Can anyone simply explain and give me some examples (in daily life) that explain a stereotype person?
I have looked up but the explanation seems too much in general and confusing to understand.
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Can anyone simply explain and give me some examples (in daily life) that explain a stereotype person?
I have looked up but the explanation seems too much in general and confusing to understand.
You can see many examples of stereotypes here every day:Quote:
Originally Posted by nathanielnong
people who always produce the same ranting, e.g. about "chinkies", "trumpyards", naming names that you cannot find in Webster, etc...
Why are you such a whiny little bitch, whining at every opportunity - why not give it a rest for this thread, no need for you to poison it as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
Any time a group of people are used to explain something they are being stereotyped. This can be ethnic groups, nationalities, genders and so one.Quote:
Originally Posted by nathanielnong
Some examples of a 'stereotype' are:
Girls are not good at sports
Men are messy
Women are neat and tidy
All Americans are obese and loud (though many are, no doubt, there are more that are neither)
All Arabs and Muslims are terrorists
All Asians are good at Mathematics and drive badly
All English people have bad teeth (this is possibly my favourite to annoy English people I know for fun)
No children like healthy food
All teenagers are rebels
Some examples
please dont pollute one of the only decent threads on this board. You have managed to get your paw prints on too many already. Just back off. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
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Didn't mean to cause a rift, really!
And Thanks to K. Panama Hat for the examples.
The Oriental Hotel in early 1900s
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New Road, the area around the Grand Postal Building, Bang Rak (1940s - 50s)
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I think she was no one in particular but just a farang girl whose parents came to work in Siam. There are many more in that photo.Quote:
Originally Posted by aging one
However, I like how they dressed in Thai traditional dresses.
This caught my eye.
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It's an American western film released in 1949. Probably came to Siam that same year but don't know where.Quote:
Originally Posted by happynz
I think not many people in the world know this:
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James Naismith (Dr., November 6, 1861 – November 28, 1939) was a Canadian-American physical educator, physician, Christian chaplain, sports coach, and innovator.
In 1891, he left Canada for Springfield Massachusetts and invented the game of basketball. He wrote the original basketball rule book and founded the University of Kansas basketball program.
Naismith lived to see basketball adopted as an Olympic demonstration sport in 1904 and as an official event at the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin, as well as the birth of the National Invitation Tournament (1938) and the NCAA Tournament (1939).
Today, the world celebrates him.
A Tale from Little Birds
“We suggest that for fairness, you need to check this article first”
“I already did. I did the crosschecking between foreign sources and local sources. You know what? Surprisingly, foreign sources give more details”
“That’s amazing. Some seeds are good but some are bad, we might say. By the way, what topic are you going to address the readers?”
“The First Hated Farang Ever (internationally) Recorded”
It was recorded that the first commercial store that run by farang happened in 1826 in the reign of King Nungklao (Rama III) under the name of “Morgan & Hunter Store”. They rented a land from a noble officer which was sited around the area where Wat Prayoonrawong (by the Chao Praya River, the Thonburi Province banks) was.
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This store imported a lot of foreign merchandises such as European and Indian fabrics, cigarettes and tobaccos and many more that the Siamese had never seen before.
However, there was one thing that they did not put on the advertisement but sold secretly underground which was illegal in Siam. It’s “opium”.
Mr. Morgan (his first name was not mentioned) was an English man whose records later came to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Siam that his other face was a spy sent by the Penang Governor which was owned by the British Government to find news from the Siam Bureau of Royal Household and report back.
Records added that back around that time the British Government always sent merchants as spies while the French Government always sent missionaries as spies.
In the meantime, Mr. Hunter or Robert Hunter born into a family of established Scottish merchants. Though there was no clear record of him, also, being a spy or not but the man always acted like a gangster who liked to express his power to people even to the government officers. His manner meant that he had quite a strong backup, same as Mr. Morgan.
