why not ? the actions of High school teenage girls these days is quite similar, and they broadcast themselves with their boyfriends, all for show offQuote:
Originally Posted by patsycat
why not ? the actions of High school teenage girls these days is quite similar, and they broadcast themselves with their boyfriends, all for show offQuote:
Originally Posted by patsycat
You are living in a lala fantasyland if you think that women have the same appetite for casual sex with relative strangers as men do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maanaam
The sapiens in homo sapiens lets us reflect on our natures, discuss them and contemplate the consequences of our future actions among other things. Not everything we do is driven by our evolved natures but when it comes to primal issues such as sexual behaviour which are so closely linked to reproduction which is the key to evolution then you can expect that our behaviour is going to have some strong influences from evolutionary psychology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maanaam
The question from the OP asked us to ponder the promiscuous behaviour of a big titted slapper from Hull and reflect on our feelings. Most folk probably think she is a bit of a slag. Evolution just helps us to understand why we feel this way.
Yes, and as well as wooing the primary male sex drive, it also bridges the gender-specific height gap between men and women.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maanaam
The adaptation of high heels by the females of the species is a wonderful example of evolution.
But more and more are, Looper. Times they are a changing. In my experience (my lifetime), there has always been women happy to have casual sex. It's just a numbers thing. And now it is more socially acceptable in Britain. It doesn't mean that everybody likes it, agrees with it or does it, but it happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
That's a very creative interpretation of the OP, Looper, but it's not what I wrote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
Evolution is just your buzz-word to try to win an argument about women's sexual behaviour. Social mores in Britain are obviously much different than in the conservative society of the Gold Coast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
Well, you've had your experiences, and I've had mine. That you have never come across a woman that wants to jump your bones, never had a midnight booty call and I have, does not mean I'm living in lala land, it just means either you're not attractive to women (and with your attitude towards them, I'm not surprised), or you don't go out much. Those are the only two explanations I can think of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
Patsy....you like sex, don't you? You'd make a move on someone you want, wouldn't you? Or would you be demure and just hope he makes the first move and risk disappointment if he doesn't? And you wouldn't expect him to marry you?
Just asking....and it doesn't prove anything about women in general...but it would be nice to hear a lady's opinion on this.
Women (or men) that wear spike heeled shoes are after one up the trumper.
It's against all evolutionary theory.
FACT.
I accept that fear of social censure might be a minor influencing factor in driving women's sexual behaviour and that this factor may have recently declined since women nowadays are generally encouraged not to let their gender hold them back from life's experiences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neverna
However I think men and women have distinct sexually evolved behavioural traits. Men are on average much more inclined to desire casual sex. Women are less inclined to engage in sex with relative strangers. I think these disparate desires are in the genes for the reasons I have outlined (it would make sense if these behaviours had evolved due to the female burden of child-rearing). I think men chasing women is also everyone's common experience of the sexual game (Maanaam's outstanding achievements notwithstanding!) which supports this idea.
The basic argument in favour of women being entitled to act promiscuously without fear of social censure is that the imperative for women to behave 'properly' is entirely cultural (rather than an evolved behaviour) and that it is something that can be easily repealed and swept away. I don't think this is the case given the overwhelming likelihood that the obvious behavioural differences between men and women when it comes to the sexual game (which Maanaam has been uniquely fortunate as a male never to have encountered) would have had very strong evolutionary drivers.
Perhaps in the interests of fairness we should discourage such censure but I think due to the nature of the sexual game and the way it has shaped the respective male and female psyches there will likely always be a sense that a woman behaving promiscuously is doing something wrong.
And then there was the Pill which changed all the usual fears of getting pregnant.
A lot women are like the guys now.
In aussieland they like to do it by phone though.
Ahhh, yes. The pill. That was indeed a turning point.Quote:
Originally Posted by billy the kid
I've made moves, but never arched my back and wiggled my bum like a gorilla!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Maanaam
It's with anyone, you can make your move on your prey - it works or it doesn't. Now I am older, I enjoy a laugh more than getting down and dirty. Men still try it on, but i usually prefer just to talk.
Marriage?!! Nah, did that a long time ago.
The old saying is very true,he chased her until she caught him.
^Yes indeed, women like to be chased. To choose a mate they try to attract the highest qauntity and quality of males to select a partner from, which is why they wear makeup, dress in a way that will draw a males sexual attention and engage in brazen acts of lordosis.
