The UFC thread

[blackpanther]

they defo need to scrap the points system and bring in a new specific system for MMA. so many decisions are obviously wrong these days

[NickA]

^I think all fighting sports need to bring in weighted rounds, ie. the later rounds are worth more points than the early rounds... for example in a 5 round fight it would be 1, 1.2, 1.4, 1.6, 1.8 and then 2 points for the last round.

Don't know if it's fairer, but it should make the fights go on until the end.

[blackpanther]

Pride FC had a superior method of making decisions based on ground control, aggressiveness, submission attempts and damage done. the fighter who tried to finish the fight would always score higher thus leading to more exciting fights and fair decisions.

the UFC really needs to adopt this.

[blackpanther]

it should make the fights go on until the end.

you're just gonna get long boring fights then imo....MMA is all about finishing the opponent as quickly as possible.

[Marmite the Dog]

This thread really should be in MKP.

[blackpanther]

good article from sherdog:

Long-Awaited Unification Happened Too Soon Options: Email Article | Printer Friendly September 10, 2007
by Mike Sloan (msloan@sherdog.com)

The UFC wasted Saturday's showdown between Quinton Jackson (Pictures) and Dan Henderson (Pictures).

It's that simple: The fight and its importance were squandered.

Don't take that intro as pessimistic or angry. Jackson-Henderson was a fight I had hoped would materialize since the two were premiere warriors in PRIDE. After Henderson finished Wanderlei Silva (Pictures) in February and Jackson beat Chuck Liddell (Pictures) again in May, this was a showdown that clearly had to happen.

Jackson-Henderson was an important fight because it pitted two of the world's best against each other, and it determined the true world champion -- a first in the modern era of MMA.

This was the fight to end debate over the best at 205 pounds. This was the bout to unify the UFC and PRIDE light heavyweight titles.

Yet Henderson remained unknown in the eyes of Generation TUF. He fought in PRIDE, in Japan, for the majority of his career. Stateside only hardcore fans know him. The UFC wisely signed him but stupidly failed to build him.

A fighter like Rampage can get away without much marketing. Hendo can't.

Henderson should have been given a few bouts inside the Octagon to decimate opponents and add to the spectacular highlights of his PRIDE career. Then, provided Jackson was still the champ, the UFC should have made the fight and raked in the profits.

The UFC 75 main event was still a solid fight, won clearly by Jackson. Rampage silenced many a critic by smothering Henderson and proving that he is without question the best fighter on the planet at 205.

Gone, it seems, are the days of Jackson entering a fight unprepared or distracted. His stamina was at an all-time high against Henderson, and he thwarted everything the PRIDE champion threw his way.

Looking back at Jackson's stellar career, this was easily the best he has ever been.

Henderson may have been distracted pre-fight with the birth of his new baby girl, but he never gave up. In the final round he kept plugging away and fought with desperation. Jackson was simply on top of his game, and won the round.

Henderson has fluctuated in weight throughout his career. Maybe he was just too small for Rampage. Maybe he should drop back down to 185 and try to unify his other PRIDE title against UFC champion Anderson Silva.

Regardless, in my eyes Jackson-Henderson was a waste. There was virtually no buzz in a fight town like Las Vegas, where I live, and I saw nothing about the fight on ESPN or other sports networks.

Unlike the other massive fights Zuffa has delivered, this bout was only a blip on the MMA radar in the eyes of mainstream journalists. That said, the only one to blame for not properly building Henderson is Zuffa -- a shame considering the battle will go down as one of the most important in the sport's history.

It sure didn't feel like it, though.


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[ChiangMai noon]

^
like the thread on sherdog about how long it would take Houston Alexander to knock you out.

I'd give myself 3 seconds.

[NickA]

Quote: Originally Posted by NickA it should make the fights go on until the end. you're just gonna get long boring fights then imo....MMA is all about finishing the opponent as quickly as possible.

Sorry, I didn't mean that... it wouldn't stop knock outs, but it would stop people coasting in the later rounds if they were ahead on points. In my opinion the person finishing the fight stronger should win, whereas in the current points system the fight can be won in the first half.

[ChiangMai noon]

In my opinion the person finishing the fight stronger should win, whereas in the current points system the fight can be won in the first half.

bollux.

