Thread: NFL 2017: draft, deals, and season

Originally Posted by redhaze

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

Originally Posted by redhaze

Criminals abound in this draft

More common than in the past?

Serious question.

I honestly have no idea

I don't either as I was disconnected from the NFL when living overseas for many years.

But its *seems* like it's more common.

Here's another example, and also shows somebody in the Browns organization screwed up as they drafted a player and now say, "we may have to release him."

Perhaps it's a PR move and they plan to keep him anyway, after "discussing" things with him.

Meet football thug & misfit, Caleb Brantley.

(He's pleaded not guilty and as we know there are two side to every story.

The Cleveland Browns made Caleb Brantley, the former Florida defensive tackle accused of simple battery this month, the first pick of the NFL draft's sixth round Saturday.

Shortly afterward, Cleveland's head of football operations said the team may release him pending further investigation into the incident.

According to a sworn complaint obtained by ESPN, a woman told police that the 6-foot-2, 307-pound Brantley made crude comments toward her during an argument at a Gainesville, Florida, bar on April 13, and she then pushed him. The complaint said Brantley responded by "striking [her] in the face, knocking her unconscious."

The complaint said the woman, who is 5-foot-6 and 120 pounds, suffered dental injuries that "displaced a tooth and will require a root canal." The complaint also said Brantley's "use of force was clearly out of retaliation and not self-defense. Additionally, the intensity of [his] force far exceeded what was reasonable or necessary."

2017 NFL draft -- Cleveland Browns draft Caleb Brantley, may release him

doubtful there are more "criminals" in the draft now. its more likely:

- more research is done
- guys are caught doing stuff more often now
- news outlets harp on everything because they must fill 500 hrs of coverage while talking mostly out of their collective ass.

Originally Posted by samsara

doubtful there are more "criminals" in the draft now. its more likely:

- more research is done
- guys are caught doing stuff more often now
- news outlets harp on everything because they must fill 500 hrs of coverage while talking mostly out of their collective ass.

That does make sense.

And for the new outlets 'talking out of their ass' the sure are.

I listen to my main sports podcast a couple times a week and at times some other sports podcasts.

They are on air X amount of hours per day and they need to fill the gap with the most stupid stuff.

The Vikings won't keep Teddy Bridgewater. After suffering that brutal injury - in practice - folks are still not sure if he'll every play again:

Vikes won't use 5th-year option on Teddy Bridgewater

By Kevin Patra
Around the NFL writer
Published: May 1, 2017

The Minnesota Vikings will not exercise the fifth-year option on quarterback Teddy Bridgewater, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Monday.

The move comes as Bridgewater continues to rehab his brutal knee injury suffered last summer. The quarterback dislocated his knee and tore his ACL.

The option on Bridgewater's option would have been worth more than $12 million, a bargain rate for a starting quarterback, but the Vikings couldn't guarantee it due to the quarterback's injury.

The injury places Bridgewater's NFL future in limbo.

This offseason, Mike Zimmer admitted he wasn't sure if Bridgewater would be able to play again. While the coach hopes the quarterback can remain a Viking, it's anyone's best guess when or if Bridgewater will ever return to the promise he showed his first two seasons.

The 24-year-old signal-caller is likely to start the final season of his rookie contract on the physically unable to perform list. If he doesn't come off the PUP list for the entire 2017 season, his contract would toll and add another year in Minnesota, Rapoport previously reported.

With Sam Bradford, whom the Vikings traded for after Bridgewater's injury, also entering the final year of his contract, the quarterback situation in Minnesota could be murky heading into 2018.

Vikes won't use 5th-year option on Teddy Bridgewater - NFL.com

That's a bummer

I'd rather not see a return to the individual and team goofyness.

Mike Pereira Says NFL's Relaxing of Celebration Rules a 'Step Back'
ROB GOLDBERG
JUNE 12, 2017

Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports

While the NFL's decision to allow more leeway with celebrations was met with mostly positive reactions, former head of officiating Mike Pereira isn't a fan.

"I think it's a sad day," the Fox analyst said, per Clark Judge of Talk of Fame Sports. "I think that this is a step back that we worked...when I was there...so hard to kind of clean up the game and not send bad signals to young kids who were playing the game."

