Thread: 10 dead in U.S. Batman Premiere shooting bloodbath monstrosity etc.

Originally Posted by robuzo

He's been behaving in an insane way since the arrest; acting or sincerely crazy is not clear. He doesn't have a history of mental illness, but it has been pointed out that for him to act consistently insane since the arrest he would have to be a sociopath, and he doesn't seem to have a history of that, either. Sudden Onset Insanity (SOI)? Strange case.

Well acting insane since the arrest is less pertinent than being legally insane during the incident - and perhaps even more significantly - before the killings.

If he methodically accumulated the weapons and was lucid during the planning phase, mindful he was going to go on this rampage, then the fact he is acting like a dazed cornball in Court now is not going to get him off the hook.

didn't this happen again the same day as Hitler birthday ? a strange correlation maybe

It happened on the 20th April?

Originally Posted by robuzo

There's a lot of discussion of his behavior in court and otherwise since the arrest, and much discussion of what it means. Glad to see you've worked it out. I don't see how pleading insanity gets him off the hook, unless you mean he won't get the death penalty, which he may not in any case. He's never getting out.

I had spoken to a Barrister about the subject of an insanity defence. (Not for this case. He was prosecuting a guy who had stabbed his Boss in the neck - and looked to be floating the idea that he was insane when he did it).

And he explained how it is hard to run an insanity plea, and how a Prosecutor can thwart it - for example, by showing that the delusions were sporadic.

Originally Posted by Bung

Why do Americans feel the need to have caches of weapons and ammunition when other countries citizens don't?

a good discussion of these questions can be found here:
https://teakdoor.com/issues/85485-gun...ll-people.html

Aurora shooting: Colorado gun sales up after cinema killings



Gun customer: "The incident opened up my eyes to what's going on out there"


The number of people seeking to buy guns in Colorado has soared since last week's mass shooting in the US state's town of Aurora, say law officials.

In the three days after the shooting, applications for the background checks needed to buy a gun legally were up 43% on the previous week.

The shooting at a cinema showing the new Batman movie left 12 people dead and 58 injured - 20 remain in hospital.

The suspected gunman appeared in court for the first time on Monday.

James Holmes, 24, is accused of throwing two canisters of gas into a busy midnight showing of the Batman film The Dark Knight Rises, before firing at random into the crowd.

Prosecutors say Mr Holmes had legally bought his weapons and the thousands of rounds of ammunition he had stockpiled in his apartment, which he had booby-trapped with explosives.

According to data released by the Colorado Bureau of Investigations, 880 people applied for the state-approved background checks on Friday, 13 July, days before the shooting.

When it happens in your backyard, people start reassessing, 'Hey, I go to the movies'” Jake Meyers Gun shop employee

On Friday, 29 July, the day following the shooting, the number was 1,216, and on the Saturday, 1,243. In total, 2,887 people were approved to buy a gun over the weekend, an increase of 43.5% on the weekend before, said the bureau.

The bureau's figures cannot confirm how many people then bought a firearm, but gun shop owners also reported a rise in sales.

Dick Rutan, owner of Gunners Den in the Colorado town of Arvada, said sales were "off the hook".

"What they're saying is, 'they want to have a chance'," he told the Denver Post.

"They want to have the ability to protect themselves and their families if they are in a situation like what happened in the movie theatre."

An employee at Mr Baker's shop, Jake Meyers, said there had been up to 20 people waiting outside when he arrived at work on the day after the shooting.

"A lot of it is people saying, 'I didn't think I needed a gun, but now I do'," the Denver Post quoted him as saying. "When it happens in your backyard, people start reassessing, 'Hey, I go to the movies'."

Brandon Baker, who owns the Rocky Mountain Guns & Ammo in the town of Park, only 15 miles (24km) from Aurora said his sales had gone up, as had requests for firearms training.

The Associated Press news agency said sales were also up in other states, including Florida, which recorded a 14% rise from the previous week, and Oregon, where July's sales were up by 11% over June. Background checks in the days after the shooting were up 10% in Florida compared with the same period last month.

That's OK, having more guns in circulation will make them SAFER.

The NRA proved it.

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

The number of people seeking to buy guns in Colorado has soared since last week's mass shooting in the US state's town of Aurora, say law officials.

Same thing happened all across the US right after Obama was elected potus. How comforting.

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

Originally Posted by Bung

Why do Americans feel the need to have caches of weapons and ammunition when other countries citizens don't?

a good discussion of these questions can be found here:
https://teakdoor.com/issues/85485-gun...ll-people.html

I seriously doubt that. Ive not even opened that thread, and I bet I can guess exactly whats being said, and by who. Total waste of time.

Yep, pretty much the same story as here.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Originally Posted by robuzo

There's a lot of discussion of his behavior in court and otherwise since the arrest, and much discussion of what it means. Glad to see you've worked it out. I don't see how pleading insanity gets him off the hook, unless you mean he won't get the death penalty, which he may not in any case. He's never getting out.

