Thread: Rejecting Putin: RT reporter resigns on air

Originally Posted by robuzo

Henry Kissinger recently pointed out that "For the West, the demonization of Vladimir Putin is not a policy; it is an alibi for the absence of one,"

Lets hope Henry...

Originally Posted by robuzo

Permit me to paraphrase Henry Kissinger's thoughts on Ukraine: "For the Democrats, the demonization of Thaksin is not a policy; it is an alibi for the absence of one."

...doesn't charge a license fee for the over-use of his quotes !!

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Crimea is an Autonomous Republic within Ukraine and has its own parliament its own constitution. It's affiliated with Ukraine but not fully sovereign territory, more of a pimple on Ukraine's ass.

Nice attempt at fudging, but wrong. Crimea's parliament and consitution are subject to Ukrainian law.

Crimea is sovereign Ukrainian territory. If you are struggling to understand that basic concept, then look at the Budapest memorandum.

In it Russia accepted that Crimea is part of Ukraine, and they signed the fucking thing.

If it was good enough for them, why isn't it good enough for you?

It is unequivocal:

Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty within its existing borders.

it's not unequivocal. It's extremely equivocal. So much so that when you come out with something like this it's impossible to believe you understood it. Besides, why should I respect the Nazis who've taken over Ukraine? All Nazis should be killed on sight.

It is quite unequivocal in what it defines as sovereign Ukrainian territory. It is not, however, unequivocal in stating what signing members are permitted or obligated to do if any party chooses to breach the agreement.

Try and keep up.

Think you might have got your negatives a little overextended there. Still, never mind, I did enjoy the image of you waggling your finger at Putin and telling him he's a very naughty boy

I'm not wagging my finger at anyone mate, I know how this is going to turn out.

Just pointing out Putin's hypocrisy. He favours Kosovo being returned to Serbia, remember?

It's not going to affect me if Crimea is part of Ukraine or part of Russia, unless the nukes start flying then all bets are off.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Nice attempt at fudging, but wrong. Crimea's parliament and consitution are subject to Ukrainian law.

Crimea is sovereign Ukrainian territory. If you are struggling to understand that basic concept, then look at the Budapest memorandum.

In it Russia accepted that Crimea is part of Ukraine, and they signed the fucking thing.

If it was good enough for them, why isn't it good enough for you?

It is unequivocal:

it's not unequivocal. It's extremely equivocal. So much so that when you come out with something like this it's impossible to believe you understood it. Besides, why should I respect the Nazis who've taken over Ukraine? All Nazis should be killed on sight.

It is quite unequivocal in what it defines as sovereign Ukrainian territory. It is not, however, unequivocal in stating what signing members are permitted or obligated to do if any party chooses to breach the agreement.

Try and keep up.

Think you might have got your negatives a little overextended there. Still, never mind, I did enjoy the image of you waggling your finger at Putin and telling him he's a very naughty boy

I'm not wagging my finger at anyone mate, I know how this is going to turn out.

Just pointing out Putin's hypocrisy. He favours Kosovo being returned to Serbia, remember?

It's not going to affect me if Crimea is part of Ukraine or part of Russia, unless the nukes start flying then all bets are off.

No real risk of that until more former Sov states are brought into NATO, counter to assurances made to Gorbachev when the USSR still existed.

The US is definitely behind the fuckup in Ukraine

it looks like it's back to the old game for the US, supporting tyrants, Islamic extremists, and Nazis

Originally Posted by Butterfly

The US is definitely behind the fuckup in Ukraine

it looks like it's back to the old game for the US, supporting tyrants, Islamic extremists, and Nazis

Or back to the old game for the USSR, trying to grab back what it once invaded one bit at a time, more like.

Obama has been talking to China about the Crimea !!

Has he forgotten about Tibet and how the Chinese Military took over that country.

Putin doing the same with Crimea,, using his war machine to have his wicked way.

And why do all those guys armed to the teeth, wear masks ?