The NFL has had strict rules to limit celebrations in the past few years, resulting in personal foul penalties and heavy fines. However, the league announced in May a change to the rules that allows players to use the football as a prop, celebrate as a group or go to the ground.

Mike Pereira Says NFL's Relaxing of Celebration Rules a 'Step Back' | Bleacher Report

Pereira does a great job with getting calls right and knowing the minutae but I'm not gonna agree with him here. Football is about personalities and fun, and some of the joy has left the game with the addition of these burdensome rules.

not send bad signals to kids? bahahaha. oh, i think there are probably truer bad signals sent by the nfl than celebrations.

NFL ideas about kid appropriate content:

Cheerleaders breasts and asses bouncing everywhere = appropriate
Celebrations where the football is rocked gently like a small baby = flag

certainly worthy of its own thread, but...


kaepernick is being blackballed.

this is readily apparent to everyone, right?

Originally Posted by redhaze

NFL ideas about kid appropriate content:

Cheerleaders breasts and asses bouncing everywhere = appropriate
Celebrations where the football is rocked gently like a small baby = flag

Think I saw something recently that end zone celebrations will be allowed in the upcoming season.

Tim Tebow was an excellent role model for fan kids. Too bad he got blackballed.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Too bad he got blackballed.

They dont have AA football, he is in AA ball now in baseball hitting about 220. Just tearing baseball up. Great competitor and teammate, but not quite good enough for the big leagues.... Sorry...

^ smh.


anyway, kaepernick had 16 TDs and 4 INTs last year...as well as nearly 500 yards and 2 TDs on the ground.

but these jokers are on rosters as a QB in the NFL...

Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer, Nick Foles, Matt Barkley, Ryan Mallett and Case Keenum

Originally Posted by aging one

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Too bad he got blackballed.

They dont have AA football, he is in AA ball now in baseball hitting about 220. Just tearing baseball up. Great competitor and teammate, but not quite good enough for the big leagues.... Sorry...

Tebow was never really given a chance even though he had a pretty darn good year the one he got to play. Probably because nobody was willing to install a system that fit him. But also because he was such a big distraction. Some people sure made a big to do about him taking a knee to honor his religion.

Speaking of AA football ... wonder why he wasn't willing to give the CFL a chance? Most likely broadcasting pays better. Guys like Warren Moon and Doug Flutie gave it a chance instead of giving up.

So far he seems to be doing a little better at baseball than Michael Jordan.

Originally Posted by raycarey

certainly worthy of its own thread, but...


kaepernick is being blackballed.

this is readily apparent to everyone, right?

I think he is being blackballed.

He is not a good player - let's be honest. Is he worth a bench job somewhere in the NFL? Probably.

But the NFL is a brand (as we know).

Sitting on the national anthem for a racial ("colored people") argument not backed by data with cops,

Wearing a Fidel Castro shirt to a press conference when he earned millions as a pro athlete - which Castro did not allow.

After trying out for teams and not getting picked he publicly stated, "I don't want to represent what the NFL stands for."

WHAT does the NFL stand for? Please explain?

Why did you try out for teams Kaep?


Confused.....well, Kaep is, for sure.

Originally Posted by raycarey

^ smh.


anyway, kaepernick had 16 TDs and 4 INTs last year...as well as nearly 500 yards and 2 TDs on the ground.

but these jokers are on rosters as a QB in the NFL...

Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer, Nick Foles, Matt Barkley, Ryan Mallett and Case Keenum

Kaep was only good in the Read-Option.

After defenses adapted - he sucked.

He has bad mechanics: QBs keep their shoulder tight and arm underneath the armpit and close to the body when they throw.

Kaep has a "wind up" his shoulder, arm, elbow, and wrist and hand is way out, far from his body.

If he was not a distraction, a player as mediocre as him would be a 2nd or 3rd string QB - problem is, he IS a distraction.

And there is a lot of competition.

ALL of the QBs you note above can compete with Kaep, and some are better.

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

ALL of the QBs you note above can compete with Kaep, and some are better.

you must be looking at a different list than...

Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer, Nick Foles, Matt Barkley, Ryan Mallett and Case Keenum

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

Originally Posted by raycarey

certainly worthy of its own thread, but...


kaepernick is being blackballed.

this is readily apparent to everyone, right?

I think he is being blackballed.

He is not a good player - let's be honest. Is he worth a bench job somewhere in the NFL? Probably.