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Together, the two men ran the store for a period of time before Morgan was sent back to England. Hunter’s new commercial partner was another British named Hayes. The store then had its name changed into “Hunter & Hayes”. Not for long, Hayes got dysentery and had to move out of Siam for better medication treatment.
So, Hunter whose English name the Siamese could not pronounce it right so the closest they could do was calling him "Hun-trae" was left to run the business alone. His store was well known among the Siamese as “Hung (store) Huntrae” while other foreigners called it “The British Factory”.
Huntrae was a farang who could communicate in Thai which was quite rare. His fluency in Thai made him crucial in trade and diplomacy between Siamese nobles and visiting merchants.
He married a half-Portuguese half-Siamese named Angelina or Sap (a Thai name, actually according to the right pronunciation, it should be written as 'Sup' and pronounced like “supper” which means ‘asset’) who was from a respected Portuguese family and a descendant of Constantine Phaulkon, the 17th-century adventurer in Siam, intending that he would live the rest of his life in the Kingdom of Siam.
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Time went by, his personality of being not so nice and with the help of his crooked and wily mind, he soon became a rich man.
Once King Rama III needed a lot of muskets to keep stored in the armory for at the time, Siam was having issues with Laos, Huntrae was able to acquire 1,000 of them which were more than needed. That pleased the King so much that he granted the man a noble title (a Luang).
Now that Huntrae was fully equipped with wealth and honor, he did not hesitate to use those mischievously to Siamese people may they be common people or government officers.
He then found a way to manage a deal to cut trade of opium England sent to destroy China to sell in Siam for more money added. The officials all knew but they dared not for Huntrae always claimed that he was a man chosen by English government.
Finally, the climax of the conflict between Huntrae and the Siamese was over the sale of a steamship.
Apprehensive of the British intentions in the region after the First Opium War, King Rama III, having no naval means to combat with, had ordered from “Hunter & Hayes” a large supply of guns and a steamship to use in case the British gunships attacked Siam.
However, the hostilities in China ended with the Treaty of Nanking in 1842 and the British did not proceed to attack Siam. Therefore, the King no longer wanted a steamship but by that time it had arrived in Bangkok in 1844.
That was the first time that the Siamese ever saw a “floating piece of iron” named “Express”.
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(Example of a steamship from that era)
Report said that the sale of the ship was fraught with disagreement. It is unclear whether the King refused to pay the previously agreed price or if Huntrae attempted to extort from him quadruple the value of the vessel but tensions in the negotiations reached a boiling point when Huntrae threatened to sell the “Express” to Siam’s enemy, the Vietnamese.
The King was outraged by the threat and ordered Huntrae to leave the Kingdom of Siam immediately.
On 24 February, Huntrae departed Bangkok on the “Express”, bound for Singapore.
It was said that Huntrae's bad behavior greatly impacted the opinions of King Rama III and gave him pessimism towards not only the British but other foreigners from any nations.
From then on, any emissaries from any nations coming in to negotiate over any subjects would be harder to meet conclusiveness.
There was a note made by Spencer John, a secretary to the British emissary led by Sir John Bowring who came to Siam in the reign of King Rama III in his final years to discuss about international trade and failed:
"We have heard before that he (the King) used to be so fond of the British but lately, his opinions were quite opposite. I believe that the main part was caused by a British trader whose bad behaviors annoyed him and changed his course towards other foreigners. That man has caused great impact to us..."
Some western notes said that Huntrae came back again to Siam more than once but just to sort things out and dissolve his enterprise in order to leave it to Christopher Harvey, an assistant of “Hunter & Hayes” to continue the business in Bangkok before leaving the land for good.
He was said to go back to live the rest of his life in his homeland, Scotland and died in 1848.
More from western notes:
Though being socially adaptable and persuasive, but Huntrae’s "shrewdness and arrogance were more memorable than the streaks of kindness which undoubtedly existed."
