Thread: How do illegal workers justify their actions?

Originally Posted by Smeg

Originally Posted by poolcleaner

If someone didn't want to go 'home' for whatever reason obviously working illegally is the best option.

So to answer your question........no, these people aren't particularly worried if it all goes tits-up tomorrow.

Thanks for being on topic Pooly!

This is the point I don't understand. If these people are so passionate about staying here that they are willing to break the law to achieve it, how can they not be worried about the chance of losing it all tomorrow? That is where the logic breaks down....

If someone can answer this, the curiousity that inspired the OP will have been satisfied....

Originally Posted by Smeg

This is the point I don't understand. If these people are so passionate about staying here that they are willing to break the law to achieve it, how can they not be worried about the chance of losing it all tomorrow? That is where the logic breaks down....

If someone can answer this, the curiousity that inspired the OP will have been satisfied....[/quote]

OK Smeg, just for you!

Your basic assumptions seem to be incorrect. These people are not passionate about staying here. It is relatively easy to get a job illegally, the law is hardly applied, and the penalties seem very light.

As for losing it tomorrow, maybe the facts I stated above make it less worrying, although if the attitudes are changing and these illegal workers are now being traced, maybe they will be less likely to work here.

What have they got to lose anyway? they can move on elsewhere

Originally Posted by Smeg

This is the point I don't understand. If these people are so passionate about staying here that they are willing to break the law to achieve it, how can they not be worried about the chance of losing it all tomorrow? That is where the logic breaks down....

I don't hold out much hope for your satisfaction Smeg but, I go back to the illegals in Britain. For as long as they can stretch it out they're happy. Maybe there's an air of inevitablilty about having to return home here. Perhaps the folly of their dreams is simply a supressed fact that they understand will surface at sometime. Therefore they can't be arsed making steps to secure a legal place here.
Maybe, subconsciously, they don't want to stay here.

Having had a think about it, you are quite right in what you say. It is hard to justify taking that risk if it is really what you want!

Originally Posted by Smeg

Originally Posted by Smeg

Originally Posted by poolcleaner

If someone didn't want to go 'home' for whatever reason obviously working illegally is the best option.

So to answer your question........no, these people aren't particularly worried if it all goes tits-up tomorrow.

Thanks for being on topic Pooly!

This is the point I don't understand. If these people are so passionate about staying here that they are willing to break the law to achieve it, how can they not be worried about the chance of losing it all tomorrow? That is where the logic breaks down....

If someone can answer this, the curiousity that inspired the OP will have been satisfied....

Its cos nobody ever got busted in LOS! I've lived and worked in LOS for four years. I came across many foreigners (asians, europeans, americans, etc) working illegally for years, I mean years not temporary. I personally blame the law enforcement agencies. They are corrupt and would do you favours for money.

yep, what's the point in spending time and money, forging credentials etc etc if you dont mind getting caught eventually?

Thanks, things are on-topic and much more interesting to read now

But the answer was clear from the beginning Smeg

as I said, using a little common sense and trying to put yourself in their shoes (as you have been) would have given you what you wanted

but you seemed to think they are passionate about staying

Do you know any that are like that? and why do they not get a WP in that case?

Originally Posted by DrAndy

But the answer was clear from the beginning Smeg

as I said, using a little common sense and trying to put yourself in their shoes (as you have been) would have given you what you wanted

but you seemed to think they are passionate about staying

Do you know any that are like that? and why do they not get a WP in that case?

No it wasn't clear, as represented by the fact that different people have slightly different angles they see as important. But thanks for being patronising anyway!

Yes, I think they are passionate about staying. I'd need a damn good motive to risk being bundled into an immigrant detention centre. I risked it once, but left as soon as I heard about how bad they are

well, we have to disagree on that. I cannot see them being passionate about it. I had hoped you could give me some examples of passionate behaviour.

They would not have to stay long in any detention centre, if it got to that. Normally they would just have to pay off the police.

Fuck had to do some work and missed all the fun in the process...

never mind - u've got some sensible answers there smegmeister

however, I do gotta argu with this point here...

Originally Posted by smeg

The fact is that they are living here illegally and parasitically consuming local products and services.

parasitically consuming resources????

if they eat thai food and drink thai beer - dont that help the economy along ??