But the NFL is a brand (as we know).

Sitting on the national anthem for a racial ("colored people") argument not backed by data with cops,

Wearing a Fidel Castro shirt to a press conference when he earned millions as a pro athlete - which Castro did not allow.

After trying out for teams and not getting picked he publicly stated, "I don't want to represent what the NFL stands for."

WHAT does the NFL stand for? Please explain?

Why did you try out for teams Kaep?


Confused.....well, Kaep is, for sure.

Strategic blunder opting out of his contract. Should have let the 49ers cut him. Maybe they wouldn't have cut him thinking the BLM crowd would have went bonkers.

guess who got a job as an NFL quarterback ...

Dan Orlovsky, who will turn 34 next month, last started more than five games in one season during the Detroit Lions’ doomed 2008 campaign, in which they went 0-16. He has thrown for one touchdown and one interception in the past six seasons.

how about an orlovsky highlight...

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/arrests/

NFL Player Arrests

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/arrests/

NFL Player Arrests

And Trevor Boykin mentioned twice, hee-hee.

The photo below is of Lacey. He's trimmed down as we know.

Here's an article on the key positions of Seattle (and the O-line). Pro Football Focus (PFF) ranked this year's Seattle O-line second to last (for what PFF is worth at this point in July) but one main question will be, 'will the O-line improve this year?'

Seahawks counting on new starters Eddie Lacy, Luke Joeckel to get offense on track
Jul 22, 2017



The Seattle Seahawks could have as many as four new starters when the NFL season opens. Here’s a starting lineup projection:


The Seahawks are hoping running back Eddie Lacy will provide balance to their offense. Joe Nicholson/USA TODAY Sports
Offense

Quarterback (Russell Wilson): The Seahawks struggled to protect him last year, and Wilson battled through three different injuries. He deserves credit for his toughness, but he wasn't the same guy, rushing for a career-low 259 yards. The focus for Wilson will be on staying healthy and regaining his form from the second half of 2015, when he dissected defenses from the pocket and threw 25 touchdowns against two interceptions during an eight-game stretch.

Running back (Eddie Lacy): The Seahawks aggressively pursued him in free agency, and given that Lacy signed a one-year deal, he has a lot riding on this season. Assuming he keeps his weight down, Lacy is the favorite to start over Thomas Rawls, who will still have a role. At a minimum, C.J. Prosise will be the third-down back and a big factor in the passing game.

Wide receiver (Doug Baldwin): He set career highs with 94 catches and 1,128 yards a year ago. Only Odell Beckham Jr. and Antonio Brown have more touchdowns than Baldwin (21) over the past two seasons.

Wide receiver (Jermaine Kearse): Last year was a struggle. Kearse caught just 51.3 percent of his targets, had one touchdown and was called for a league-high six offensive pass interference penalties. He'll need to bounce back to hold on to the starting job. Paul Richardson, who played well down the stretch last season, could make some noise here.

Wide receiver (Tyler Lockett): He suffered fractures to his tibia and fibula (right leg) in December but should be ready for the start of the season. If healthy, Lockett has the skill set to be the Seahawks' top vertical threat.

Tight end (Jimmy Graham): He finished third among tight ends with 923 receiving yards last season and led all players at his position with a yards-per-catch average of 14.2. But the Seahawks need to do a better job of finding Graham in the red zone, where he had just six receptions last season.

Left tackle (George Fant): He was put in a tough spot last year, starting 10 games after having barely played any football since the eighth grade. Fant bulked up to 320 pounds (from 296) in the offseason and is the favorite to protect Wilson's blind side.

Left guard (Luke Joeckel): He'll compete at either left guard or left tackle. Joeckel played four games at guard with the Jacksonville Jaguars last season and is coming off of a knee injury. Like Lacy, he's on a one-year deal.

Center (Justin Britt): He was easily the Seahawks' best offensive lineman last year. Entering the final year of his contract, Britt will look to earn an extension.

Right guard (Mark Glowinski): He'll make the switch from left guard and will look to improve on an inconsistent 2016 campaign.

Right tackle (Germain Ifedi): The 2016 first-round pick will switch from guard to tackle and has to make the second-year leap. Rookie Ethan Pocic could push both Ifedi and Glowinski for playing time.