During the unsuccessful treaty mission of Sir James Brooke in 1850, King Rama III cited Huntrae's fractious behavior as a reason for rejecting the terms for freer residence of Europeans. The King did not want more troublesome merchants like Huntrae and he distrusted Westerners for the rest of his reign.
Siam's foreign relations did not change until the ascension of King Mongkut (Rama IV).”
However, his son, Robert Hunter Junior still lived in Siam since he had maintained better relationship to the Siamese Government than his father. He died in 1865.
A small note mentioned (translated into English by me) about his death as:
"... on Wednesday of April 1865 Nai (Mr.) Roberd Huntrae, an interpreter/clerk to the office of Chao Praya (noble title granted by the king) Sri Suriyawong died at his home. Rumor says that he died of too much drinking...".
Appendex:
Huntrae is credited with bringing the original Siamese twins to global attention.
In 1824, he was sailing up the Chao Praya River at dusk when he saw a "strange animal" which in actuality are the shirtless twins, bathing.
He befriended Chang and Eng (their actual Siamese names were Chan and In) along with their mother and family, and told them many stories of the wonders of the western world.
Huntrae recognized the potential profit in exhibiting the twins publicly and sought permission from them, their family and the King to bring them to England. While the twins and their family were willing, it took five years to secure permission from the King.
At that time, Huntrae's partner in this business venture was an American sea captain named Abel Coffin. Coffin and Huntrae sailed to Boston with the twins in the summer of 1829. They signed a contract with the twins for a five-year tour. However, the value of the contract is disputed. Huntrae and Coffin said it was for $3,000 while Chang and Eng said it was only for $500.
However, Huntrae’s business in Siam took priority and he departed in 1830 bound for Bangkok. In 1831, Coffin bought out Huntrae's share in the venture. Nevertheless, Huntrae remained in contact with the twins and their family in Siam, regularly corresponding with all parties well into the 1840s.
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Old portraits (probably already seen from somewhere else)
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(Note - The one being erased is distorted. Don't know how to fix it)
Photos shot in 1897, of guardian angels for people who were born on … (details shown below each one starting from Sunday (= Pra Atit))
Note: This is Brahmanism not Buddhism.
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What did those female royalties do in daily life (inside Dusit Palace’s female and children section), King Rama V’s reign.
(Note: Most of the ladies shown were the King’s Royal Concubines)
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(Demonstrating how to use knife and fork)
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(Being renowned as a very skillful photographer, taking a photo of her farther)
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(Eating with hands, old Siamese traditional style)
Dmitri Kessel (20 August 1902 in Kiev, Ukraine – 26 March 1995 in U.S.A.) was a photojournalist and staff photographer on Life magazine known for his courageous coverage of war on the front line. He used to come and work in Siam for a period of time.
Of all the various photos he took in Siam, there were ones which came in a set of more than 10 taken of a lone ‘horticulturist’ girl (sao chao suan) smiling. He seemed impressed of our ‘Land of smiles’ (1950).
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Pierre Joseph Rossier (16 July 1829 – 22 October 1886) was a pioneering Swiss photographer whose albumen photographs, which include stereographs and carte-de-visite, comprise portraits, cityscapes, and landscapes.
During 1861-1862, he stayed in Siam and took uncountable photographs. It seems he was impressed with ‘lakorn (traditional Thai plays)’ so much that among those he took more than 20 photographs.
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(This one below is irrelevant, just that it looks creepy in my eyes)
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My farang friend sent me this clip and asked if I understood why it was hilarious. Of course, I did not get it. I usually don’t get general English/American dialogues let alone puns/slang.
Note, after some effort, I do though…
<font size="4">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovIly_QFRiw
One photo tells a lot...
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In the reign of King Rama II, the great plague happened. People died like dry leaves falling.
According to a tradition that when a commoner died, the funeral could not be held within the city’s area (within the walls surrounding the city of Bangkok). It had to be moved out to ‘wat’ outside, through the gates. These gates were locally called "pratoo (= doors/gates) pee (= ghosts).