I think PC mentioned above - a teacher earnign 32K a month is prolly spending it ALL back into the local economy.

just a thought is all ....

yes KingW, I saw that too, but just ignored it as another throw away insult without any basis

Originally Posted by kingwillyhggtb

if they eat thai food and drink thai beer - dont that help the economy along ??

I think PC mentioned above - a teacher earnign 32K a month is prolly spending it ALL back into the local economy.

just a thought is all ....

It only helps the economy if they are buying those things with money brought into the country. If it is earned locally, nothing is being directly contributed to the economy, as a Thai could be doing that job, but as it is, the country still has to feed that (unemployed) Thai but also has a foreigner to sustain. Hence, parasite.

What about those foreigners who don't have WP and are planning to get settled in LOS? I know a couple of guys who are here for 6 years or more, working without WP and are married to locals.

They can't even afford to have 400,000 baht in their bank account to get a Non O visa. Why are they taking such a big risk? Wouldn't they get paid more than what they earn in LOS, if they worked for Sainsbury's back home?

They are working, hence contributing.

The money they get for working then goes back into the economy. That is what money is for. Money from outside the country helps the economy, true, but the circulation of money inside is more important.

A parasite just takes and does not contribute.

Originally Posted by DrAndy

They are working, hence contributing.

The money they get for working then goes back into the economy. That is what money is for. Money from outside the country helps the economy, true, but the circulation of money inside is more important.

A parasite just takes and does not contribute.

How can that be when they have simply pinched a job that a Thai could be doing?

If they are removed and an unemployed Thai is given that job, the economy will be in an improved position, ie that job will still be done and that 32k will still be spent, but one less person has to be fed, clothed, housed etc.

The whole reason for WPs is that it allows the government to judge whether allowing any particular foreigner to live, work, and consume with in the economy is of sufficient benefit to the country and the people to allow it to happen, ie they weigh up the pros and cons.

Your question has had me counting the guys I know who actually are determined to spend the rest of theior days here and I didn't come up with that many.

Most of the guys I've met off the forums have no intention of retiring here save for the likes of frisco, AO, CMN. They're all WP'ed up as far as I know.
The rest who aren't are here for a limited stay.

I'd say I know very few farang who are here for the long haul.
could be a decent poll in that one!
Even a successful entreprenuer like BangersP has intentions of retiring to the sunny shores of Spain at some time.

As for the taking a job that a thai could do ?

what jobs? give me examples smeggie ......

The international school I work in does hire thai's ( at a significantly higher rate than would otherwise be normal ) - but not too many thais have a level of english - eduaction degree or masters - plus 2 or more years teaching outside their own country - thats the hurdle!

A few mates work in shipping companies - mostly farang - but some thais fit the hurdle and thus have a job ( BTW they even paid more than u!)

quite a few mates in the local building industry - most thais cannot do the job they do - thats y they pay the farang the big money

in addition many expat companies have to have a white face for customers to deal with ...... fact!

similar to the fact that many EP and TEFL teachers explain that teh parents of the schools etc want white faces.

simple really! you just dont like to accept that as true!

Well illegal workers do more harm than good to the economy. No denying to it.

Originally Posted by Smeg

If they are removed and an unemployed Thai is given that job, the economy will be in an improved position, ie that job will still be done and that 32k will still be spent, but one less person has to be fed, clothed, housed etc.

so they are also helping the economy by spending their money on food, clothing and housing. It is not taken free, as would a parasite!!

What job are you talking about that an unemployed Thai can do?

also I'm pretty certain that nearly every bloke who has come here - including the TEFL guys (most of who IME are still doing a good job BTW )

HAVE brought savings with them and ARE therby contributing to the economy

and your point abt them takign a job a thai coudl do is also debatable

Originally Posted by Macha

Well illegal workers do more harm than good to the economy. No denying to it.

thanks for the supporting facts Macha.

that link to the thai chamber of commerce was fab!

Originally Posted by Macha

Well illegal workers do more harm than good to the economy. No denying to it.

yes there is ! thats a cheap nationalistic arguement designed to win politcions teh vote by creating a common enemy!

I didnt buy the migrants steal our jobs arguement at home - and i certainly dont buy it here!

Originally Posted by Macha

Well illegal workers do more harm than good to the economy. No denying to it.

well, that could be true, but very difficult to substantiate Macha.

They do not pay tax, but they do work, at least.