Should Drug Traffickers be so inhumanely treated in Thai prisons?

**chinthee** · 28-03-2008, 09:05 PM

^Yes, and the capitalist in me says that they deserve an above average, and in some cases, obscene payout if they succeed, and an above average punishment if they fail.

Risk/return tradeoff. Pure capitalism. Gotta love it. Let them be treated imhumanely...I was

**peterpan** · 28-03-2008, 09:10 PM

Apart from the very occasional smoke, I have never done any drugs but if people want to, why not? booze ( and pussy) has wrecked more lives than drugs, I just think people should have the choice. The people that do drugs are the sort that are going to wreck their lives anyway. Having said that, laws exist if you are stupid enough to deal in drugs, you know the risks, don't moan about doin the time. I think Fellows is a whinging cvnt myself.

**Texpat** · 28-03-2008, 09:11 PM

word.

Why should their payout be any better than if they flew into Jeddah with a tummy full of heroine condoms?

They'd be behedded in a public square there, but some think life in a prison sucking head cheese is too vicious.

Please visit the Brits acknowlege detainee death post.

**stroller** · 28-03-2008, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by November Rain

Originally Posted by stroller

"Doing the time" is not the issue here, but the mistreatment of prisoners, Mr. Dog.

And what treatment would you think appropriate, Stroller?

Anything in accordance with the law and human rights - there is no torture and abuse of prisoners sanctified by neither in Thailand.

**chinthee** · 28-03-2008, 09:14 PM

^Of course. We can take the piss, but at the end of the day, all prisoners incarcerated for whatever reason are entitled to be treated no worse or better than any others. But, this is Thailand. Concepts of fair play don't necessarily apply here.

**November Rain** · 28-03-2008, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

they risk their lives, imprisonment and abuse to get the hard-to-come-by goods to you.

Not to me, love. I owe them no debt - of gratitude or otherwise. I wouldn't presume to speak for anyone else.

**stroller** · 28-03-2008, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by peterpan

Having said that, laws exist if you are stupid enough to deal in drugs, you know the risks, don't moan about doin the time. I think Fellows is a whinging cvnt myself.

Again: doing the time is not the issue here, but abuse by the guards. As pointed out already, it makes the guards worse criminals then many of the inmates.

**November Rain** · 28-03-2008, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by November Rain

Originally Posted by stroller

"Doing the time" is not the issue here, but the mistreatment of prisoners, Mr. Dog.

And what treatment would you think appropriate, Stroller?

Anything in accordance with the law and human rights - there is no torture and abuse of prisoners sanctified by neither in Thailand.

Did you read about the Hmongs attacked by dogs? On the order of the PM? And bloody drug traffickers should be treated better? WTF???

**dirtydog** · 28-03-2008, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by chinthee

Gotta love it. Let them be treated imhumanely...I was

marmite is a right **** aint he

**chinthee** · 28-03-2008, 09:32 PM

^He wouldn't even let me drive that dog Camry.

**stroller** · 28-03-2008, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by November Rain

Did you read about the Hmongs attacked by dogs? On the order of the PM? And bloody drug traffickers should be treated better? WTF???

No, I have not read this.
But I am surprised you are attempting to justify one mistreatment with the example of another. I thought better of you.

**DrAndy** · 28-03-2008, 09:49 PM

well, I agree with Stroller on this NR

as for the drug traffickers, it really depends on which drug. In Thailand you can get killed for dealing in cannabis or heroin, makes no difference to them

the mistreatment by the guards is not part of any sentence handed down by the judge, so should not happen. Just being in prison is bad enough

**November Rain** · 28-03-2008, 09:50 PM

^^And you know that's not what I was trying to do. Stop stirring.

You said:

Originally Posted by stroller

Anything in accordance with the law and human rights - there is no torture and abuse of prisoners sanctified by neither in Thailand.

I pointed out that the Thai Govt, under order of the PM released attack dogs on the Hmong, recently. It shows that the Thai Govt don't give a *fig* (I'm being nice) about the human rights of refugees. So, I'm sure they don't give a *fig* about the rights of tried & convicted criminals.

**ChiangMai noon** · 28-03-2008, 09:52 PM

I agree with stroller's sentiments in the main.
drugs are a huge amount of fun, way more so than the cigs we ar smoking and the alcohol we are legally drinking, a lot less bad for society too, if you cut out heroin which is a bit gnarly and lands you with cities like glasgow.

still a bit fukking daft to go smuggling stuff into or out of airports when you know you are going to be fukked big time because everyone knows thai prisons aren't very nice.

**DrAndy** · 28-03-2008, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by November Rain

^^And you know that's not what I was trying to do. Stop stirring.

You said:

Originally Posted by stroller

Anything in accordance with the law and human rights - there is no torture and abuse of prisoners sanctified by neither in Thailand.

