Thread: Who has received which Covid-19 vaccine

Originally Posted by Switch

Not to piss on anyone’s bonfire, but these so called International Covid Passports, surely cannot possibly have any authority to allow international travel?

The travel restrictions are unique to every sovereign nation, and airlines will not allow individuals to board an aircraft if the destination does not recognize a locally produced certificate. Language and translation aside, most first world countries will only accept a gigital certificate, but only if prior acceptance has been granted.

Countries like Thailand, Indonesia and Philippines have no authority to produce such certificates, hand written or digital, other than to approve domestic travel!

The world is a long way off introducing such a passport, until all countries approve one. The WHO has no such authority to approve travel either!

Do you not think countries can make deals with other countries?

E.g. What's to stop Thailand saying it accepts the UAE "passport" and Emirates using it to vet passengers from there?

Added: There is no international standard for a PCR Test certificate either.

I thought there was a vaccination thread.

Please move this to the vaccination thread if there is one Nev, cheers.


Gonna get a vaccination. What vaccinations can one get, do most big name hospitals in the main regional cities offer them to someone that rocks up with some moolah? Or only specialist locations. How much moolah do they cost?

Cheers.

Originally Posted by Edmond

Gonna get a vaccination. What vaccinations can one get, do most big name hospitals in the main regional cities offer them to someone that rocks up with some moolah? Or only specialist locations. How much moolah do they cost?

Did somebody steal your password? You get what they have, sometimes but better to be scheduled, mostly specific locations. Most are free. Sinopharm might have a charge.

Originally Posted by aging one

Did somebody steal your password? You get what they have, sometimes but better to be scheduled, mostly specific locations. Most are free. Sinopharm might have a charge.

Both of us are registered, but too young to get any vaccine anytime soon through those options. So gonna go private. Not too pushed on which vaccine, we just need the cert.

Originally Posted by Edmond

Not too pushed on which vaccine, we just need the cert.

I believe the Russian and Chinese ones are good value at the moment

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Do you not think countries can make deals with other countries?

E.g. What's to stop Thailand saying it accepts the UAE "passport" and Emirates using it to vet passengers from there?

Added: There is no international standard for a PCR Test certificate either.

That’s true, but if Thailand, and other countries insist on giving their Covid passports International status, it makes a mockery of the word international.

Documents with such a title are worthless, apart from the fact that the papers are easily forged. Encrypted digital formats are easier to use, and harder to duplicate, leaving language as the only real barrier.

Sounds good to me, we just want a chin-chong-cert-ski.

Originally Posted by Switch

That’s true, but if Thailand, and other countries insist on giving their Covid passports International status, it makes a mockery of the word international.

Documents with such a title are worthless, apart from the fact that the papers are easily forged. Encrypted digital formats are easier to use, and harder to duplicate, leaving language as the only real barrier.

There are two competing standards in the works. To me the IATA one would make the most sense, purely because they already have the infrastructure and the app.

But unfortunately it's up to individual countries to join up, and their idiotic politicians all think they can do a better job.

The third Pfizer slipped in painlessly. Just the usual insect-bite-like discomfort at the injection site.

Originally Posted by Edmond

Sounds good to me, we just want a chin-chong-cert-ski.

All depends if you are planning on travelling to the first world.

Lord no.

I would think after the new year you should be okay in finding an inoculation of Moderna, Pfizer, AZ or one of the others. Before that a good chance also, but Sinovax and a AZ second jab.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

There are two competing standards in the works. To me the IATA one would make the most sense, purely because they already have the infrastructure and the app.

But unfortunately it's up to individual countries to join up, and their idiotic politicians all think they can do a better job.

You agree then, that Thailand issuing “International Covid Passports” is just the usual Thai nonsense?

Originally Posted by Switch

You agree then, that Thailand issuing “International Covid Passports” is just the usual Thai nonsense?

In the absence of any international agreement on vaccination proof, yes, the Thai document has little value. However, the 'passport' itself is a lot more durable than the very flimsy certificate that is issued, which undoubtably fall to bits after being carried for a few days. I guess it's real value is for those who depart and return to Thailand, and can be produced to the Thai Immigration and health authorities. The Mor Prom app, which carries your certification details and any history of testing, is also OK, and I'm sure will be pressed into action more and more as proof of vaccination will be required for restaurant and other social activity access.

Originally Posted by Switch

You agree then, that Thailand issuing “International Covid Passports” is just the usual Thai nonsense?

Perhaps I'm not being clear enough.

