Jock's Trapped a Scottish dilemma

[david44]

As a Celt I have a deep and enduring love of beautiful Scotland its people.
One of my dearest friends and Dr were Scots and would be very happy to return to live, for the 2 week summer! The r3 conference in St Andrews next week suffices.
The outer hebrides and adjacent mainland fabulous, Morar, EIgg and the borders.


Scotland's old order plots a restoration - New Statesman

In 1985, Neal Ascherson compared the different attitudes which the English and the Scots have to their national histories. When the English think of their past, he argued, they “are gazing from the terrace of a country house down carefully-landscaped perspectives of barbered lawns and positioned trees”. The eye is carefully guided towards a clear focal point: a single, national story, leading neatly up to the present and keeping the past safely organised in the past.
Scots, however, have a wholly different relationship to their inheritance. Instead of a clear linear narrative, Ascherson described Scottish history as “a scrapbook of highly coloured, often bloody scenes or tableaux whose sequence or relation to one another is obscure”. Without much context or perspective in the popular imagination, these scenes might as well have happened yesterday. Scotland’s past can never stay still; it is a black shadow that moves under the waves, looming up to the surface whenever blood is in the water.


Blood is in the water now, and the past is roaring back. When Humza Yousaf decided on 25 April to unilaterally end the Bute House Agreement between the SNP and the Scottish Greens, which guaranteed his government a majority at Holyrood, we must imagine him transporting in and out of time, flickering rapidly through centuries of national self-sabotage: there he is at Flodden in 1513, getting slaughtered by the English with James IV; in Darien, 1699, dying of malaria; shivering in a cave with Bonnie Prince Charlie, wondering where it all went wrong; then finally back to Bute House and its Disagreement, with that always-haunted look on his face like Banquo just walked in.


When the SNP-Green “co-operation agreement” was signed on August 2021, it seemed like a rare instance of genuine political optimism. By bringing the Greens into government after the 2021 Holyrood election, Nicola Sturgeon hoped to guarantee a stable majority and inject some new, youthful energy to her party’s 14-year reign. The Greens, boasting an increasingly professionalised operation of focus groups and well-aimed retail policies, were keen to demonstrate their credibility in office. This was not a coalition, they said; within the agreement were reserved areas, such as GDP growth and Nato membership after independence, where they could agree to disagree. But the Greens bagged themselves two ministerial posts and a lengthy shared policy platform, with a flagship Tenants’ Rights Bill that has only just begun its journey through Parliament.


