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    Islamic State issues guidelines for sex slaves

    Last updated 21:52, December 14 2014

    CAPTOR'S GUIDE: The Islamic State's rules on sex slavery say non-Muslim female captives are "merely property, which can be disposed of".


    The Islamic State has released a pamphlet detailing guidelines for treating non-Muslim female slaves in the militant group's custody, according to a group that monitors violent extremism worldwide.

    The Middle East Media Research Institute says the Research and Fatwa Department of the Islamic State released the document titled "Questions and Answers on Taking Captives and Slaves," which it claims was printed by the militant group's publishing house.

    The pamphlet - which MEMRI says was posted on a pro-Islamic State Twitter account - answers more than 20 questions and states, among other things, that it is okay to have sex with non-Muslim slaves, including adolescents, and that it is also acceptable to beat and trade them.

    The pamphlet's guidelines make clear that those held captive are under complete control of the extremists. Much of the document focuses around having sex with female slaves, including those who are still adolescents.

    On the question of whether it is allowable to have sex with a slave who has not reached puberty, the document states: "It is permissible to have intercourse with the female slave who hasn't reached puberty if she is fit for intercourse; however if she is not fit for intercourse, then it is enough to enjoy her without intercourse."

    The document also says it is okay to buy, sell or trade a female captive because they are "merely property, which can be disposed of." However, the pamphlet says a woman can't be sold if she becomes pregnant by her owner.

    It also says it is permissible to beat a slave so long as it's a form of disciplinary beating. However, it is forbidden to hit the face.

    In some of its answers, the document cites the Koran to back up its claims. In answering whether it's okay to have sex with a captive, the pamphlet states, "It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with the female captive. Allah the almighty said: '(Successful are the believers) who guard their chastity, except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are free from blame (Koran 23:5-6).'"

    In terms of when it's okay to have sex with a captive, the document states that if she is a virgin, her "master" can have sex with her immediately. "However, is she isn't, her uterus must be purified (first)..."

    Islamic State issues guidelines for sex slaves | Stuff.co.nz

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    Why wait til you get to Heaven..?
    That should get the recruits flocking.

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    Flocking, indeed...

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    At least they have a clear set of rules and guidelines to follow. I hope those who break the rules will be punished appropriately.



    Here's the link for the 'original' MEMRI article: Islamic State (ISIS) Releases Pamphlet On Female Slaves .. (The MEMRI Jihad and Terrorism Threat Monitor)



    The article gives a link to the IS Twitter account. There's some gruesome photos there. However, I can't see the document that MEMRI says is the source for the article. (3 December 2014).

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    Some doubts about the integrity of MEMRI

    Selective Memri
    : Selective Memri | World news | theguardian.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaitongBoy
    Flocking, indeed...
    this is about goats - battyboo should be afraid , very very afraid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Some doubts about the integrity of MEMRI

    Selective Memri
    : Selective Memri | World news | theguardian.com

    The article that you gave a link for has this paragraph


    "Nobody, so far as I know, disputes the general accuracy of Memri's translations but there are other reasons to be concerned about its output."

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    "Question 1: What is al-sabi?
    "Al-Sabi is a woman from among ahl al-harb [the people of war] who has been captured by Muslims.
    "Question 2: What makes al-sabi permissible?
    "What makes al-sabi permissible [i.e., what makes it permissible to take such a woman captive] is [her] unbelief. Unbelieving [women] who were captured and brought into the abode of Islam are permissible to us, after the imam distributes them [among us]."
    "Question 3: Can all unbelieving women be taken captive?
    "There is no dispute among the scholars that it is permissible to capture unbelieving women [who are characterized by] original unbelief [kufr asli], such as the kitabiyat [women from among the People of the Book, i.e. Jews and Christians] and polytheists. However, [the scholars] are disputed over [the issue of] capturing apostate women. The consensus leans towards forbidding it, though some people of knowledge think it permissible. We [ISIS] lean towards accepting the consensus…"
    "Question 4: Is it permissible to have intercourse with a female captive?
    "It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with the female captive. Allah the almighty said: '[Successful are the believers] who guard their chastity, except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are free from blame [Koran 23:5-6]'..."