Another problem with female promiscuity from an evolutionary point of view which has not been mentioned is that when a male makes the decision to pair-bond with a female and raise children with her he meeds to be sure he is making a safe bet.
When a woman invests time and energy raising a child she knows 100% for sure that the child is her own flesh and blood. When a male invests his time and energy raising a child he is less than 100% sure that the child is his flesh and blood unless he watches the woman 100% of the time.
If a woman has a history of sexual promiscuity then that is red flag for a male that engaging her in a committed relationship is a risky bet. The probability that he will expend time and effort in nurturing another fella's DNA goes up when he pair-bonds with a woman who has a track record as a slag.
Of course the world we live in today has many mitigations against these risks but the world in which our respective male and female psychologies evolved did not which explains our naturally hostile reaction to female promiscuity.
Why men underestimate how much women want sex
It's an age-old stereotype that when it comes to sex, men want it more than women. However, a study is challenging that thinking.
The research, published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, based on three studies of long-term, established couples, found that men often underestimate their partner's sexual desire.
The same is not true for men and women when they first meet. Past research has consistently shown that men tend to perceive a greater sexual interest from women based on their behaviour at initial contact. This is often explained by evolutionary psychology – that men cannot afford to miss out on a mating opportunity, and are thus overly optimistic about their chances.
So why are men missing the signals when it comes to long-term relationships?
Why men underestimate how much women want sex
Well, that or the fact that you're an unevolved misogynistic, blowhard, troglodyte stuck in a mental time-warp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
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Hey Bobo, that has already been covered in post #69. What point are you trying to make?Quote:
Originally Posted by bobo746
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Originally Posted by AntRobertson
Ant, do you not find it at least interesting to explore the evolutionary reasons why 'traditional' attitudes may have formed they way they have? That does not mean that we cannot be progressive in taking steps to moderate attitudes in the present to take into account other issues such as freedom and individuality but if we do so from a position of understanding the drivers underlying traditional attitudes then we will make more reliable progress.
Why are you going into all the psychology stuff.
Simples, man and woman meet, like each other, have sex, basta!!
If i went down to my local with Loopers 10 page thesis, they would find me alone, because the men who may chat to me would find it extremely boring and a bit of a turn off.
Pheronomes - that's what attracts people.
I smell lovely, White Musk from the Body Shop gets my leg over every time!! And of course the usual, smooth silky legs, nice clean hair, good manicure and pedicure. And a smile.
And my cheeky little giggle!!??
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
S if you ever start actually doing that instead of babbling your usual myopic, circular and logical fallacy-ridden drivel do let me know.
And nice breasts, particularly on the ladies.Quote:
Originally Posted by patsycat
Well I think that is an oversimplification of sexual politics Patsy.Quote:
Originally Posted by patsycat
Are you not curious why women who are promiscuous have traditionally been viewed as 'slags' with something to be ashamed about whereas men who do the same were seen as 'studs' with bragging rights?
I think it is interesting to try and understand the reasons behind these traditional views.
Some people think that discussing these ideas is dangerous to the aims of social 'progress' and we should maintain a politically correct silence about evolutionary reasons behind old-fashioned attitudes. I do not agree. I think if someone maintains that their progressives views are correct because this speculation about evolutionary psychology is rubbish then their moral position will be in trouble of it turns out not to be rubbish. If, on the other hand, we accept the likely truth of evolutionary psychology but still maintain that their are good reasons to support progressive views on other moral grounds (such as individuality and freedom) then those progressive views are safer and stronger since they are not at risk from science bearing out the likely truth of evolutionary psychology.
That's societal attitudes, not biological, and shows why you're missing the bus on this topic, mixing societal values with evolutionary progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
I don't think anyone dismisses your evolutionary theories, at least not when it comes to homo sapien females of 10 000 years ago, but the theories do not apply today (as much....not nearly as much).
Ant and Patsy deserve a green....unfortunately TD has restricted how much love I can spread, for now.
The mini skirt,, :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Maanaam
Thank you, yes. The mini was an effect of the advent of the pill. Women could advertise openly.Quote:
Originally Posted by billy the kid
Yes, that is important, Patsy, but it's also important for men to be clean. A woman once confided in me that she was recently feeling horny and saw a guy she thought about having a bit of "fun" with. However, as they chatted together, she noticed his dirty fingernails and decided those fingers were not going to explore the depths of her body. If only he'd kept his nails clean!Quote:
Originally Posted by patsycat