Historians learn that there are 3 pratoo pee:
To the north: funerals held at Wat Sangwet
To the south: funerals held at Wat Borpit Pimuk
And to the east: funerals held at Wat Sakate.
This photo of pratoo pee taken in the reign of King Rama V was the most famous one up until now though the ‘gate’ itself has been demolished long time ago. It's pratoo pee in the east leading to Wat Sakate sited on Bumroong Mueng Road.
Though in the reign of King Rama IV, the gate was named officially as ‘Pratoo Samran Rad’ which means ‘Happy People Gate’ but people have never called it. They always used/use its old name, “pratoo pee", until now.
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Boats seen in this photo were called “Ruea (= boats/ships and more) Lao”. They were used for long distance traveling along the rivers. These boats had American flags fixed on tops.
Historians say that they belonged to American missionaries who used them to travel to Chiengmai, the northern center of evangelism which usually took 6 weeks to get there.
The pier was at Wung Lung (now a part of Sirirat Hospital) where the “Kullasatri Wung Lung School (meaning ‘Ladies of Wung Lung’)”, Thailand’s first boarding school for girls and the first kindergarten founded in 1874 (King Rama V’s) by the American Presbyterian Mission was located.
The school has been moved and changed name to “Wattana Wittaya Academy”.
Note: The story was told earlier.
Rak-Yom
Rak-Yom is a term called a set of twin boys carved from two particular kinds of wood that die naturally.
Rak is carved from a root of a ‘rak tree (rak = love; English name: giant India milkweed)’.
Yom is carved from a root of a ‘yom tree (yom = gooseberry)’.
The reason of why picking these two particular trees is traced back to a Brahman mythology telling about two boys. The two boys were granted one wish from a powerful hermit to be the love of everyone.
The images of Rak-Yom are in the forms of ancient styled Thai boys. They are both put in a small glass bottle soaked with fragrant oil with cap tightly closed. Then a type of specific conjuration is performed.
After being conjured, the process is done. The owner will carry this small bottle with him to whatever business he is doing and it will be successful.
Once getting home, Rak-Yom must be put on a certain place. You will provide them with food and toys and speak to them fondly like you do with real children. When you want to achieve something, you will speak to them like they are alive.
However, the fragrant oil must always be filled up. The oil itself is powerful as well. Just apply it on your forehead and you will be loved by anyone!
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Hong Prai
Creating Hong Prai is a cult that is not widespread in Thailand. Mostly it is found in a small village in I-san area by powerful necromancers.
There are several kinds of them. All of them have to come from keeping a skull of a person who dies in agony; may it be by an accident, committing suicide or etc. as it is believed that such person’s spirit cannot move on so they cannot be reincarnate.
A conjugation of black magic will be performed with the skull resulting in trapping the spirit of such person inside the skull.
The person who keeps such a skull must make every day offering with a glass of water and a stick of incense. A must is to offer some special things according to the character of the dead person such as a make-up or perfume if the dead person is a female or toys if it is a child and etc.
When all goes well, Hong Prai will be at your service. Each type of Hong Prai can do different kind of services such as a lady Hong Prai is good at casting charms or a gambler Hong Prai is good at any kind of gambling or a thug Hong Prai is good at attacking people and etc.
Anyway, if something is wrong with the way of treating them, they can backfire violently.
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Aerial photography of some areas in Bangkok shot during late 1940s – early 1950s.
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(Pomprab Satrupai area [Worachak / New Road / Bumrung Muang Roads] – Golden Mount is seen from afar)
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(Middle [section] Ratchadumnern Road – Democracy Monument is seen; Golden Mount far back)
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(Klong Padung Krung Kasem – Hua Lampong [on the left, not seen] area)
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(Ananta Samakom Throne Hall - Royal [former Dusit Palace] Plaza in the foreground)
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([The future] Pratoo Nam area)
Commonly seen but where exactly?
