The 2022 Formula 1 Thread

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Can’t help noticing that the FIA decision has been delayed yet again.

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Can’t help noticing that the FIA decision has been delayed yet again.

Any excuse. FIA are just delaying as long as they can so they can find a punishment that doesn't change the outcomes of the titles.

It should be instant cancellation of all driver and constructor points gained since they broke the rules.

That would send a message to all the teams that might tempted. Which is basically Red Bull.

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Fernando has a point, IMHO:


Fernando Alonso says a penalty he received in the United States Grand Prix raises questions about the direction of the sport under governing body the FIA.

A protest by Alonso's Alpine team against the decision to demote him out of the points after he finished seventh in a damaged car will be heard on Thursday.

Alonso wrote on Instagram: "It is an important day for the sport as this decision will dictate if we are going in the right direction."

Alonso said his post was in response to messages of support since the penalty.

He thanked those who had contacted him on social media, adding: "It's one of those rare times in sport that I feel we are all on the same page and share the same opinion towards rules and regulations."

Alonso said after the race that he considered his drive one of the best of his career, after he crashed at 180mph, his car did a wheelie, hit a wall, he pitted for a new front wing, resumed at the back and climbed to seventh despite damaged aerodynamic parts.The two-time champion has questioned the decision-making of officials on a number of occasions this year, and his frustrations about the inconsistency of policing of action on track are shared by the majority of his fellow drivers.

At the Spanish Grand Prix, he accused the FIA of "incompetence" and lacking knowledge of racing.

Criticism of the FIA's running of F1 has been a theme this year, and the US Grand Prix was the race after the governing body angered drivers by allowing a recovery vehicle on track in conditions of poor visibility during heavy rain.

Alpine's appeal will be heard at 18:00 Mexico City time (12:00 BST) on 27 October before this weekend's Mexican Grand Prix.

The team have questioned the US GP stewards' decision to allow a protest by the Haas team despite it being posted after the permitted time limit had expired.

The stewards said in their decision to hand Alonso a 30-second penalty on Sunday that the Spaniard's car was in an unsafe condition because he drove it for some time with a damaged wing mirror, and then without one when it fell off.

Haas pointed out their cars have previously been given the black-and-orange warning flag - demanding a car is pitted for repairs - on three occasions in similar situations this season.

At no point during the race were Alpine asked by officials to pit the car and remove the mirror, despite calls from Haas to race control.

The stewards' ruling suggests that any car missing a rear-view mirror after an incident will be forced to retire in future.

There are also questions about the consistency of decision-making, after stewards rejected a similar protest by Haas against Sergio Perez's Red Bull.

Perez drove some laps with a damaged front wing, part of which then fell off the car while he was running.

Fernando Alonso: Alpine driver questions Formula 1 direction after US GP penalty - BBC Sport

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There are also questions about the consistency of decision-making, after stewards rejected a similar protest by Haas against Sergio Perez's Red Bull.

Just fancy that.

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The FIA seem to in a position of investigating their own inadequately written regulations, and determining penalties based on the driver, and which team he represents?

Is the head of the FIA motivated by money, or the genuine application of their own regulations.

I do not believe that drivers should be punished for the technical or moral failure of their team. I would still like to hire Vinnie Jones, to smash Verstappens head in a car door several times. Verstappen is a highly talented and a supremely consistent driver. I just don’t like the smug bastard.

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Look how the Brits whinge when their driver turns out to be shit. Hamilton was a pampered baby his entire career, and it now is shown that he can not drive a car well in traffic.

Hamilton is a crybaby and every time he gets on a whinge you can count on the British press and fake flag waiving fans to jump on board. I doubt you hurt little cupcakes even heard about this...

Villeneuve understands that this must have been disappointing for Hamilton, but is less pleased with the complaining that could be heard on his team radio after Verstappen overtook him. "That complaining is getting annoying," said the former Formula 1 driver, who felt it was done in an exaggerated manner during the race.

Still, the Canadian noticed a funny moment during the Mercedes driver's persistent complaining. Verstappen was shown a warning flag for exceeding track limits, but not much later Hamilton received the same warning. "He was so focused on Max going over the track limits that he didn’t realise he was making mistakes himself," Villeneuve said.

Villeneuve denounces Hamilton's behaviour: 'Funny he got a warning himself' - GPblog

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You are the only one mentioning Hamilton! Who is this washed up French Canadian you are quoting so forcibly?

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Snubby doesn't know much about F1. He probably thinks Villeneuve is still an F1 driver.

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he can not drive a car well in traffic.

That really isn't a fair criticism. He was in traffic quite a bit but still he drove an inferior car to second place in the USA. It was inevitable he would be passed by Max, who was in the faster car with the faster medium tyres with DRS. Second was a pretty good result for him in that race, better than the other eighteen.
All the drivers complain about other drivers, we only get a tiny selection of the radio traffic on the tv and I can remember a lot of Max whinges being aired over recent seasons, it's part of the game.
Of course he and Max both took their track limits warnings to the limit, because that's what racing drivers do, take everything to the limit. Neither of them got a penalty though, not like some of the junior drivers who cannot match their car control.

