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Originally Posted by Bobcock

Originally Posted by Wally Dorian Raffles

Our bowling is world class,

Sorry I have to take issue with this statement, not in relation to your Aussies so much but the general use of the term.....

Warne and McGrath were World Class.... these guys are not.

The only World Class bowler in that series was Swann and even then I don't feel that he is wholly worthy of the term.

Feel free to use the term if you feel it suits but for me world Class means the best in the world at what they do and there are only 11-15 world Class players in the World at any time.

Perhaps I used the term world class a little too loosely, but our bowling set up is definitely up with the best of them. You guys go on about how England didn't even play that well, but you are not giving credit where credit is due. Most of your batsmen did not perform for a reason - Australia bowled very well. It was our batting that let us down which was no surprise.

Harris is 'world class' when fit, the problem is he has to be kept in cotton wool . His stats are awesome from the matches he has been fit in though. It's still early days for Starc and pattinson ( and we have Cummins waiting in the ranks) and I predict these guys will take over from steyn once he retires in the coming years as the top ranked quick bowlers. Faulkner has been great in state cricket as a bowling alrounder, and he brings to the team another Watson type option as he can bat too. Watson bowls persistent line and length and bowls very economically as wellbas taking wickets. Yes, we are still lacking a decent spinner but Lyon is underrated and has had to deal with being in and out of the team while the selectors search for our next big spin thing.

Again, you have to give credit where credit is due - we bowled very well.

I am quite happy with our bowling set up , and expect our quicks to give you guys a tough time down under.

Originally Posted by Bobcock

To think we have won an ashes Series 3-0 whilst 2 of our top line batsmen have failed and a third (Root) having looked good because of a single innings......

Prior has also failed to get the runs required......

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Why did your best batsmen fail Bob?

good bowling?

You accuse willy and I of being one eyed , but you have have had your rose colored glasses on whilst bathing in victory, and prefer to call our strengths your failures - and have been just as guilty as us when getting the banter in the way of seeing things as they are.

Yep. It's the scoreboards that count - but session for session - it was a very close series.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

I thought Rogers was the pick of the Aussie batsmen. He was the only guy who you could trust to dig in and keep a level head.

While I gained respect for Clarke (or was it sympathy?) there's no way he's the best captain in test cricket. A bit of bias there methinks.

Harris was the best Aussie bowler - Swann the best bowler out there with Broad and Anderson making very significant contributions when it mattered. Those three and maybe Tremlett (who has done it before) or Bresnan (if fit) will tear through Australia in the return series which I predict England to win 3-1.

Once Clarke gets a few more batsmen, his captaincy will be appreciated more. He was much more tactical than cook - who failed for the most part against our good bowling. In fact, I don't think he ever does so well against decent bowling.

3-1 down under is a gutsy call marmers. Unfortunately we don't have much chance to tests out some of the batsmen waiting in the ranks before ashes part 2 , because we have to go and play a very poorly scheduled 7 ODI's in India before we meet again, but conditions will suit us down there - as long as the curators prepare bouncy pitches and not roads - which suit England's 'patient' style of batting. I'm predicting australia to win 2-1, with a couple of draws with roads produced as CA puts $$$ in front of our team winning and has a habit of preparing pitches that will ensure 5 days of cricket
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I think you did bowl quite well in the series but potential to be the best in the future does not make anyone world class in my eyes.

It was a closer series than some expected but for me it was always going to have ups and downs but england would win.

The series down under will be the same but will be closer on the scoreboard. Could well be a drawn series.

To me though Cook has underperformed, his concentration has seemed off, or mores the point he's been trying too hard and has hampered himself......

I'd rather see a proper opener with Root lower down the order at 6. Notice I didn't include him in the underperformers, he has been got out, no doubt about it. I don't think the position suits him.

Originally Posted by Bobcock

In fact, I don't think he ever does so well against decent bowling.

You should think of a nickname for him to go with shit bloke, Jarpie, Pie Chucker.... Flat Track Bully is the standard one for an runs scorer who can only do it when things are easy......

Right the series is over, the English hold the ashes and we have to work out a way to get it back.

When you sit back and look at the games played the stand out players for me were:

England:
1. Ian Bell: He scored runs consistently and done more to pull victory away from Australia then anyone else. For me the player of the series.
2. The England bowlers once again proved consistent in line and length and could pull out devastating spells from nowhere when needed to save games.

Australia:
1. The bowlers had the England batting at their mercy on a number of occasions and Bell stepped in to save the day. Fair play to them and I am confident they will prosper down under if they can work out Bell's weaknesses.
2. I thought Steve Smith, who was originally selected in the team as a leg spinner really done himself proud this series. He will turn out to be a better batsman because of this experience.
3. The team as a whole seamed to gel better even when losing games they could have won. If 100% unification can be achieved and the batting order settled once and for all this team can win the ashes back. Of course injury and fitness is obviously a consideration and the English bowlers look far more fit then our blokes.

