UK to accept at least 10,000 Syrian refugees

The refugees are fleeing the Assad regime as much as they are fleeing ISIS. Both groups have committed terrible atrocities against the civilian population. The question is who to bomb first?

One of the biggest obstacles we face in defeating ISIS is overcoming their Turkish mates. A supposed NATO country the Turks continually allow ISIS terrorists safe passage through their land. The fact that Turkey are now attacking the Kurds who are the only effective fighting force currently engaging ISIS proves that they are one of the biggest obstacles to peace in the Middle East

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his Tory-supporting Paddy is worth over 40m euro. He has contributed precisely zero to Ireland in income tax & has the cheek to talk about a ‘monstrous betrayal of who we are and what we wish to be’.

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Yup another champagne socialist in disguise ,, along next will be that prick Russell Brand

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....or all we need now is that other freak Bono to appear with the loaves and fishes :)

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The fact that Turkey are now attacking the Kurds who are the only effective fighting force currently engaging ISIS proves that they are one of the biggest obstacles to peace in the Middle East

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Different Kurds.

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The question is who to bomb first?

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should conscript some of the hundreds of thousands of young males who are fleeing, train them up and send them back to fight for their country instead of feeding and housing them meanwhile sending in our troops and planes in to do the dirty work. whatever happened to fighting to protect what you believe in.

jeez, todays liberal wishy washy politicians have got no idea at all. what happened to a strong america, its now left to the likes of putin to act as the worlds bully boy.

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Minister in the Lords just confirmed refugee orphans and children brought in under Cameron's scheme will be deported at age 18.

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https://twitter.com/paddyashdown



But where will they send them?

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The Brits are, once again, not pulling their weight, but the usual crowd are bickering and moaning as if the sky was falling...

The vast majority of refugees will be welcome in Germany, hopefully other EU nations will be more accommodating than the UK - once upon a time a liberal, tolerant place which offered shelter to numerous refugees, now all one hears is the bitter blathering of Daily Mail addicts, what has happened to this once splendid country?

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Maybe they are not pulling their weight because certain type of people are not showing "THANKFULLNESS". :rolleyes:

Migrant crisis: Germany 'can take 500,000 asylum seekers a year'.

Germany can cope with at least 500,000 asylum seekers a year for several years, Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel has said.
Germany expects more than 800,000 asylum-seekers in 2015 alone - four times the 2014 figure.
Mr Gabriel reiterated that other EU states should share the burden.
The UN's refugee agency, UNHCR, says a record 7,000 Syrian migrants arrived in Macedonia alone on Monday and 30,000 were on Greek islands.
The migrant influx has unsettled European governments and prompted diverse responses. Hungary's conservative leadership is building a border fence to try to keep them out, but German politicians have expressed pride in crowds who turned out to welcome new arrivals.
Migrant crisis: Germany 'can take 500,000 asylum seekers a year' - BBC News

I hope the Germans don't decide to issue 1/2 a million Reisepass a year to them as well.

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The vast majority of refugees will be welcome in Germany,

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no they wont. the vocal minority that come out and support the influx are very much that, a minority.

no country can be expected to absorb an as yet unknown number of refugees of a vastly different culture to the home culture in such a short space of time.

there are millions of displaced people from that region, europe cannot possibly take them all. how come the gulf states, malaysia, indonesia and othjer muslim countries opening their borders to their brethren.

what happens to those at the back of the queue when the germans have accepted their 30,000 or 40,000, or the european quotas have been accepted. will they (there could be 500,000) be refused entry and turned back?

the problem needs to be solved in the middle east and the traffickers who are profiting from this and sending these unfortunate people onwards for vast fees need to be stopped.

germany summarily announced that it would take 800,00, yet made no provision for their transport from the war zones, leaving the doors open for traffickers to profit from the situation by pushing these people out to sea on leaky boats.

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The Brits are, once again, not pulling their weight,

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fact.

next only to america, the uk spends more on aid to syria than any other country.

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Wait until the unemployment rate goes up and the german politicians realize the cost of their big mistake.