Not for the cold weather otherwise Putin would see them as pussies.

Argentina tried this with the Falklands and they got well spanked.

Originally Posted by billy the kid

Obama has been talking to China about the Crimea !!

Probably because China always backs Russia on security council resolutions and vice versa.

He's wasting his time unless he's got something to offer them.

Certain rules were laid down after WW11
that NO country has the right the move into another country,armed
like Germany went into Poland
without going through legal process.

Either Putin backs down which seems unlikely
or something nasty is going to occur.

Originally Posted by billy the kid

Certain rules were laid down after WW11 that NO country has the right the move into another country,armed like Germany went into Poland without going through legal process.

Did the US go through the legal process after 9/11?

For Iraq?

For Afghanistan?

If so, their process or an international one?

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Did the US go through the legal process after 9/11?

Vietnam?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Butterfly

The US is definitely behind the fuckup in Ukraine

it looks like it's back to the old game for the US, supporting tyrants, Islamic extremists, and Nazis

Or back to the old game for the USSR, trying to grab back what it once invaded one bit at a time, more like.

USSR is gone, get with the program. Are you trying to say the USSR "invaded" the Ukraine SSR? That's kind of odd, considering the USSR created the Ukraine (and Georgia, Moldova, etc.) Crimea was under the control of the Kiev Rus before the Tartars showed up and turned it into a way station for its trade in Russian slaves. The Russians took it back; the USSR stuck it onto the cobbled-together state it called the Ukraine SSR.

It is mistake to equate Russia with the USSR. Crimea was gifted to the Ukraine under a Ukrainian premier. Georgia received Abkhazia similarly under a Georgian premier. Russia is decidedly capitalist now- corrupt as hell, but capitalist. The Sovs aren't coming back.

Amusing, watching this unfold.

Not that I like Putin, or wish him well. Quite the contrary.

But after decades of watching the nerdy technocrats from the EU, and to a slightly lesser extent UK and US, trying desperately to construct a world in their own image, failing miserably - a fact they are totally in denial about - they now have to deal with someone that won't go running for shelter when the say 'boo'.

Oh damn. What now?

Putin has been playing the west like a fiddle for yonks now. Easy stuff, if you realize the west mostly consists of nerdy technocrats and bullies that love stomping on the small fellas.

A world away from what it was even 50 years ago.

That happens if you weaken your society by promoting and overprotecting the weak. The weak never grow stronger and the strong grow weaker.

China, meanwhile, is increasing it's defence budget greatly, year after year.

The EU weenies are at a loss. US is blundering and blustering as usual. Maybe they'll invade South Sudan or some other leading backwater in frustration.



Meanwhile Putin ain't losing any sleep. Guaranteed.

A sad state of affairs. Go weenies. Rah rah rah.

Originally Posted by FlyFree

Easy stuff, if you realize the west mostly consists of nerdy technocrats and bullies that love stomping on the small fellas.

sadly true,

Originally Posted by FlyFree

Amusing, watching this unfold.

Not that I like Putin, or wish him well. Quite the contrary.

But after decades of watching the nerdy technocrats from the EU, and to a slightly lesser extent UK and US, trying desperately to construct a world in their own image, failing miserably - a fact they are totally in denial about - they now have to deal with someone that won't go running for shelter when the say 'boo'.

Oh damn. What now?

Putin has been playing the west like a fiddle for yonks now. Easy stuff, if you realize the west mostly consists of nerdy technocrats and bullies that love stomping on the small fellas.

A world away from what it was even 50 years ago.

That happens if you weaken your society by promoting and overprotecting the weak. The weak never grow stronger and the strong grow weaker.

China, meanwhile, is increasing it's defence budget greatly, year after year.

The EU weenies are at a loss. US is blundering and blustering as usual. Maybe they'll invade South Sudan or some other leading backwater in frustration.



Meanwhile Putin ain't losing any sleep. Guaranteed.