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Snubby doesn't know much about F1. He probably thinks Villeneuve is still an F1 driver.

Jacques or Gilles?

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Jacques or Gilles?

Jacques drove in some NASCAR series in the US. The other one is dead. Jacques won the F1 title in 1997, when the cars were steam driven. He didn’t like it very much because he had serious competition. He gave up.

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Jacques drove in some NASCAR series in the US.

IIRC, Gilles had a brother, another Jacques, who was also a racer. Tried out for F1 at some point too but never made the grade.

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Jacques won the F1 title in 1997, when the cars were steam driven. He didn’t like it very much because he had serious competition. He gave up.

No he didn't, he got offered Schumacher money to go and drive for BAR, and Frank was never going to go anywhere near that as he was an extremely tight bastard.

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Jacques Joseph Charles Villeneuve OQ is a Canadian professional racing driver and amateur musician who won the 1997 Formula One World Championship with Williams. In addition to Formula One he has competed in various other forms of motor racing, winning the 1995 Indianapolis 500 and the 1995 PPG Indy Car World Series. Wikipedia




Born: 9 April 1971 (age 51 years), Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, Canada



Children: Joakim Villeneuve, Henri Villeneuve, Jules Villeneuve, Gilles Villeneuve



Spouse: Camilla Lopez (m. 2012), Johanna Martinez (m. 2006–2009)



Uncle: Jacques Villeneuve



Height: 1.68 m



Current team: Ford Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series racing manufacturer team



Parents: Gilles Villeneuve, Joann Villeneuve

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What a bunch of clueless bozos. Clearly, you are just a bunch of flag waiving drunks.

It is disgustingly clear that not a single one of you has a clue what you are talking about. None of you are car enthusiasts. None of you even actually know who Gilles is. As I have said before, you are all a bunch of sad bandwagon jumpers.

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It is disgustingly clear that not a single one of you has a clue what you are talking about. None of you are car enthusiasts. None of you even actually know who Gilles is

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[harrybarracuda]

What a bunch of clueless bozos. Clearly, you are just a bunch of flag waiving drunks.

It is disgustingly clear that not a single one of you has a clue what you are talking about. None of you are car enthusiasts. None of you even actually know who Gilles is. As I have said before, you are all a bunch of sad bandwagon jumpers.

Of course we do, we were watching him fly through the air while you were still working out how much of Goodwood you could see from a burger stand, you NASCAR feeb.

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Latest:

Audi will provide engines for Sauber from 2026.

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You are the only one mentioning Hamilton! Who is this washed up French Canadian you are quoting so forcibly?

He has an Indycar title and an F1 title and qualified for the Daytona 500 at 50 years old. Fucking tosser

'This is the biggest surprise': Canadian Jacques Villeneuve, 50, qualifies for first Daytona 500

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He has an Indycar title and an F1 title and qualified for the Daytona 500 at 50 years old. Fucking tosser

'This is the biggest surprise': Canadian Jacques Villeneuve, 50, qualifies for first Daytona 500

I think that referring to him as a ‘Fucking tosser’ is a tad harsh. His brief sojourn in F1 was marked by his childish, entitled behaviour, and he scuttled back to the dull racing on the other side of the Atlantic.

Having watched him try to race in the 90s, he was disruptive and demanding, and he only got a drive based on his fathers reputation.

His conduct was totally unsuited to the complexity of F1 racing. He reminds me of you. He probably has a fetish for flabby hookers too!

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I think that referring to him as a ‘Fucking tosser’ is a tad harsh. His brief sojourn in F1 was marked by his childish, entitled behaviour, and he scuttled back to the dull racing on the other side of the Atlantic.

Having watched him try to race in the 90s, he was disruptive and demanding, and he only got a drive based on his fathers reputation.

He won a WDC FFS. He could certainly drive a car, but his commitment to the sport wasn't there. Commitment to the money was though.

You can refer to skidmark as a "fucking tosser" though, because he is one.

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Red Bull fined 7 mill $ and deducted 10 % wind tunnel time over the next 12 month.

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Red Bull fined 7 mill $ and deducted 10 % wind tunnel time over the next 12 month.

For going over the catering budget and some taxes. Seems fine to me. If anything excessive.

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For going over the catering budget and some taxes. Seems fine to me. If anything excessive.

Sure. The Master Chef was one of their 3 big earners. Has he been retired? ��

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Red Bull fined 7 mill $ and deducted 10 % wind tunnel time over the next 12 month.

Or what is known in Moh'd's parlance as "a slap on the wrist and don't get caught next time".

Added: You wouldn't know it from whinger spice's bleating.