If Thailand and the UAE agree to honour each others "Covid passports", then they are effectively "International Covid passports", no?

Just not "globally accepted".

I don't know if there will ever be such a thing.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Perhaps I'm not being clear enough.

If Thailand and the UAE agree to honour each others "Covid passports", then they are effectively "International Covid passports", no?

Just not "globally accepted".

I don't know if there will ever be such a thing.

A one off agreement between 2 countries does not constitute an ‘International Covid travel passport’.

Originally Posted by Switch

A one off agreement between 2 countries does not constitute an ‘International Covid travel passport’.

And what if you make that agreement with 50? And they reciprocate?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And what if you make that agreement with 50? And they reciprocate?

Its still not an international Covid passport, never know you stoop to
Whataboutery Harry

My original statement remains correct, and it stands. Thailand buffoonery at its finest.

Probably of more interest here for those in Thailand. As the saying goes, better late than never.

The first 2 million doses of government-purchased Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine arrived in Thailand on Wednesday, with a total of 30 million doses to be obtained by the end of this year, government spokeswoman Traisuree Taisoranakul said.

The shipment was delivered by DHL courier Flight 3L 350, which landed at Suvarnabhumi airport at 4.30am. The vaccine was handed over to Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul, in the company of senior ministry officials, at the airport at about 8am.

Pfizer will deliver another 6 million doses in October, followed by more on Wednesday of every week to complete the delivery of 30 million doses by the end of the year, Mr Anutin said.
Mr Anutin said Pfizer would deliver the vaccine to destinations nationwide set by the Disease Control Department. The buying price included door-to-door delivery.

The main target is children aged 12-18 years, about 5 million in total, with 10 million doses of Pfizer vaccine reserved for them. The rest of the vaccines will be for the general public, as decided by the Disease Control Department.

The Pfizer vaccine will also be used in cross-vaccine formulas decided by a sub-committee on immunisation: Sinovac plus AstraZeneca, or AstraZeneca plus Pfizer.

Mr Anutin said the first shipment would go to the Medical Sciences Department and the Food and Drug Administration for a verification process, before being delivered to target areas throughout the country. He expected inoculations with the Pfizer vaccine to start next week.

Also, China has pledged to donate a further 1.5 million doses of the Sinovac vaccine, according to the minister. Beijing has so far donated to Thailand one million doses of vaccine split into two lots of 500,000 doses each. The last batch arrived in early June.

The latest Sinovac donation will add to six million to seven million doses of the vaccine purchased by the government which are due to arrive next month when around 10 million doses of AstraZeneca vaccine are also expected to be procured as well.

Meanwhile, Mr Anutin said booster doses were being given to people who have been double-jabbed with Sinovac vaccine nationwide since March. The doses cover about 3-4 million people.

First batch of Pfizer jabs land, 28m more to come

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I think you're just being fickle.

If the UK introduces a vaccination verification app or document to allow you to travel to partner countries, that would be an "International vaccine passport".

Especially if you understand the meaning of the word "international" as opposed to "global".

Which you don't seem to.

E.g. You don't need this for all countries but look at the title....

Nice try Harry. That is a yellow fever certificate. Nothing at all to do with Covid vaccination status, as it stands currently. I’m guessing that the production and authorisation of that particular disease certificate took a few years to negotiate?

Such International status cannot be assumed by any single country, for the current pandemic.

I have a yellow fever certificate, which is now out of date. IIRC it was necessary to be re-vaccinated every 10 years in order for the certificate to retain in its validation. My second dose was validated in 1986. No idea if that provides immunity, or is accepted nowadays. Then again I have no proof of Polio and MMR vaccine delivery either.

Your international certificate is not comparable to contemporary Covid vaccination status. My original statement remains correct.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Probably of more interest here for those in Thailand. As the saying goes, better late than never.

Right, so now the only thing preventing deployment is...corruption and refrigeration....even if it gets properly handled it likely won't get properly handled.

Originally Posted by Switch

If the UK introduces a vaccination verification app or document to allow you to travel to partner countries, that would be an "International vaccine passport".

Incorrect. The UK NHS app is currently the only acceptable vaccine verification, accepted by UK authorities, for UK citizens returning from abroad. Despite such proof of vaccination, the regimen for those travelers depends on the UK government applied restrictions, based on the classification of countries visited.

As far as I’m aware, this NHS app proof is accepted only by countries who have reciprocal agreement with the UK. USA for example.

^ international then.........blah blah

Are we nit picking over words here. The word international merely means abroad or foreign or foreign associations it doesn't mean globally or globally accepted.