    "Question 5: Is it permissible to have intercourse with a female captive immediately after taking possession [of her]?
    "If she is a virgin, he [her master] can have intercourse with her immediately after taking possession of her. However, is she isn't, her uterus must be purified [first]…"
    "Question 6: Is it permissible to sell a female captive?
    "It is permissible to buy, sell, or give as a gift female captives and slaves, for they are merely property, which can be disposed of [as long as that doesn't cause [the Muslim ummah] any harm or damage."
    "Question 7: Is it permissible to separate a mother from her children through [the act of] buying and selling?
    "It is not permissible to separate a mother from her prepubescent children through buying, selling or giving away [a captive or slave]. [But] it is permissible to separate them if the children are grown and mature."
    "Question 8: If two or more [men] buy a female captive together, does she then become [sexually] permissible to each of them?
    "It is forbidden to have intercourse with a female captive if [the master] does not own her exclusively. One who owns [a captive] in partnership [with others] may not have sexual intercourse with her until the other [owners] sell or give him [their share]."
    "Question 9: If the female captive was impregnated by her owner, can he then sell her?
    "He can't sell her if she becomes the mother of a child..."
    "Question 10: If a man dies, what is the law regarding the female captive he owned?
    "Female captives are distributed as part of his estate, just as all [other parts] of his estate [are distributed]. However, they may only provide services, not intercourse, if a father or [one of the] sons has already had intercourse with them, or if several [people] inherit them in partnership."
    "Question 11: May a man have intercourse with the female slave of his wife?
    "A man may not have intercourse with the female slave of his wife, because [the slave] is owned by someone else."
    "Question 12: May a man kiss the female slave of another, with the owner's permission?
    "A man may not kiss the female slave of another, for kissing [involves] pleasure, and pleasure is prohibited unless [the man] owns [the slave] exclusively."
    "Question 13: Is it permissible to have intercourse with a female slave who has not reached puberty?
    "It is permissible to have intercourse with the female slave who hasn't reached puberty if she is fit for intercourse; however if she is not fit for intercourse, then it is enough to enjoy her without intercourse."
    "Question 14: What private parts of the female slave's body must be concealed during prayer?
    "Her private body parts [that must be concealed] during prayer are the same as those [that must be concealed] outside [prayer], and they [include] everything besides the head, neck, hands and feet."
    "Question 15: May a female slave meet foreign men without wearing a hijab?
    "A female slave is allowed to expose her head, neck, hands, and feet in front of foreign men if fitna [enticement] can be avoided. However, if fitna is present, or of there is fear that it will occur, then it [i.e. exposing these body parts becomes] forbidden."
    "Question 16: Can two sisters be taken together while taking slaves?
    "It is permissible to have two sisters, a female slave and her aunt [her father's sister], or a female slave and her aunt [from her mother's side]. But they cannot be together during intercourse, [and] whoever has intercourse with one of them cannot have intercourse with the other, due to the general [consensus] over the prohibition of this."
    "Question 17: What is al-'azl?
    "Al-'azl is refraining from ejaculating on a woman's pudendum [i.e. coitus interruptus]."
    "Question 18: May a man use the al-'azl [technique] with his female slave?
    "A man is allowed [to use] al-'azl during intercourse with his female slave with or without her consent."
    "Question 19: Is it permissible to beat a female slave?
    "It is permissible to beat the female slave as a [form of] darb ta'deeb [disciplinary beating], [but] it is forbidden to [use] darb al-takseer [literally, breaking beating], [darb] al-tashaffi [beating for the purpose of achieving gratification], or [darb] al-ta'dheeb [torture beating]. Further, it is forbidden to hit the face."
    Question 20: What is the ruling regarding a female slave who runs away from her master?
    "A male or female slave's running away [from their master] is among the gravest of sins…"
    "Question 21: What is the earthly punishment of a female slave who runs away from her master?
    "She [i.e. the female slave who runs away from her master] has no punishment according to the shari'a of Allah; however, she is [to be] reprimanded [in such a way that] deters others like her from escaping."
    "Question 22: Is it permissible to marry a Muslim [slave] or a kitabiyya [i.e. Jewish or Christian] female slave?
    "It is impermissible for a free [man] to marry Muslim or kitabiyat female slaves, except for those [men] who feared to [commit] a sin, that is, the sin of fornication…"
    "Question 24: If a man marries a female slave who is owned by someone else, who is allowed to have intercourse with her?
    "A master is prohibited from having intercourse with his female slave who is married to someone else; instead, the master receives her service, [while] the husband [gets to] enjoy her [sexually]."
    "Question 25: Are the huddoud [Koranic punishments] applied to female slaves?
    "If a female slave committed what necessitated the enforcement of a hadd [on her], a hadd [is then] enforced on her – however, the hadd is reduced by half within the hudud that accepts reduction by half…"
    "Question 27: What is the reward for freeing a slave girl?
    "Allah the exalted said [in the Koran]: 'And what can make you know what is [breaking through] the difficult pass [hell]? It is the freeing of a slave.' And [the prophet Muhammad] said: 'Whoever frees a believer Allah frees every organ of his body from hellfire.'"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    "However, is she isn't, her uterus must be purified (first)..."
    Umm, what if it's a bloke?

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    Use a hot poker.

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    Leave themselves very limited in their sexual practices....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Last updated 21:52, December 14 2014

    CAPTOR'S GUIDE: The Islamic State's rules on sex slavery say non-Muslim female captives are "merely property, which can be disposed of".