[blackpanther]

^^there is no half in a 3 round fight nick

Houston Alexander

he does look very impressive! i am perplexed as to the UFC giving that sack of spuds Keith Jardine a shot against Chuck Liddell in UFC 76. absolutely ridiculous match-setting in my book....Alexander destroyed Jardine in their fight yet he doesn't get the credit for it. I reckon the UFC are far too biased towards their TUF recruits anyway........they will milk those fuckers for all they are worth to keep interest in the series.

[ChiangMai noon]

^
exactly because he is a sack of spuds i think.
doubt if chuck would fancy an Alexander fight.

[blackpanther]

because he is a sack of spuds i think.

that's the problem with the UFC right there. they need to quit all this rematch shit and cheesy match-fixing. Alexander should be fighting Liddell in the next one. I reckon his destruction of that Italian lad was mostly due to his frustration at being blatantly overlooked

[ChiangMai noon]

I reckon his destruction of that Italian lad was mostly due to his frustration at being blatantly overlooked

that and the fact that he is a seriously hard bastard.
don't think Alexander knows any other way to fight.

[blackpanther]

^well we have to wait and see how he fares against tougher opposition before we can deem him the new wandy cmn!!

that should be a mighty entrance.....the Axe-Murderer back in the octogon!!

[ChiangMai noon]

^
heard it all before.
Cro cop, henderson......
bet fedor is a bag of poop too.

[blackpanther]

fedor

i noticed they haven't signed him. big loss for the UFC there. he is the one man who would blow all those shitehawks out of the water

[Little Chuchok]

fedor

i noticed they haven't signed him. big loss for the UFC there. he is the one man who would blow all those shitehawks out of the water

He beat Mark hunt,but only just....Hunt also destroyed the Axe Murderer.

[blackpanther]

Hunt also destroyed the Axe Murderer.

Hunt is twice the size of wandy.....and that was in the open-weight tournament. wandy is a ferocious fighter who can take anyone in the world in his weightclass

[Little Chuchok]

^So....

[blackpanther]

this isn't the rugby thread mate......you know that don't ya?

[Little Chuchok]

Mark Hunt and Ray Sefo are playing in the front row aren't they?

[blackpanther]

they wish they were you mean? not filthy enough to get onto that team

[Little Chuchok]

^Not tough enough actually.

[NickA]

In my opinion the person finishing the fight stronger should win, whereas in the current points system the fight can be won in the first half.

bollux.

Explain.

Should someone who wins the 1st 2 rounds on minor technicalities win even though he gets beaten to shit in the third round and can hardly stand up at the end of the fight.

I stopped watching much Thai kick boxing as in a lot of fights they just fizzle out after the third round (out of 5).

Of course the best system would be fight till one of them drops, but I don't know if it will be allowed.

[blackpanther]

more proof of the rise of MMA....


UFC 75 Sets MMA Ratings Record in North America
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Tuesday, September 11, 2007
by Sherdog.com Staff

UFC 75 was the most watched mixed martial arts event ever in North America, drawing 4.7 million viewers, Spike TV officials said in a news release Tuesday.

The Sept. 8 event from the O2 Arena in London, England, featured UFC light heavyweight champion Quinton Jackson (Pictures)'s win over PRIDE champ Dan Henderson (Pictures) in a title unification bout. Airing delayed on Spike, the telecast peaked at 5.6 million viewers during Jackson's battle against Henderson.

The show's ratings were particularly strong among men age 18-34 and men 18-49. For those audiences, UFC 75 beat everything on television, Spike officials said, including ABC's NASCAR race and Michigan vs. Oregon college football game, as well as ESPN's Virginia Tech vs. LSU and Notre Dame vs. Penn St. games.

"The ratings are further proof that the tide in American sports is changing," said Kevin Kay, Spike TV general manager. "Young men, who constitute the Spike TV core audience, prefer the incredible action and athleticism of the UFC to more traditional sports."

"Champion vs. Champion" outpaced the previous record -- Tito Ortiz (Pictures) vs. Ken Shamrock (Pictures) III, also broadcast on SpikeTV -- by half a million viewers.

Spike TV said its telecast of UFC 75 had an overall rating of 3.1 (3.0 million homes), including a 5.7 rating for men 18-34 (1.6 million), 4.5 for men 18-49 (2.5 million) and 6.2 for men 25-34 (1.0 million).

The event also had a record-breaking audience at the 02 Arena in London, UFC President Dana White said.

UFC 75 Sets MMA Ratings Record in North America