Ratcha Prasong Intersection (early 1960s - no traffic lights yet) – Ratcha Dumri Road; Erawan Hotel is seen
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Ratcha Prasong Intersection – Rama I Road; Gayson Plaza is behind the BOAC building
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New Road; the area around the Grand Postal Building, Bangrak
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Donmuang Airport in your time
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Victory Hotel close to Lerd-Sin Hospital, Silom
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Siriraj Hospital is the oldest and largest hospital in Thailand. It is on the west bank of the Chao Praya River, opposite to Tammasart University's Ta Prachan campus.
The hospital was founded by King Rama V in 1888, two years after a worldwide cholera outbreak. It is named after the king's 18-month-old son, Prince Sirirah Kakuttapan, who had died from dysentery a year before the opening of the hospital.
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In the reign of King Rama V, a Portuguese photographer named Joaquim Antonio had owned a photo shop named “Charoen Krung Photographic Studio” on Charoen Krung Road (known among farang as “New Road”) sited at the entrance of the Soi that led into Oriental Hotel.
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More than 20 years later the shop had been changed hands to a Japanese photographer named Y. Ebata.
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For those who love to read about an adventure in old Siam experienced by a farang, this book written by Hermann Norden (1871-1931) might interest you.
Note: Focusing on Chapter IV (or up to the start, page 71 of Chapter III) – Chapter VI
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The manor of the ruler of Prae (now Province of Prae). It was one of the very few manors of the rulers in the North (Lanna Kingdom) that still exists until today. It was built in 1892 (the reign of King Rama V).
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Koat (= royal urns) contain ashes of Kings and Queens of Chakri Dynasty placed inside Wat Racha Borpit which was built by King Rama V to be ‘Wat of the King’.
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This Wat is the last one for this tradition has been discontinued starting from King Rama VI.
The ground on west side of the Wat serves as the Royal Cemetery with numerous monuments of major and minor members of the Thai Royal Family, 34 at present.
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Two Heads of the Catholic Church and sovereign of the Vatican City State, Pope John Paul II (1984) and Pope Francis (2019), used to visit this Wat to pay respect to His Holiness the Supreme Patriarch.
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An interesting read - thanks once again.Quote:
Originally Posted by nathanielnong
My pleasure, I am glad you like it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shy Guava
By the way, from this memoir, I just remember forgetting to mention, in those articles telling about elephants, that we give titles (What do you call this term in English? For human beings, you call 'honorifics' (Mr., Mrs. and etc.), right?)
We give the titles 'Plai + name' for male elephants and 'Pung + name' for female elephants.
So, when someone mentions 'Today I saw Plai Jum', it means that was a male elephant.
Elephants are so extraordinary in our culture.
Hung (= department store) Sittipan on Fueng Nakorn Road was a premium department store owned by a group of Siamese (the reign of King Rama V; 1868-1910).
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(Today)
I just found more 'E-Book' telling about adventure in old Siam...
The title is:
The Boy Travellers in the Far East, Part Second
Adventures of Two Youths in a Journey to Siam and Java; With Descriptions of Cochin-China, Cambodia, Sumatra and the Malay Archipelago
(Siam - Chapter VIII - XIX)
Written by THOMAS W. KNOX
Published in 1882 with illustrations!
I hope you enjoy it and don't forget my thread!
The Project Gutenberg eBook of the Boy Travellers in the Far East Part Second, by Thomas W. Knox.
The Royal Ratanakosin Hotel is a very old hotel located on the Ratchadumnoen Road. The idea was conceived from King Rama VII who wanted a luxury hotel to welcome foreign travelers but it was built in the reign of King Rama VIII in 1941-42 and opened to public in the next year.
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Originally it was named Ratanakosin Hotel which was run by the Bureau of Crown Property. Since 1970, it has been passed to Ittipon Company for rent.
The hotel was considered the most beautiful and elegant at its time. It was classified as a 5 stared hotel with up to extremely Thai styled furnished 45 guestrooms.
