I do find strange about this "case" is that no 'victim' has come forward. New Zealand is a semi-civilized country, presumably with the same slavering press scum as other countries. If this alleged offense involved another person, while the two governments might stay silent, I would think the 'victim' would be all over the equivalent of the Daily Mail, seeking compensation, 15 minutes of fame, or both.

Unless it was a loud, drunken domestic, and the 'victim' left the country with hubby.

En Zed.

A Semi-Civilised country.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

.... a loud, drunken domestic, and the 'victim' left the country with hubby.

That sounds closer to the bone.

Originally Posted by thaimeme

En Zed.

A Semi-Civilised country.

In some parts.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

The one thing I do find strange about this "case" is that no 'victim' has come forward. New Zealand is a semi-civilized country, presumably with the same slavering press scum as other countries. If this alleged offense involved another person, while the two governments might stay silent, I would think the 'victim' would be all over the equivalent of the Daily Mail, seeking compensation, 15 minutes of fame, or both.

Unless it was a loud, drunken domestic, and the 'victim' left the country with hubby.

Or the "victim" left the country with his missus and his tail between his legs.

And the assailant has no-one left to testify against him.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Unless it was a loud, drunken domestic, and the 'victim' left the country with hubby.

Speculation is OK. Not quite the end of the story.

I made the point about the victim/other party/assailant in post 56...

Doubt it was his wife. Police wouldn't have pushed this without a complainant, and there is no way a NSA staffer's wife on a posting would give evidence against her husband without which the Kiwis wouldn't have had a case to make such a diplomatic fuss over.

I wonder what sort of shape his car was in - getting pissed as a fart and driving it into a tree without wearing a seat belt after colliding with fuck knows what en route and then staggering away leaving the scene of an accident is a bit naughty and might have caused his injuries.

CaptainNemo of course remains an idiot.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

^There's been nothing to support his being an NSA employee other than speculation from a TV news source.

I disagree, there are several reasonable grounds to make such a deduction - specific speculation has already appeared in the public domain which could only have come from a police source frustrated at not being able to prosecute, his accredited status as a 'technical attaché ' which is a typical cover description for such folk and of course the fact that the embassy have within a day or so already decided without any apparent discussion with the State Dept back in the US decided not to waive immunity, a step which clearly indicates the decison was a policy move already established within existing protocols i.e. posted NSA staff never, ever get hung out to dry and have their immunity waived under any circumstances.

Davis, you need to loosen your girdle a bit.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

I disagree, there are several reasonable grounds to make such a deduction - specific speculation has already appeared in the public domain which could only have come from a police source frustrated at not being able to prosecute, his accredited status as a 'technical attaché ' which is a typical cover description for such folk and of course the fact that the embassy have within a day or so already decided without any apparent discussion with the State Dept back in the US decided not to waive immunity, a step which clearly indicates the decison was a policy move already established within existing protocols i.e. posted NSA staff never, ever get hung out to dry and have their immunity waived under any circumstances.
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Sorry. All speculative. "Speculation" has appeared in the public domain. No evidence at all this "speculation" came from a police source. "Technical Attache" can mean IT guy, Admin officer, or many other things. You have absolutely no way of knowing that the decision "was made without any apparent discussion with the State Dept.", which would/could never happen. You, of course, are more than free to "speculate", but that's all you're doing.

Oh, c' mon Davis, don' t be so obtuse, who else did the info come from if it was not the police. The neighbours because the staffer likes to talk about his work at the BBQ, the embassy press officer who of course discloses everything to the press because he is a fucking compulsive Tourette's sufferer and is compelled to tell the truth, or perhaps the staffer and his wife just had a chat with a passing reporter, or maybe his mates out of the office were having a jar in the local boozer and we're talking about it so everyone in the bar could hear???

Someone in the police department has been indiscreet, clearly, and that someone may well regret it

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Someone in the police department has been indiscreet, clearly, and that someone may well regret it.

Quite possible, but still nothing other than speculation. You don't have a clue, nor do I. And those who know aren't talking.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

As Davis says, no way of knowing.

Which unfortunately allows every tom dick and HARRY an opportunity to speculate.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It was probably just a domestic with some embarrassing words used.

They get 12 months of more in NZ for illegal cooking, or was he cooking something else whilst the house owner was away .........

Politically important or embarrassing words? Get your hackers onto it harry.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

As Davis says, no way of knowing.

Which unfortunately allows every tom dick and HARRY an opportunity to speculate.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It was probably just a domestic with some embarrassing words used.

They get 12 months of more in NZ for illegal cooking, or was he cooking something else whilst the house owner was away .........

Politically important or embarrassing words? Get your hackers onto it harry.

He probably called the wife's Maori boyfriend a "nigger" or a "sheepshagger" or something, and got a leathering for his trouble.

They wouldn't really want that getting out, would they?