Thread: Germanwings plane crashes in southern France, 148 feared dead: officials

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Originally Posted by blue

Before training as a pilot, Lubitz worked as cabin crew with Lufthansa.

No. When he had finished training as a pilot he was not immediately hired as pilot but did some intermediate time as cabin crew, which is not unusual for Lufthansa or German Wings.

I don't know, guess both versions are wrong, as there seems to be student, private and commercial pilots licences and training.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

There is no policy of Lufthansa or any european airline to have a second person in the cockpit at any time. There was no known deviation of protocols.

The speaker is CEO of Lufthansa.

He would not call running a plane with 150 persons on board into the ground suicide. His personal opinion, not a legal one.

There was 2 ppl in the cockpit during the Egypt air suicide. So that rule isnot the answer

Originally Posted by Gerbil

Originally Posted by buriramboy

They've been showing a pic of the co pilot in San Franciso, he looks gay although this hasn't been mentioned, maybe if this is the case it was the self loathing that made him commit suicide bit harsh to take another 150 with you though.

Forgot to login as 'Blue' again, eh?

He's mental. I reckon he's had more cock than KFC.

Nonetheless, if one wishes to end their life, why take random innocents with you?

So, you are trying to apply logic to what is essentially an irrational act? An exercise in futility.

I don't know, guess both versions are wrong, as there seems to be student, private and commercial pilots licences and training

Not really. Student licence leads to private licence, which only requires some 40hrs flying. CPL is a longer road to travel, expensive, and with less than 250hr flying employment is difficult - obviously Lufthansa helped in this respect. Even so, at the age of 28, this guy had only accumulated 630hrs or so.

Apparently only the US mandates 2 people in the cockpit at all times

It is at the discretion of individual airlines - not all of them mandate this requirement.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I reckon he's had more cock than KFC.

That's a fair bit of meat, I reckon, harry...You're gonna wake up a few prisoners with that remark...

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Gerbil

Originally Posted by buriramboy

They've been showing a pic of the co pilot in San Franciso, he looks gay although this hasn't been mentioned, maybe if this is the case it was the self loathing that made him commit suicide bit harsh to take another 150 with you though.

Forgot to login as 'Blue' again, eh?

He's mental. I reckon he's had more cock than KFC.

Bumboy or the co-pilot?

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Gerbil

Originally Posted by buriramboy

They've been showing a pic of the co pilot in San Franciso, he looks gay although this hasn't been mentioned, maybe if this is the case it was the self loathing that made him commit suicide bit harsh to take another 150 with you though.

Forgot to login as 'Blue' again, eh?

He's mental. I reckon he's had more cock than KFC.

Bumboy or the co-pilot?

Hairy...heh

In mitigation to Lufthansa and German Wings, Germany has some of the strictest laws in the World about employers spying on their employees or looking into their personal lives.
Germany goes overboard with that much the same as Thailand goes overboard with drug and gambling laws. There may not have been much the airline could have done to vett this clown any better.

German Cabinet Backs Updated Personal Privacy Law
By CHRISTOPHER LAWTON and VANESSA FUHRMANS
Updated Aug. 26, 2010 12:01 a.m. ET
BERLIN—The German government, seeking to address growing concerns that Germany's privacy laws haven't kept pace with the Internet age, plans to tighten personal data protections with a new law that would make it much harder for companies to monitor employees and gather information on job candidates.
Germany Prepares Employee-Privacy Law - WSJ

It really presses home the point that you are at the "mercy of the gods" when you fly...With the added dimension of the "person behind the wheel"...

This is getting a fook of a lot of exposure, and that is the part that is seriously worrying...

It seems there's nothing like an airplane crash...It galvanizes the entire world...

This small place in the Alps is "science fiction," now...

This just may eclipse the MH 370 incident, still recent in our minds...

Originally Posted by BaitongBoy

It really presses home the point that you are at the "mercy of the gods" when you fly...With the added dimension of the "person behind the wheel"...

This is getting a fook of a lot of exposure, and that is the part that is seriously worrying...

It seems there's nothing like an airplane crash...It galvanizes the entire world...

This small place in the Alps is "science fiction," now...

This just may eclipse the MH 370 incident, still recent in our minds...

This is why I carry valium on any flight i go on. So I can comatose myself. But hey I'm just a worry wart yadayadayada

In what other instance in life does one person have absolute control over so many lives ? 149 people murdered. Thats more then all famous mass murderers.

Originally Posted by JayZee

Nonetheless, if one wishes to end their life, why take random innocents with you?

So, you are trying to apply logic to what is essentially an irrational act? An exercise in futility.

I don't know, guess both versions are wrong, as there seems to be student, private and commercial pilots licences and training

Not really. Student licence leads to private licence, which only requires some 40hrs flying. CPL is a longer road to travel, expensive, and with less than 250hr flying employment is difficult - obviously Lufthansa helped in this respect. Even so, at the age of 28, this guy had only accumulated 630hrs or so.