A sad state of affairs. Go weenies. Rah rah rah.

Unfortunately, this also makes it harder for the more civilized elements among Putin's opposition in Russia by increasing his popularity and enabling him to say, "See, the world is against us," a sentiment that Russians find all too easy to believe.

Originally Posted by robuzo

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Butterfly

The US is definitely behind the fuckup in Ukraine

it looks like it's back to the old game for the US, supporting tyrants, Islamic extremists, and Nazis

Or back to the old game for the USSR, trying to grab back what it once invaded one bit at a time, more like.

USSR is gone, get with the program. Are you trying to say the USSR "invaded" the Ukraine SSR? That's kind of odd, considering the USSR created the Ukraine (and Georgia, Moldova, etc.) Crimea was under the control of the Kiev Rus before the Tartars showed up and turned it into a way station for its trade in Russian slaves. The Russians took it back; the USSR stuck it onto the cobbled-together state it called the Ukraine SSR.

It is mistake to equate Russia with the USSR. Crimea was gifted to the Ukraine under a Ukrainian premier. Georgia received Abkhazia similarly under a Georgian premier. Russia is decidedly capitalist now- corrupt as hell, but capitalist. The Sovs aren't coming back.

You don't get sarcasm, do you?

Originally Posted by FlyFree

Putin has been playing the west like a fiddle for yonks now.

He's been playing his own people like a philharmonic orchestra since he was in the KGB plotting to take power.

Ukraine needs 35b to survive, so who is going to pay ? certainly not Russia

Ukraine oNWeD on their own petard,

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by FlyFree

Putin has been playing the west like a fiddle for yonks now.

He's been playing his own people like a philharmonic orchestra since he was in the KGB plotting to take power.

Of course he has.

Putin doesn't believe the masses have a clue. And he's right about that.

GWB and his belittling attitude can take a lot of credit for Putins general direction today.

Basically, the west doesn't like Putin because he's hell-bent on restoring Russian pride. Russian, not USSR.


There are a host of world 'leaders' a lot worse, and nobody says a word.



All of which doesn't mean I like him. It is just that the rest of the little grey men from the west make him stand out.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Ukraine needs 35b to survive, so who is going to pay ? certainly not Russia

Ukraine oNWeD on their own petard,

If they kept Crimea they could exploit the energy reserves.

If Putin wanted to be nice, he should just take the whole bloody place.

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Did the US go through the legal process after

think those legality's set down after WW2, were meant just for Europe.

not sure though.

btw, heard that in one town or city in Crimea has 23 War Monuments or Memorials.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If Putin wanted to be nice, he should just take the whole bloody place.

and be accused of stealing Ukraine ? no fucking way

Originally Posted by FlyFree

All of which doesn't mean I like him. It is just that the rest of the little grey men from the west make him stand out.

the west is showing its decline, the future belongs to China and Russia

who said Communism was killed and left for dead ?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by robuzo

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Butterfly

The US is definitely behind the fuckup in Ukraine

it looks like it's back to the old game for the US, supporting tyrants, Islamic extremists, and Nazis

Or back to the old game for the USSR, trying to grab back what it once invaded one bit at a time, more like.

USSR is gone, get with the program. Are you trying to say the USSR "invaded" the Ukraine SSR? That's kind of odd, considering the USSR created the Ukraine (and Georgia, Moldova, etc.) Crimea was under the control of the Kiev Rus before the Tartars showed up and turned it into a way station for its trade in Russian slaves. The Russians took it back; the USSR stuck it onto the cobbled-together state it called the Ukraine SSR.

It is mistake to equate Russia with the USSR. Crimea was gifted to the Ukraine under a Ukrainian premier. Georgia received Abkhazia similarly under a Georgian premier. Russia is decidedly capitalist now- corrupt as hell, but capitalist. The Sovs aren't coming back.

You don't get sarcasm, do you?

Sarcasm isn't usually so heavily disguised. I'll take your word for it.