Opposition came from many powerful quarters – economically, it united small businesses, landlords and fossil fuel lobbyists; culturally, it drew together religious conservatives and ageing liberals, whose horror at Green “identity politics” is often tellingly expressed through dogwhistles about “deviants”; politically, it gave the unionist parties a wedge within the SNP to lean on, hard.
All of this dissent was expertly curated by the Scottish press. Whether the complainers were small business owners struggling with bottle labels or humble fishermen facing ruin, they found themselves spoken for by a print media bright-eyed with new, crusading purpose: prodding the weak spots of this happy new relationship, and asking the public over and over again if they really wanted these weirdo Greens in power.
Neither Green voters nor Green members particularly care what Scotland’s old establishment says or thinks, because they tend to get their news and ideas elsewhere. The party’s polling actually improved, if anything, throughout years of non-stop bombardment. But the SNP is a more typically bourgeois party that cares deeply about establishment credibility. At first, Sturgeon’s popularity was weighty enough to shrug this off. But her resignation in 2021, followed by the escalation of a police investigation into the SNP’s finances, turned the Bute House Agreement into a battlefield.
In the bitter leadership contest which followed, Yousaf’s pro-Green pitch narrowly won. His chief opponent, Kate Forbes, emerged as the media’s favourite standard-bearer for a silent majority that was being deftly concocted from an uncertain, impressionable electorate still reeling from Sturgeon’s sudden demise. From a confident, daring attempt to refresh itself, the SNP was plunged into paranoid introspection.
Once in office, Yousaf could not hold back the flood of hostility. Under pressure, he pondered, postponed, panicked and pivoted, eventually trying to reassure middle Scotland by dusting off Alex Salmond’s vote-winning council tax freeze. After over a decade of cuts to the revenues and autonomy of local government, this was the first major indication that Yousaf was no longer looking to the Greens, who favour decentralisation, for renewal.
The biggest risk to the Bute House Agreement, however, was never either party’s policies or politicians – it was Green members. The Scottish Green Party is an unusually democratic party, and its members anxiously guard a wide range of principled positions that go in and out of fashion. This month, in the wake of the Cass Review, Glasgow’s gender identity service paused the prescription of puberty blockers for new patients under 18. Then the Scottish Government abandoned its commitment to cut carbon emissions by 75 per cent by 2030. Under pressure from frustrated activists, the Greens agreed to an Extraordinary General Meeting to debate the continuation of the Bute House Agreement. Fearing the humiliation of being dumped by a room full of Green Party members, Humza Yousaf decided to look tough and dump first.
As a reward for his decisiveness, Yousaf now faces the honour of being dumped by a slightly more powerful group of people: Members of the Scottish Parliament. Before they were pushed out, the Green co-leaders had begun their campaign to continue with the Bute House Agreement. Ejected from office for the crime of trying to keep things together, they are furious. They intend to vote for a motion of no confidence in the First Minister next week, leaving Yousaf’s fate in the hands of Alba’s Ash Regan, who came third place in the contest for SNP leader. Yousaf may be gone before then. If he survives, he is unlikely to last long.
The immediate consequences of all this may not be especially profound. If Yousaf stays, or falls and is replaced by someone similar like Neil Gray or Màiri McAllan, the SNP should be able to work with the Greens on an issue by issue basis, especially on key policies such as rent controls, and could find it easier to navigate separately through opposition assaults. But the fall of the Bute House Agreement has given morale and momentum to a small-c conservative coalition which can now set its sights on something bigger.


They are closer than ever to the return of one of those scenes from the past that lie so close to the surface in Scotland: an election that restores devolution’s old guard, flaunting their concern with “real issues” over “identity politics”, who did such a good job ruling Scotland in the 2000s that the SNP managed to win an outright majority by the end of it. This is not just the Scottish Labour Party, which retains many of the same people and the same philosophy as it did then; it is also the civil-society establishment of wonks, lobbyists and journalists who never properly adjusted to the SNP’s half-baked revolution against the status quo, and find the Greens
intolerable. When that old order fell, it took the form of a well-earned landslide, and a clear step towards something genuinely new. After a decade and a half, the Bute House Agreement breathed new life into those fading hopes. Now it seems more likely that real change will come crawling out of a tomb, in a faded red rosette.
The political risks of the deal to the SNP were clear from the start. The SNP’s big tent had already begun to bulge and tear, over Gender Recognition in particular, and the Greens are fierce supporters of trans rights. Once the Greens got started in office, new fissures emerged, especially over a deposit return scheme for glass bottles and the creation of Highly Protected Marine Areas, both of which were abandoned. These, alongside broader Green positions on economic growth and ending fossil fuels, neither of which were part of the Agreement, attracted frantic dissent

[Neverna]

I'll bet 10 Scottish Pounds that Humza Yousaf won't be First Minister for much longer.

[Bonecollector]

^Thank God for that...next stooge up

[david44]

If all the MSP charged, I think you could do a better job, while a great grannie and a fondness for cullen skink and smokey Malts I'll volunteer be your valet/haggis carrier at Bute house.

After we have tracked Mendy, surely the burning issue in't misgendering but where's Nessy ? in Nicola's mobile home or like a limpet on the keel of Tighten Uranus pipe wibbler

[Joe 90]

One down two to go!

Sunak and Khan to go next.

[cyrille]

One down two to go!

Sunak and Khan to go next.

Yes, that doesn't seem stupidly racist at all.

[britanicus123]

One down two to go!

Sunak and Khan to go next.

No chance of getting rid of the Pakistani dwarf mayor, most of London are like him!