The Krauts will be marching faster then you can say: "Gesundheit"
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No worries. Pope says all good catholics should take them with open arms. Spain, Italy and the Emerald Isle will no doubt take them all.

Poetic Justice.

Where are the Germans going to find all the housing required for an extra 1/2 a million people a year.

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Migrant crisis: Germany 'can take 500,000 asylum seekers a year'.

Germany can cope with at least 500,000 asylum seekers a year for several years, Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel has said.
Germany expects more than 800,000 asylum-seekers in 2015 alone - four times the 2014 figure.
Mr Gabriel reiterated that other EU states should share the burden.
The UN's refugee agency, UNHCR, says a record 7,000 Syrian migrants arrived in Macedonia alone on Monday and 30,000 were on Greek islands.
The migrant influx has unsettled European governments and prompted diverse responses. Hungary's conservative leadership is building a border fence to try to keep them out, but German politicians have expressed pride in crowds who turned out to welcome new arrivals.
Migrant crisis: Germany 'can take 500,000 asylum seekers a year' - BBC News

I hope the Germans don't decide to issue 1/2 a million Reisepass a year to them as well.

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"We have underestimated this crisis!"
Mark my words, this will be the next remarks coming from german politicians.

I think its very arrogant for the germans to tell the rest of the EU what they have to do.


Disagreement not only among Christians.

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“They’re not refugees. This is an invasion,” said Bishop Laszlo Kiss-Rigo, whose dominion stretches across the southern reaches of this predominantly Catholic nation. “They come here with cries of ‘Allahu Akbar.’ They want to take over.”

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...2f3_story.html

^^ Provided they all integrate peacefully don't think it will be a problem.

If its a jihad scenario the inn will most likely be full.

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Where are the Germans going to find all the housing required for an extra 1/2 a million people a year.

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They can't even find a vacancy for their own kids in a Kindergarten.
School classes are filled with 28-34 pupils per class.
Classes have to be cancled because their are not enough teachers.

...sorry I can't answer your question.

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^^ Provided they all integrate peacefully don't think it will be a problem.

If its a jihad scenario the inn will most likely be full.

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Intergrading muslims is a very hard and costly task.
When Jugoslavia fell apart, Germany took a lot of refugees from Croatia. Today you can recognize them only by their last name.

Integrating works much better than intergrading, with all kinds of refugees, not just Muslims, Herman.

The Germans killed off the Jews all those years back now they are replacing them with Muslims, remains to be seen if thats a good trade off.

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Integrating works much better than intergrading, with all kinds of refugees, not just Muslims, Herman.

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But a harder and costlier task on a muslim.

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Integrating works much better than intergrading, with all kinds of refugees, not just Muslims, Herman.

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the very nature of their religion, its increasing orthodoxy/radicalism and the demands it makes on many of its followers, means that muslims cannot intergrate fully into a non muslim society. sharia law in some areas of the UK? ..... no thanks.

prayers 4 times a day, the tribal nature of the religion, ramadan, the ease with which they are "offended" and the increasingly aggressive way they respond when they think their needs and demands are not met by the host society, especially when that liberal host society is as weak as piss and they think a charge of "racism" will be made against them.

"Such is the wreckage created by Assad’s struggle to subdue his people." What utter nonsense. Assad's is a secular regime- the vile Sunni islamists that form this rebellion are both a distinct minority within syria, and well vile Sunni islamists- with all of the rape, cruelty and murder that entails. They are our enemy, not Assad- and the US should be big enough to come out and admit it.

Be intresting if a few million low caste Indian people decided they want a house a free health care in Europe.

There are many photographs and reports of these "desperate Syrian refugees" in the mainstream media. One thing that strikes me is how fit, well dressed, well fed they all look. Refugees in past catastrophes, from memory, always seemed to be just the opposite. Weak, starving, penniless, dying of thirst and totally, totally devoid of anything of value.

There are reports of well dressed "desperate Syrian refugees" being given papers to stay/work in Germany. These well dressed "desperate Syrian refugees" "fleeing from a "war zone" to Turkey. They have been incarcerated in Turkish "refugee camps" for a year or years!. The "desperate Syrian refugees" were not allowed to work and not allowed to leave the "refugee" camps.

