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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Pat
    I thought it said 'Apes, how do they make money?'
    roadblocks usually

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    There is even a fake GPS locator app so you can look like you are at work while you are on the job....
    GPS spoofing for real modifies the GPS returns to make them appear to be in a different location. Similar in principle to RGPO jammers against Radar....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hazz
    back to gps
    The thread is about Apps Hazz, apps.

    By all means, start a technical gps thread in the rain man section.

    no prattmaster, the thread was about your paranoid fantasies.... hence your need to link 9 hour unabridged readings of books.

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    Spazz you...well spazz, , the thread is about why companies that supply apps that provide games etc require access to things such as your microphone, camera and all your files, and that you have to accept that before you use them (i.e grant that permission). I know you're away with the fairies, but maybe you might try your very hardest to see the relevance behind perhaps understanding what is going on.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazz
    hence your need to link 9 hour unabridged readings of books.
    It's rather a famous book hazz (1984 ) - maybe they haven't translated it into your mother tongue yet?

    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

    And after that, you can go down the pub.

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    Some apps have a legitimate reason for access to certain parts of your device (i.e., access to storage to save files the app has produced, access to location for apps that use that function - such as Google maps when you click to centre on your location). A few app developers even say why they need such access. However, in my experience, the vast majority just say they want access and don't say why, which IMO is crap of them. The worst, IMO, is when they give you the option to allow them to update the app in the future without asking you again. That's when they can (legitimately because you've given consent) access whatever the hell they like.

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    ^Exactly as you say.

    Not difficult to work out which apps might need access to which types of file/info.

    Also easy to see which are taking the piss and asking for permissions way beyond their functions.

    ALL - nameless, faceless companies with a PO box.

    And our kids download all the games with this invasive software onto our machines (as we let them play with them - of course)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper View Post
    Not difficult to work out which apps might need access to which types of file/info.

    Also easy to see which are taking the piss and asking for permissions way beyond their functions.
    Exactly. Any that ask for permissions that aren't obviously necessary for the app to function get rejected by me. Fuckem. Even some decent looking apps take the piss (IMVHO).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna
    However, in my experience, the vast majority just say they want access and don't say why,
    the vast majority of apps are cobbled together with code that was re-used and the cobblers have no real idea of its calls

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper
    Also easy to see
    no it is not unless you are looking at all the socket requests with an outside device

    the hubub last week shows how much code is borrowed
    If you torture data for enough time , you can get it to say what you want.

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    Don't be silly baldric. its all a carefully planned out conspiracy between big government and big faceless cooperates.

    I could not possibly be because most of the programmers that write apps are millennial's with their hubris, and little to no commercial awareness, sense of privacy or frankly common sense. Morons that get malware because they used pirate versions of free software. managed by people who do not understand the risks they are teething these chaps get up to.

    Generally apps are not written with a limited set of permissions available to the developers. they see this as self inflicted bug generators. at the end of the project they, If allowed, just ask for everything as this gets the job done quick. if you bully them they remove permissions until something breaks, put it back in and say job done.... hence the excessive permission requests.

    And as baldric pointed out... even the developers don't understand what their app does. As demonstrated by this tale of developer pain at the hands of apple

    However this is not the point.... dapper's very good at mrs the point, it want happens when you cannot tell, rather like trump, the difference between fact and fiction...

    The issue in the bigger picture is analytics and the collection of meta data. Its driven by the huge differences in pay outs for click throughs, from nothing to in excess of 100 pounds each. small improvements in the payout and click-through rates make massive differences to revenues.
    Hence the incentive to collect and analyst everything.... It is the issue this creates that's the point. A taster being
    Mastercard, AmEx Quietly Feed Data to Advertisers

    The Re-Identification Of Anonymous People With Big Data
    When Big Data Marketing Becomes Stalking

    Fundamentally It comes down to who owns our meta data. Is it curly the property of the people who collected it.... or do we have some ownership interest... should they need permission to collect, use and sell it, how explicit should they have to be when asking for that permission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick
    no it is not
    Fair point

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