    The Islamic State has released a pamphlet detailing guidelines for treating non-Muslim female slaves in the militant group's custody, according to a group that monitors violent extremism worldwide.

    The Middle East Media Research Institute says the Research and Fatwa Department of the Islamic State released the document titled "Questions and Answers on Taking Captives and Slaves," which it claims was printed by the militant group's publishing house.

    The pamphlet - which MEMRI says was posted on a pro-Islamic State Twitter account - answers more than 20 questions and states, among other things, that it is okay to have sex with non-Muslim slaves, including adolescents, and that it is also acceptable to beat and trade them.

    The pamphlet's guidelines make clear that those held captive are under complete control of the extremists. Much of the document focuses around having sex with female slaves, including those who are still adolescents.

    On the question of whether it is allowable to have sex with a slave who has not reached puberty, the document states: "It is permissible to have intercourse with the female slave who hasn't reached puberty if she is fit for intercourse; however if she is not fit for intercourse, then it is enough to enjoy her without intercourse."

    The document also says it is okay to buy, sell or trade a female captive because they are "merely property, which can be disposed of." However, the pamphlet says a woman can't be sold if she becomes pregnant by her owner.

    It also says it is permissible to beat a slave so long as it's a form of disciplinary beating. However, it is forbidden to hit the face.

    In some of its answers, the document cites the Koran to back up its claims. In answering whether it's okay to have sex with a captive, the pamphlet states, "It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with the female captive. Allah the almighty said: '(Successful are the believers) who guard their chastity, except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are free from blame (Koran 23:5-6).'"

    In terms of when it's okay to have sex with a captive, the document states that if she is a virgin, her "master" can have sex with her immediately. "However, is she isn't, her uterus must be purified (first)..."

    Islamic State issues guidelines for sex slaves | Stuff.co.nz
    Gotta keep feeding the monkeys and useful idiots!
    Last edited by Jesus Jones; 15-12-2014 at 04:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BaitongBoy
    Flocking, indeed...
    this is about goats - battyboo should be afraid , very very afraid


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    Publicly available information about MEMRI

    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    MEMRI is operated by a group closely associated with the Israeli intelligence organizations

    Its work is subsidised by US taxpayers

    The co-founder and president of Memri, and the registered owner of its website, is an Israeli called Yigal Carmon.

    Mr - or rather, Colonel - Carmon spent 22 years in Israeli military intelligence and later served as counter-terrorism adviser to two Israeli prime ministers, Yitzhak Shamir and Yitzhak Rabin

    Among the other three, one served in the Israeli army's Northern Command Ordnance Corps, one has an academic background

    The ubiquitous Richard Perle, chairman of the Pentagon's defence policy board, recently joined Hudson's institute board of trustees which has a special link with MEMRI

    Fooking MEMRI again.

    As US and israeli funded and set up propaganda machine.

    This should not be in NEWS. TD should have a new section "RACISTS AND BIGOTS POST PRO DEATH AND PRO WAR PROPAGANDA" section.

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    MEMRI is shit no doubt but the tweet is still up with the document.

    https://twitter.com/U112842/status/5...014272/photo/1

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    Right so who owns the twitter account? This is Twitter who works extensively with the NSA anyway as clearly shown in the PRISM documents?

    Its a load of bullshit; another set up swallowed hook line and sinker by the mainstream media dunces.

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    Ah, but Islam does have instructions on how to treat captive women as slaves, nonetheless.

    I don't doubt that the topic is often discussed frequently by the young (and old) bucks, let alone in the mosque and pamphlets issued to those of like mind.

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    Can anyone show that this document is fake , or that the translation is incorrect ?

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    I'd say it's heavily edited, but the rulings regarding the treatment of female slaves and women in general come straight from the Koran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    I'd say it's heavily edited,
    What brings you to that conclusion ?

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    Can anyone prove it is true? Considering it came from an instrument of israeli inteligence service which is only there to pump out false information to keep jabbering bigots and morons like flake amused?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    I'd say it's heavily edited,
    What brings you to that conclusion ?
    The article having been passed from one agency to the next then translated and presented/excerpted in the form published in the article is an edition.

    The full and original document is not there, only it's translated edition is.

    Even the quotes from the Koran have been clipped for edition, and they were pre-clipped by whichever mullah issued the hadith explaining it, derived from the Koran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    Can anyone show that this document is fake , or that the translation is incorrect ?
    The original document, if it ever existed, is not available for us to make our own minds up, for peer review, or for us to make or obtain our own translation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    Can anyone show that this document is fake , or that the translation is incorrect ?
    The original document, if it ever existed, is not available for us to make our own minds up, for peer review, or for us to make or obtain our own translation.
    This is usual for memri dribblings. To believe anything from that outlet is like believing Walmart when they say they have their employees at the forefront of their priorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme View Post
    Leave themselves very limited in their sexual practices....
    with women anyway..

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