Cornerback Richard Sherman intercepted four passes last season. Joe Nicholson/USA TODAY Sports
Defense

Defensive end (Michael Bennett): He missed five games last season but has been consistently one of the most disruptive defensive linemen in the NFL. Bennett plays DE in the Seahawks' base defense and slides inside to tackle when Seattle is in nickel.

Defensive tackle (Ahtyba Rubin): He doesn't get a lot of attention, but Rubin's play on the interior has been key to the Seahawks' strong run defense.

Defensive tackle (Jarran Reed): He started five games at nose tackle as a rookie and will look to develop into a consistent contributor in his second season.

Defensive end (Cliff Avril): He has 20.5 sacks over the past two seasons and has started every game since 2014. Avril, Bennett and Frank Clark give the Seahawks one of the NFL's best pass-rushing units.

Weakside linebacker (K.J. Wright): He made his first Pro Bowl last season. Teammates and coaches consistently point to Wright as one of the Seahawks' smartest and most underrated defensive players.

Middle linebacker (Bobby Wagner): He led the NFL with 167 tackles last season and plays a key role in getting the Seahawks lined up properly pre-snap.

Strongside linebacker (Michael Wilhoite): This is a part-time position in the Seahawks' defense that is replaced by a cornerback when the team moves to nickel. Wilhoite and Terence Garvin will compete for the job.

Cornerback (Richard Sherman): After a tumultuous offseason that saw the Seahawks shop Sherman around the league, he's still with the team. Sherman will undoubtedly be in the spotlight this season, but he is still one of the NFL's top corners.

Cornerback (Jeremy Lane): Most likely, he'll start on the outside and slide inside when Seattle is in nickel. But Lane will have to hold off rookie Shaquill Griffin and others for the starting right cornerback job.

Strong safety (Kam Chancellor): He's entering the final year of his contract and it'll be interesting to see if Chancellor receives an extension before the start of the season. Chancellor is the leader of the defense and played at a high level in 2016.


Free safety (Earl Thomas): He broke his leg on Dec. 4 and the defense fell apart without him, allowing 12 touchdown passes with one interception. He's ahead of schedule in his recovery and will be ready to go for the start of the season, barring any setbacks.

Special teams

Kicker (Blair Walsh): The Seahawks let Steven Hauschka walk in free agency and are counting on Walsh to replace him. He'll have to prove this summer that he's up for the challenge.

Punter (Jon Ryan): He's back for his 10th season with the Seahawks and is in the second year of the four-year deal he signed last offseason.

Long-snapper (Nolan Frese): He'll have to hold off Tyler Ott for the job.

Seahawks counting on new starters Eddie Lacy, Luke Joeckel to get offense on track - Seattle Seahawks Blog- ESPN

of course kaep is being blackballed. owners dont want to sign him because hes viewed as anti-american, and, more notably, anti-military/cops. and we all know nfl fans are some clueles,s jingoist bastards who love a good nigger beatdown by some guys in blue.

none of these guys have ever done shit:

Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer, Nick Foles, Matt Barkley, Ryan Mallett and Case Keenum

kaep put up 31 pts in the sb vs the best D in the lg that season. he came the closest to beating SEA in its prime in the NFC chip the season after. hes talented, like it or not. the clueless analysts who pt to struggles since harbaugh left, well, guys, brady would have struggled in sf the past 2 seasons.

kaep is not a perfect pocket QB, sure. but if you install the right system kaep will give you wins as long as the personnel around him isnt the worst in the lg (a la the niners).

he should have gone to denver last yr. hed have made the afc chip gm by default and might have gone further. he was greedy.

Please, the guy sucks. He's RGIII without the injury history.

rg3 aint sniff no sb or even playoff wins

Yeah because the Redskins players sucked and 49ers players didn't. Also Alex Smith got them the record that season to get there in the first place, so there goes your theory that it was Kap who made them good. They were a good team period that year.

The league just didn't know what to do with Kap, didn't have any plan. Smart move by Harbaugh. For that year at least.

Now they do know what to do with him, the guy can't adjust and he clearly sucks as a result.

Also, does this whole conspiracy theory thing really hold water when a guy was benched in favor of Blaine Gabbert prior to the controversy? You guys have selective amnesia about a player who has had his chances. You're as bad as the retarded Tim Tebow people....and that's really saying something