In summary:

I thought the England bowlers bowled within their limits mostly looking to stop the run flow and frustrate the Aussie top order batsmen. Then one bowler would let fly with a devastating spell and the game was virtually over.

The Aussie bowlers looked like they were trying to bowl as fast and aggressively as they could from the first ball and whilst this worked on a number of occasions they just ran out of steam and Bell ground them into the ground. When you bowl as they did injuries happen and they need to control themselves as the English did.

Swan is a great bowler and although he did not take as many wickets as he should have he has the measure of most of the Aussie top order and will take that fear down under. He also set up a lot of wickets for the fast bowlers because of his consistent good line and length.

The bottom line is that England walloped the convicts 3-0 without ever playing at their best. So they have three months to sort things out before going to Australia where no doubt they will have to play a bit nearer their best.

Pretty good analysis there LT.

Australia really need to find a number 3/4, Clarke clearly wants to bat at 5.

Watson did well at 3....is it a one off or could he be the answer?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The bottom line is that England walloped the convicts 3-0 without ever playing at their best. Blah blah blah.....

Do you just copy and paste your previous posts and repost them Harry

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Watson did well at 3....is it a one off or could he be the answer?

Watson has been tried at 3 before, but failed. He complains when he has to bowl when he bats up the order, but Clarke has made it clear that his place in the team requires him to bowl for us. I quite like him down at 6, but we shuffle the order every match, so who knows where he will end up.

Originally Posted by Wally Dorian Raffles

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The bottom line is that England walloped the convicts 3-0 without ever playing at their best. Blah blah blah.....

Do you just copy and paste your previous posts and repost them Harry

You just need to face the truth Wally. Your team are shit blokes.

3-0
but look at the averages

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You just need to face the truth Wally. Your team are shit blokes.

Don't know bout them being shit blokes . . . shit players, yes

Originally Posted by Bobcock

the Wally & Willy show has drifted between the sublime and the ridiculous.

Jaysus, did you miss me being the first to congratulate you ungrateful bastards everytime you won test and the series ?

Originally Posted by Bobcock

It was a closer series than some expected but for me it was always going to have ups and downs but england would win.

As I predicted prior to the start of the series also.

Originally Posted by Bobcock

The series down under will be the same but will be closer on the scoreboard. Could well be a drawn series.

A better prediction that Marmite. Drawn is a possibility, Aussies could win this too... just not sure at this stage.

Though as Wally mentioned the freaking ODI are not gonna help much.

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Watson did well at 3....is it a one off or could he be the answer?

Lucky, he aint a number 3.


truth is, we dont have one.

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

3-0
but look at the averages

^ here's the bowling:

Cricket Records | The Ashes, 2013 | Records | Best bowling figures in an innings | ESPN Cricinfo

Most wickets : Cricket Records | The Ashes, 2013 | Records | Most wickets | ESPN Cricinfo

( Harris is 2 wickets behind swann and didn't play in the first test)

Harris wickets came TEN runs cheaper than swann's also.

Best bowler in the series.

It's over now Wally you got beat 3-0.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Though as Wally mentioned the freaking ODI are not gonna help much.

You might have a chance in those, England are fielding a load of youngsters and n00bs.

Originally Posted by daveboy

It's over now Wally you got beat 3-0.

Yeah yeah yeah. I know that Dave.

There is no harm in going through post series stats.

That's what true cricket fans do.

As opposed to sticking your fingers in yer ear , wiggling your fingers and childishly chanting "scoreboard , scoreboard "

Australian fans were accused of being cocky and arrogant during our long winning streak, but you English fans take the cake.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Though as Wally mentioned the freaking ODI are not gonna help much.

You might have a chance in those, England are fielding a load of youngsters and n00bs.

Please try and keep up Harry.

We are talking about the series in India before Ashes part 2 down under.

Here's the batting stats with 4 Aussies in the top 6.

Cricket Records | The Ashes, 2013 | Records | Most runs | ESPN Cricinfo

Bell is the only real stand out with an average of 62. He deserves more credit than the ladyboy for you guys keeping the urn.

So your batsmen and bowlers are better and your WK had an Ashes record.....and we all know Strayans have a greater will to win than any other sporting nation, they tell us that often enough....

Something must be wrong Wally....

Originally Posted by Wally Dorian Raffles

Australian fans were accused of being cocky and arrogant during our long winning streak, but you English fans take the cake.

You should be on stage. You'll be telling us that Ausies aren't a bunch of whinging girls next...

Originally Posted by Bobcock

we all know Strayans have a greater will to win than any other sporting nation,

Goes a long way to explaining why we 'batted far above our station' in life for quite a few years, I'd say. We've had our turn for far longer than we should have and will now sink into mediocrity for a long while.

Now it is just about money rather than the spirit of winning