I had spoken to a Barrister about the subject of an insanity defence. (Not for this case. He was prosecuting a guy who had stabbed his Boss in the neck - and looked to be floating the idea that he was insane when he did it).

And he explained how it is hard to run an insanity plea, and how a Prosecutor can thwart it - for example, by showing that the delusions were sporadic.

True, and it's not criminal to be a sociopath, otherwise we wouldn't have so many lawyers or bankers (etc.)

It looks as if the package above hasn't been mentioned. Apparently he sent a drawing/description of the planned killings to a psychiatrist, but the package wasn't delivered.

Originally Posted by alwarner

I don't know if it's because I'm not American so I don't count or because you can't really argue that there isn't a problem with guns when 33.8 people a day are getting killed.

Possibly both, plus I dont think you get involved in shit fights, therefore your not worthy of a reply.

ha ha yeah. I was hoping it was because I was speaking an irrefutable truth, but (sadly) you're closer to the money.

Just popped in on that thread, and yea it was as expected. Like I said earlier, you cant put it where it wont go.

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

A have an American friend who comes to stay with me from HH every month or so. he brings along a couple of bottles of nice bourbon and we sit on the terrace watching the sun go down and put the world to rights. He is ex career military. He has been about but doesn't brag about it. He knows his shit. He was here the day th news hit that they had killed Osama and had his body and were heading home. He said then that they will never produce his body. I argued that they had to now that they had announced to the world that they had it and he again insisted they would never produce or show any proof they had just killed him as he knew for sure he had died years ago.
We were talking about this shooting and he said it was a false flag operation by the USA / CIA. He says that Obama will use this as an excuse to take away your guns. Once he has taken away your guns you cannot fight back and it is game over.
Was it just the Wild Turkey talking ?
The last time he said something similar he was spot on.
We will have to wait and see.

That doesn't even make sense? False flag operation?
And how could killing OBL be used as an excuse to take away peoples guns?
Remember those American right wing political types are generally pretty thick. Left wing too now that I think about it.

Aurora shootings: Obama calls for 'common sense' over guns
26 July 2012


President Obama: "AK47s belong on the battlefield not on the streets"

US President Barack Obama has said he wants common-sense measures to control guns, following last week's cinema shooting that killed 12 people.

Mr Obama pledged to work with members of both political parties and civic organisations to reach a consensus on the matter, but gave no details.

Mitt Romney, his Republican rival for the presidency, said changing US gun laws would not prevent such tragedies.

James Holmes, 24, is being held over the shooting at the cinema in Aurora.

According to US media reports, Mr Holmes sent a notebook describing a massacre to a psychiatrist at his university.

Election focus?

Debate around gun control has featured very little during the US presidential campaign which has mainly focused on the economy, correspondents say.

In a speech to the National Urban League, an African-American group in New Orleans, Mr Obama said he believed even most gun owners would agree "that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of children".

"I believe the majority of gun owners would agree we should do everything possible to prevent criminals and fugitives from purchasing weapons. And we should check someone's criminal record before they can check out a gun seller.

"A mentally unbalanced individual should not be able to get his hands on a gun so easily. These steps shouldn't be controversial. They should be common sense."

Mr Obama referred to a pattern of calling for tougher gun restrictions in the wake of violent crimes, but not following through.

"Too often, those efforts are defeated by politics and by lobbying, and eventually by the pull of our collective attention elsewhere."

In a TV interview in London, where he is attending the Olympics at the beginning of a foreign trip, Mr Romney said he did not believe that America needed new gun laws.

"A lot of what this... young man did was clearly against the law. But the fact that it was against the law did not prevent it from happening," he said.

bbc.co.uk

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

He says that Obama will use this as an excuse to take away your guns. Once he has taken away your guns you cannot fight back and it is game over.

The President cannot "take away your guns". The US political system is designed to ensure that a President is limited in his powers.

Of course, that's why the robber barons get away with bribing every elected official to the point where virtually no legislation gets passed unless it actually benefits them, and fuck the good old US taxpayer who doesn't know shit from shinola most of the time because they're fed "infotainment" instead of news.

Silly little debates like this that invariably fizzle out after a few weeks; it's enshrined in the constitution, and it's not going away unless there is a constitutional amendment.

Mind you, it didn't stopped Bush and his "Homeland Security" eating away it Americans' civil liberties, did it?

Mitt Romney, his Republican rival for the presidency, said changing US gun laws would not prevent such tragedies.

And how much Gun money does his campaign receive?

"A lot of what this... young man did was clearly against the law. But the fact that it was against the law did not prevent it from happening," he said.

Jesus, what a fucking retard.

I just saw a clip on TV of a speech he made.
" there is a long tradtion of hunting, but I'm sure even gun enthusiasts would agree that AK47s belong in the hands of soldiers.."
Quite reasonable I thought.
Americans really are paranoid fuckers. Afraid of their own government? really?
If they're so afraid use that most powerful weaopon denied most people in the world, the vote.
What a fucked up country that must be.