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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkandrew
    ^Completely agree.
    Thank god for that win and I would say that Aussie Cricket has not waned, it is just that everyone else (India and South Africa) has caught up to their high standard.
    We will see how much your blokes have improved mate and during the upcoming ashes tour and this summer's results is exactly what the aussies needed to clear out the cobwebs. A good kick in the arse is what they needed and they received it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    Joking aside, more conclusive proof that Test Match Cricket is KING and one day stuff ain't worth diddly.
    You could not have been more astute with regard to your statement mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkandrew
    ^Completely agree.
    Thank god for that win and I would say that Aussie Cricket has not waned, it is just that everyone else (India and South Africa) has caught up to their high standard.
    We will see how much your blokes have improved mate and during the upcoming ashes tour and this summer's results is exactly what the aussies needed to clear out the cobwebs. A good kick in the arse is what they needed and they received it.
    I was actually referring to Bobcock's assessment of the respective values of Test Cricket, rather than ODI's...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    Joking aside, more conclusive proof that Test Match Cricket is KING
    I was on the end of my seat, Graeme Smith, what a tough bastard.

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    the next test between these 2 great cricketing nations is on the 26th feb in Jo'burg

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    let's hope that smith's hand has repaired

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    Smith out. Ausssie win, the Test, but it doesn't mean much...55555
    Actually it does Bob!

    Because of that win Australia retain number 1 cricket nation in the world status and still not have been white washed for over 122 years on Aussie soil.

    Pretty important win I reckon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy
    Quote: Originally Posted by Bobcock Joking aside, more conclusive proof that Test Match Cricket is KING and one day stuff ain't worth diddly. You could not have been more astute with regard to your statement mate.
    Yea maybe. But the one day is made for a different market. Everyone is back at work and they don't have days to watch the test. You can listen to the first half of the one dayer on the sly at work, and then come home, or go to the game to see the rest. One day is great because you have a result the same day.

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    Pietersen resigns as England captain!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Longprong
    But the one day is made for a differnt market.
    I also agree with you JL and I do also love the one day event but feel that real cricket is the good old test series like the one that we just witnessed.

    In fact in both tests both sides were in a winning position at some stage of each game and it was really intriguing to see the matches swing to one sides favour.

    South Africa deserved the series win and now it is up to the Aussies to respond.

    They took the first step and in doing this in this final test win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy
    In fact in both tests both sides were in a winning position at some stage of each game and it was really intriguing to see the matches swing to one sides favour.
    Yes LT, what a great series. I reckon it was good to lose, for us and the game. It was getting a bit boring to tell the truth for me. I was in Sydney for the new year test last year and was quite sorry to see the crap that went on then. Not only amongst the cricketers, but the crowd, like a lot of big spoilt kiddies. It was like someone had taken their lolly away when they started to get hit all over the pitch and another team stood up to them. Not that I was in favour of those other bastrads, but they deserved a fair go from the crowd. It was great to see the crowd stand for Smith today. I think they recognised that even if we won today, we had been comprehsively beaten, and they showed their respect. It really restored my faith in the Aussie fair go spirit thingo.

    Yes for sure the Test series is the main game. I hope it doesn't get buried by the changing game marketing.

    Anyway, lets see how they reform. It is obvious that new blood works, so I would expect to see quite a few of the old boys to get the flick to make way for the young talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by good2bhappy
    Pietersen resigns as England captain!
    Has the coach resigned as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    Joking aside, more conclusive proof that Test Match Cricket is KING and one day stuff ain't worth diddly.
    yup.

    never any doubt in my mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy
    I would say that Aussie Cricket has not waned, it is just that everyone else (India and South Africa) has caught up to their high standard.
    not exactly sure about that, we have a completely new bowling line up, and at times it was very pedestrian, aussie team is not the same one anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by Butch
    I was on the end of my seat, Graeme Smith, what a tough bastard.
    absolutely, hats off to him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Longprong
    I think they recognised that even if we won today, we had been comprehsively beaten, and they showed their respect.
    yup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy
    I would say that Aussie Cricket has not waned, it is just that everyone else (India and South Africa) has caught up to their high standard.
    I must say that i disagree whole heartedly with that one.

    You don't take two (all time) world class bowlers (McGrath and Warne) and a destructive all rounder (Gilchrist) out of a team and not experience a downturn. Even the loss of McGill has hurt (although his better days were when he had the spectre of Warne hovering over him).

    It's easy to captain a great team, and I think ponting has also been found lacking as a captain without the best tools around him.

    Australia are severly struggling to take 20 wickets at the moment, and that can put a different kind of pressure on a batting line up. I still believe the batting is strong with only Hayden's form a worry.

    There is no doubt that the Australians are not close to being the team they have been over the last 10 years.
    Last edited by Bobcock; 08-01-2009 at 08:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    I must say that i disagree whole heartedly with that one. You don't take two (all time) world class bowlers (McGrath and Warne) and a destructive all rounder (Gilchrist) out of a team and not experience a downturn. Even the loss of McGill has hurt (although his better days were when he had the spectre of Warne hovering over him).
    Unfortunately I didn't see any of the last series and quite possibly you are correct with regard to the bowling.

    I knew well before the South African Tour that it was going to be tough as Brett Lee was not fit either and the Proteas have a very strong side.

    The new bowlers coming through need to be given a chance and lets not forget Warne's first test match reaped 1 for 123 odd and from memory and he was hit all over the park.

    Can't wait for the return S.A matches and of course the Ashes Series.

    I have a small wager with Andrew!

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    ^^ OI! that wasnt my quote!

    Interesting that nearly all the injured players for the aussies had been playing for the Indian comp...

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    Well M. Hayden has been removed from the ODI squad, so is this the end of his carreer or will he be picked to tour SA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by good2bhappy
    or will he be picked to tour SA?
    i doubt it, they need to give the experience to younger batsmen for building up for the Ashes.

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    Brett Lee also needs to rethink his strategy as well.

    Lee is a good test match bowler, that is not in doubt, but genuine world class he isn't. His main weapon has always been his pace, that is in decline. He and his captain need to realise that and change how he is utilised.

    Most of the great fast bowlers were just as good in their declining years but relying on know how rather than pace, Lillee, Marshall, Holding etc.

    I'm not sure how good Lee's know how is.

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    lee in ODIs has an enviable strike rate!
    As a test player his figures are not spectacular

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    I agree, his extra pace is invaluable in one day games, but I don't take any real interest in them.

    Again to take as many test wickets as him you have to be a good bowler, but I hate to see the terms 'great', 'world class' bandied about, it really irks me.

    For Warne and McGrath the term world class sometimes didn't even suffice.

    On a side note, I saw an article about Danny Cipriani, England fly half referring to him as 'great' and a 'genius'. Fuck me, a hand full of tests, most of them disasterous and a serious flaw in his kicking from hand and he gets those terms thrown at him. Ridiculous (and not his fault).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    For Warne and McGrath the term world class sometimes didn't even suffice.
    exactly, and lets not forget Gilly either.

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    The South African Connection

    Andrew Straus appointed captain of England.

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    Guptill(NZ) makes a debut century(ODI)
    Only the 5th batsman to do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by good2bhappy
    Guptill(NZ) makes a debut century(ODI) Only the 5th batsman to do this.
    Who are they playing? Holland?

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    West Indies
    Not much difference these days.

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