I pointed out that the Thai Govt, under order of the PM released attack dogs on the Hmong, recently. It shows that the Thai Govt don't give a *fig* (I'm being nice) about the human rights of refugees. So, I'm sure they don't give a *fig* about the rights of tried & convicted criminals.

well, as you put it that way.....

The Thai PM is a prat of the highest order, so what can you expect

unfortunately, actions like that, and mistreatment of prisoners etc, get little sympathy from most Thais. Until they do, they will continue

**November Rain** · 28-03-2008, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

well, I agree with Stroller on this NR

as for the drug traffickers, it really depends on which drug. In Thailand you can get killed for dealing in cannabis or heroin, makes no difference to them

the mistreatment by the guards is not part of any sentence handed down by the judge, so should not happen. Just being in prison is bad enough

Firstly, are there any independent witnesses to prove that Warren Fellow's experience was 100% accurately depicted? Considering 'sensationalism sells', I doubt it.

Secondly, surely one expects worse treatment in prison here than one would get in London, Hong Kong (PETA rates Stanley prison very highly - good service & veggie meals on request) or Sydney?

**stroller** · 28-03-2008, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by November Rain

And you know that's not what I was trying to do. Stop stirring.

So, what was the point of bringing up this story, if not to rationalise your approval of the mistreatment of drug-traffickers?

I pointed out that the Thai Govt, under order of the PM released attack dogs on the Hmong, recently. It shows that the Thai Govt don't give a *fig* (I'm being nice) about the human rights of refugees. So, I'm sure they don't give a *fig* about the rights of tried & convicted criminals.

I suspect attitudes vary according to which official it is, but this should not relativise anyone's opinion regarding illegal abuses.
You also questioned if drug-traffickers should be treated any better.
Which I considered in connection with your first comment:

Originally Posted by November Rain

Originally Posted by Luckydog

Should Drug Trafficers be so inhumanely treated in Thai prisons?

...
In answer to your quoted question, Luckydog, my answer is - Yes! And more.

Originally Posted by November Rain

Firstly, are there any independent witnesses to prove that Warren Fellow's experience was 100% accurately depicted? Considering 'sensationalism sells', I doubt it.

This is dodging the issue.
I am sure there has been a good portion of 'creative writing', but there is plenty of accounts of abuses in Thai prisons.
The question is whether abuses are justified, not if they actually happen.
You already answered with regards to Fellows:

If everything he told about in that book (yes, I've read it) was tripled, he still wouldn't have what he deserves, IMO.

**Texpat** · 28-03-2008, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

drugs are a huge amount of fun.

A bigger idiot than I ever figured you for. Hope you've made peace with your missus. Just a matter of time before we start the CMN got grassed thread.

Is there no end to the fucking idiocy of TD posters?

This really is Darwinism at its most base. Portend your intelligence, exhibit your ignorance.

**ChiangMai noon** · 28-03-2008, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by Texpat

A bigger idiot than I ever figured you for. Hope you've made peace with your missus. Just a matter of time before we start the CMN got grassed thread.

Is there no end to the fucking idiocy of TD posters?

excuse me?

they are.

do you disagree?

**dirtydog** · 28-03-2008, 10:47 PM

Some of you seem to be under the impression that prison gaurds are really waiters and butlers, they aint, believe me they aint, they want to whack down all the mouthy ****s they can, and they will get away with it unless they kill too many of them, prisons are not holiday camps.......

**madjbs** · 28-03-2008, 10:51 PM

I don't think anything in these books can be trusted, at the end of the day they wanted to sell their books and accounts of nice chats with other prisoners and guards don't sell books all that well. If you watch the BBC documentary the prisoners look to be in relatively good shape and the prison doesn't look all that bad, although that film was probably carefully watched over by the prison. I don't see anything wrong with giving a misbehaving drug dealer convict a good beating instead of increasing their time by a few days and sending them for a session with the behavioural expert like they do in the U.K.

**ChiangMai noon** · 28-03-2008, 10:51 PM

what do you think happens tex.

do you think you go all doolally and stab people and stuff.

**stroller** · 28-03-2008, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by madjbs

although that film was probably carefully watched over by the prison.

Yes, there were major restrictions on what they could film.

Originally Posted by madjbs

I don't see anything wrong with giving a misbehaving drug dealer convict a good beating

What constitutes 'misbehaving', and what about those who do not 'misbehave'?

**madjbs** · 28-03-2008, 11:35 PM

Well misbehaving would be trying to fight, steeling things, making weapons etc.....

I don't think the well behaved prisoners should be subjected to further punishment as just serving the time should be enough in Thailand.

**Texpat** · 28-03-2008, 11:45 PM

I don't think the well behaved prisoners should be subjected to

Guess what Einstein ... last I checked they really don't give a fcuk what we think.

The general aim seems to be to avoid the place. You know, follow the rules, hang low, stay out of trouble ... Seems some fuckwits can't handle the anonymity and can't resist he urge to profess their criminality.

Lay it out there boys! Show your photos! Tell us how cool it is.

Dumber than fcuking dirt.

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