[britanicus123]

Yes, that doesn't seem stupidly racist at all.

Especially as race is not mentioned!

[cyrille]

Especially as race is not mentioned!

No, so there's no chance it is, eh.

Especially since someone completely obsessed by race gives it his stamp of approval.

[Joe 90]

What race is incompetent?

[cyrille]

What race is incompetent?

I can't say I'd noticed, sarge.

[cyrille]

To put Sadiq Khan on the same level as Sunak regarding incompetence shows how you will vote, anyway.

At heart you're still a little englander with a side of racism, no matter how Sunak lurches from one almighty cock up to another.

[Joe 90]

shows how you will vote, anyway.

Which party fo you think I'll vote for?

[Pragmatic]

What race is incompetent?

The human one.

[Bonecollector]

If Cyrille was a race, I would definitely be racist against it

Scotland should dump the SNP, bunch of stooges using the nationalism card to create some woke dystopia and to destroy everything which is great about Scotland and its tough people. You may get independence but you'll end up being controlled by merely a different hand and one which is totally debauch and sinister at heart.

[Neverna]

^ Wasn't it the Greens that were the 'woke' party in the SNP/Greens cooperation agreement relationship and the SNP appeasing them to be able to stay in power?

[Joe 90]

The human one.

I concur!

[Joe 90]

To put Sadiq Khan on the same level as Sunak regarding incompetence shows how you will vote, anyway.

At heart you're still a little englander with a side of racism, no matter how Sunak lurches from one almighty cock up to another.

Shows you how little you know.

But don't let that get in the way of your assumptions.


Because you made the assumption that because I wanted all three politicians gone, you naturally assumed that I was making a racist comment based on your assumptions of their ethnicity and not their incompetence.

Who is the racist?

[cyrille]

Right, so them being the country’s most prominent British Asians is a complete coincidence.

Got it.

[Bonecollector]

^ Wasn't it the Greens that were the 'woke' party in the SNP/Greens cooperation agreement relationship and the SNP appeasing them to be able to stay in power?

Yes and no, the new hate crime law was well in the works before they had to join with the greens.

The cronies who control the SNP and not the MP's or supporters, are a bunch of fakes. Any grab for independence isn't in the interest of righting a centuries old wrong, it is in the interest of them having the ability to shape Scotland into a very different beast than what your everyday Scot would really want and all without the claws of Westminster to stop them.

Alba Alba Alba Alba

Also Nicola Sturgeon’s woke authoritarianism - spiked

[Bonecollector]

Right, so them being the country’s most prominent British Asians is a complete coincidence.

Got it.

Oh do fuck off and fix your camera you twat, isn't it a bit late in 'Thailand'......

[Joe 90]

Right, so them being the country’s most prominent British Asians is a complete coincidence.

Got it.

Is that what you call projection?

BTW which party do you reckon I'm voting for?

I suspect you have never voted in the UK in your life you tax dodger, so it does beg the question...What the fvvk are you doing on this thread?

[Joe 90]

The cronies who control the SNP and not the MP's or supporters, are a bunch of fakes. Any grab for independence isn't in the interest of righting a centuries old wrong, it is in the interest of them having the ability to shape Scotland into a very different beast than what your everyday Scot would really want and all without the claws of Westminster to stop them.

I concur.

The parasites need hung, drawing and quartering.

[Neverna]

The cronies who control the SNP and not the MP's or supporters, are a bunch of fakes. Any grab for independence isn't in the interest of righting a centuries old wrong, it is in the interest of them having the ability to shape Scotland into a very different beast than what your everyday Scot would really want and all without the claws of Westminster to stop them.

Alba Alba Alba Alba

That's an interesting angle, Boney. I haven't heard that before. Who are the people who control the SNP? And what kind of Scotland do they want?

[Bonecollector]

I couldn't specifically answer any of those questions, I will freely admit this is just my hunch. Come independence and I do hope that comes, I do not feel they serve the interests and persona of the Scottish people and that they would be the wrong type of people to lead Scotland into a new dawn.