After a few years in the Turkish refugees, living on presumably aid donated by other countries, they escaped the, presumably, armed guards at the camp, found and paid for passage from Turkey to Germany ( via many other countries) and now are free to look for employment, housing, medical care, schools etc. in Germany.

How did these fit, well dressed, well fed, "desperate Syrian refugees" afford to escape, pay for passage, feed and clothes themselves?
Will they be given government/social housing - thereby excluding native Germans or other EU citizens from such housing or if not where will the rental deposits come from?
Will they be given medical care - thereby excluding native Germans or other EU citizens?
Will they be given entry into kindergartens and schools - thereby excluding native Germans or other EU citizens?
Will they undercut the wage structures in Germany thereby forcing native Germans and EU citizens to do likewise?

Or are they going to be:
Forced to build there own houses - creating another camp/ghetto.
Build, equip and staff their own hospitals/health centres - creating an "ethnic" centre?
Build, equip and staff their own schools/kindergartens - creating an "ethnic/religious" centre?

Will the German Taxpayer pay for this?
Will the EZ taxpayer pay for this?
Will the EU taxpayer pay for this?

One thing is for certain the poor, desperate, weak "Syrian Refugees" will not have the resources, I would suggest.

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"Such is the wreckage created by Assad’s struggle to subdue his people." What utter nonsense. Assad's is a secular regime

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Was, is and determined to stay that way.

To expect the crusader coalition to be able to guarantee the same is futile, if we look at past attempts. To expect the crusader coalition to admit failure is likewise the same as finding a Unicorn. Their MO is to bomb, slaughter, starve and deny water. Once that is achieved pronounce victory and walk away. Leaving the citizens of the, bombed back to the stone age, country in utter despair.

Sorry but I know its just MHO but I just can't help thinking we are gonna trojan horse ISIL right into Europe and more importantly in our case the UK

Time will tell

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There are many photographs and reports of these "desperate Syrian refugees" in the mainstream media. One thing that strikes me is how fit, well dressed, well fed they all look. Refugees in past catastrophes, from memory, always seemed to be just the opposite. Weak, starving, penniless, dying of thirst and totally, totally devoid of anything of value.

There are reports of well dressed "desperate Syrian refugees" being given papers to stay/work in Germany. These well dressed "desperate Syrian refugees" "fleeing from a "war zone" to Turkey. They have been incarcerated in Turkish "refugee camps" for a year or years!. The "desperate Syrian refugees" were not allowed to work and not allowed to leave the "refugee" camps.

After a few years in the Turkish refugees, living on presumably aid donated by other countries, they escaped the, presumably, armed guards at the camp, found and paid for passage from Turkey to Germany ( via many other countries) and now are free to look for employment, housing, medical care, schools etc. in Germany.

How did these fit, well dressed, well fed, "desperate Syrian refugees" afford to escape, pay for passage, feed and clothes themselves?
Will they be given government/social housing - thereby excluding native Germans or other EU citizens from such housing or if not where will the rental deposits come from?
Will they be given medical care - thereby excluding native Germans or other EU citizens?
Will they be given entry into kindergartens and schools - thereby excluding native Germans or other EU citizens?
Will they undercut the wage structures in Germany thereby forcing native Germans and EU citizens to do likewise?

Or are they going to be:
Forced to build there own houses - creating another camp/ghetto.
Build, equip and staff their own hospitals/health centres - creating an "ethnic" centre?
Build, equip and staff their own schools/kindergartens - creating an "ethnic/religious" centre?

Will the German Taxpayer pay for this?
Will the EZ taxpayer pay for this?
Will the EU taxpayer pay for this?

One thing is for certain the poor, desperate, weak "Syrian Refugees" will not have the resources, I would suggest.

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The german media is deliberatly showing pictures of women and children.
The well dressed and groomed young men are purposely not being shown.
The interviews are all the same "What a hard and long journey."
How about an interview like this: "How could you leave your family behind in a war torn country ?"