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At first, the hotel had faced loss because it was opened around the same time as the WWII began. The guests had been vanished. Most of the guests left were British and American soldiers.
When the war was over and those soldiers returned to their homelands, the hotel was served for the embassy officers and businessmen from various countries.
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Some records says that along its timeline, the hotel was once changed hands to a Chinese businessman who had changed the hotel’s name to Royal Hotel before taken over by Ittipon Company which has run it until present time.
So, along its timeline, the hotel has had two names; the Ratanakosin Hotel and the Royal Hotel. Anyways, since the locals have always remembered the old name so, finally the two names have been combined to the Royal Ratanakosin Hotel regardless of its official name.
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The hotel is the only one and also the oldest one ever that stands on the Rachadamnoen Road and is considered to be the only one that stands in the heart of Siam/Thailand historic attractions such as the Royal Palace, Sam Luang, Wat Pra Kaew and more. Those are within reach just by walking.
Moreover, the hotel itself has been one of the historic attractions as it has witnessed a lot of country’s important incidents such as 1973 Thai Popular Uprising, the Black (or Bloody) May in 1992 and more. All of those once occurred, the hotel always shared its part as a temporary hospital.
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Nathaniel,
Thank you for taking the time to put this thread together, it is a very enjoyable read covering a wide variety of subjects.
Thank you so much. I really appreciate your compliments, kind of fuel that helps my engine to go on...Quote:
Originally Posted by strigils
In memory of... Jimmie Rodgers
♫.Jimmie Rodgers - T.L.C. Tender Love and Care.. ♫ - YouTube
As far back as I can remember, this song is always in my memory. It's one of the big hits in Bangkok (well, back then Bangkok was considered Thailand). I heard it almost everyday from my grandma's transistor radio.
Great grandfather of the King Rama X (on his mother's side - left) with Charlie Chaplin (1924)
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The Exposition Universelle in Paris, 1900. The Siam section is seen in front of the Japanese section with the Indian section a bit seen in the back
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A retail shop (called in Thai as “ran (= shop) cho-huey”), 1935
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The old location of the Giant Swing (in front of the Brahman’s Temple) before being moved to the current location in the reign of King Rama V (in front of Wat Sutat)
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Wang (= Palace) Paya Thai
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Not many farang know that the Pramongkutklao Hospital sited close to the Victory Monument in Bangkok originally was a big and beautiful palace named “Paya Thai Palace”.
First called as the Royal Mansion, the construction began in 1909. It was built at King Chulalongkorn (King Rama V)'s order so that he might stay there and look out over the farms, plantations, and livestock around the area. He also ordered a complex included in the compound where the Royal Ploughing Ceremony might take place.
Unfortunately, the Royal Mansion was used by King Rama V for a short time as he died months after its completion.
During the reign of his son, King Wachirawut (King Rama VI), Queen Saowapa Pongsri, the Queen Mother, was invited to live there, which she did until her death in 1920.
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After that, the King had the Royal Mansion demolished, leaving only some important buildings including Devaraja Sabharamaya Hall which was served as a Throne Hall.
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In replacement, he ordered many new buildings built together to form a new complex and gave a new title as Paya Thai Royal Palace.
King Rama VI lived at the palace until the later years of his reign when he moved back to stay at the Chakraput Piman Hall at the Grand Palace until his death.
The next king, King Prachatipok (King Rama VII; his youngest brother from the same Queen Mother) ordered the palace be converted into a five star international hotel, an enterprise which ended seven years later in 1932.
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After the business closed, the Paya Thai International Hotel came back to be the Paya Thai Royal Palace and became the site of the first Thai radio broadcast station.
Its last job after a change of the government, some parts the Palace became a clinic for the Royal Thai Army and finally has since changed its name to the Pramongkutklao Hospital opened for public.
The rest have been conserved as museum which are requiring lots of donation.
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(The Make-kala Ruchee Mansion which is a separated small house that I like the most. If you have a chance to visit do not forget this house)