Apparently only the US mandates 2 people in the cockpit at all times

It is at the discretion of individual airlines - not all of them mandate this requirement.

Again. There was 2 people in the cockpit in the Egypt air suicide/crash. 2 pilots.

Some 100 pound airline stu wouldn't change anything. So the Americans and their great law is shit

never trust people who go running....

Germanwings pilot slipped through 'safety net' with devastating consequences | Daily Mail Online

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Gerbil

Originally Posted by buriramboy

They've been showing a pic of the co pilot in San Franciso, he looks gay although this hasn't been mentioned, maybe if this is the case it was the self loathing that made him commit suicide bit harsh to take another 150 with you though.

Forgot to login as 'Blue' again, eh?

He's mental. I reckon he's had more cock than KFC.

Probably thinks gays find him so very attractive - sees cock everywhere

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Gerbil

Originally Posted by buriramboy

They've been showing a pic of the co pilot in San Franciso, he looks gay although this hasn't been mentioned, maybe if this is the case it was the self loathing that made him commit suicide bit harsh to take another 150 with you though.

Forgot to login as 'Blue' again, eh?

He's mental. I reckon he's had more cock than KFC.

Probably thinks gays find him so very attractive - sees cock everywhere

You know what they say about those who shout the loudest....

Originally Posted by BobR

Originally Posted by Markus

Again. There was 2 people in the cockpit in the Egypt air suicide/crash. 2 pilots.

Politely, I don't think so. According to both Wikipedia and the National Geographic Air Disaster video about the crash, it was the exact same chain of events as this crash, but that was before 9-11 and the fortress cockpit doors.

"The cockpit voice recorder (CVR) recorded the captain excusing himself to go to the lavatory, followed thirty seconds later by the first officer saying in Egyptian Arabic "Tawkalt ala Allah," which translates to "I rely on God." A minute later, the autopilot was disengaged, immediately followed by the first officer again saying, "I rely on God." Three seconds later, the throttles for both engines were reduced to idle, and both elevators were moved three degrees nose down. The first officer repeated "I rely on God" seven more times before the captain suddenly asked repeatedly, "What's happening, what's happening?""
EgyptAir Flight 990 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Originally Posted by BaitongBoy View Post
"It really presses home the point that you are at the "mercy of the gods" when you fly...With the added dimension of the "person behind the wheel"...


Much safer than the chance we take every time we drive or ride on any Thai road.

In the last recording on the black boxes in that case , you can hear the pilot telling the co-pilot to help him pull up.



"El Habashy: Pull. Pull with me. Pull with me. Pull with me."

Yes the pilot did leave to take a piss but he did come back and seat himself and try to save the plane.

^ Yes, but there was only 1 pilot in the cockpit when the nut put the plane into the dive, not 2. The Captain came back and tried to save the plane, but could not. In German Wings the Captain could not come back because of the barrier door.

Originally Posted by BobR

^ Yes, but there was only 1 pilot in the cockpit when the nut put the plane into the dive, not 2. The Captain came back and tried to save the plane, but could not. In German Wings the Captain could not come back because of the barrier door.

He could have saved it. But it was only when the nutjob shut the engines off, that the flight was doomed. The engines were shut off with both pilots in their seats

Originally Posted by Markus

Again. There was 2 people in the cockpit in the Egypt air suicide/crash. 2 pilots.

Not when the killer turned off the A/P and pointed it nose down.

The co pilot was apparently suffering from depression after a 'love split', so begs the question why would the airline let someone suffering from depression fly a plane.

According to the airlines he wasn't depressed. Anyway, Germany are strict about privacy. Still early, probably something will explain fuller coming in the near future.

Louise Mensch ‏@LouiseMensch · 4m4 minutes ago
There are rumours on Twitter the #Germanwings pilot was a recent convert to Islam via a radical Bremen mosque

I've been reading them but not not yet committed to embracing. Just rumors at this stage. I feel many people on # are disappointed he was white.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Louise Mensch ‏@LouiseMensch · 4m4 minutes ago
There are rumours on Twitter the #Germanwings pilot was a recent convert to Islam via a radical Bremen mosque

He lives nowhere near Bremen . . . and the BND would have picked that up . . .

Originally Posted by buriramboy

The co pilot was apparently suffering from depression after a 'love split', so begs the question why would the airline let someone suffering from depression fly a plane.

He would not be the first mentally ill flight crew member that was able to conceal his problems well enough to be admitted to the cockpit. Fedex had the nearly successful suicide-crash by a flight engineer (ex military pilot) in 1994.

Federal Express Flight 705 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This man was totally nuts but managed to hide it too.