Time for the gay All Black to man up like Gareth Thomas........

**Bobcock** · 11-01-2013, 09:31 PM

Fantastic, but their anthem is played before it, not that you would notice.

Point is.... At home they have two, not that any of you lot would have known that.

**pseudolus** · 12-01-2013, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Fantastic, but their anthem is played before it, not that you would notice.

Point is.... At home they have two, not that any of you lot would have known that.

Course we know that; players from both south and north Ireland and the Irish anthem is a tad offensive to the Ulster boys, so they give a blast of Irelands Call to let them join in with the sing song. It's quite a new song though isn't it? Can't recall it in 5N days.

**Bobcock** · 12-01-2013, 10:21 AM

I knew you would know. The one eyed lot have probably never seen an Ireland home game....

**pseudolus** · 12-01-2013, 10:44 AM

Fair enough. I'll give Wales baiting a rest for a day as your reward.

**Bobcock** · 12-01-2013, 11:47 AM

Feel free

**Little Chuchok** · 12-01-2013, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

When you see that, the idea that it is sacred and special to Rugby is simply ludicrous. Also, they are doing it to the crowd not to the Baa baa's.

A bit of real history for you...

From Wiki

The first New Zealand rugby team to tour overseas, playing eight matches in New South Wales, Australia, in 1884, performed "a Maori war cry" or haka before each of its matches.

During 1888–9, the New Zealand Native team toured the Home Nations of the United Kingdom, the first team from a colony to do so. It was originally intended that only Māori players would be selected, but four non Māori were finally included. As the non Māori were born in New Zealand, the name "Native" was considered justified. The team performed a haka before the start of their first match on 3 October 1888 against Surrey. They were described as using the words "Ake ake kia kaha" which suggests that the haka was not "Ka Mate". It was intended that before each match they would perform the haka dressed in traditional Māori costume but the costumes were soon discarded.

The Ka Mate haka was not well known at this time. In 1900, a newspaper reported New Zealand soldiers in the Boer War chanting "Ka Mate! Ka Mate! Ka ora! Ka ora! Hae-haea! Ha!" The soldiers thought it meant "Kill him! Chop him up! Baste him!"

But during the 1901 Royal Tour, Ngati Kahungunu warriors revived Ka Mate when they performed it to welcome the Duke of Cornwall at Rotorua. Newspapers described the full actions of this "ancient ngeri," printing its complete Maori words and an accurate translation. A movie cameraman recorded the performance. Ka Mate became famous, and was widely performed throughout New Zealand.

Nevertheless, when New Zealand played its first full international test match against Australia in Sydney in August 1903, the New Zealanders' warcry was "Tena Koe Kangaroo."

In 1905 New Zealand made their first tour of Britain. This was the first time the team were referred to as the All Blacks and this particular team also became known as the 'Originals'. It is uncertain whether they performed a haka before every match, but they at least performed "Ka Mate" before their first test, against Scotland, and before the match against Wales. The Welsh crowd, led by the Welsh team, responded by singing the Welsh national anthem.

When a New Zealand Army team played Wales in 1916, the words of "Ka Mate" were included in the printed programme, indicating that the haka was established as an accompaniment to New Zealand rugby teams playing overseas.

The 1924–5 New Zealand rugby team which toured the United Kingdom, Ireland, France and Canada and which was nicknamed the Invincibles, performed a haka that was written for them during the voyage to England by two supporters, Judge Frank Acheson of the Native Land Court and Wiremu Rangi of Gisborne.[6] The haka was led by star player George Nepia. It was performed before all but two of the tour matches. Reporters criticized the team for disappointing the crowd on the two occasions it was not performed.

A pre-match haka was not always performed on All Blacks tours. The team that toured Britain in 1935-36 did not perform one before matches, although they did some impromptu performances at social functions. In the early decades, haka were only rarely performed at home matches, such as the third test of the 1921 Springboks tour, played in Wellington.

**pseudolus** · 12-01-2013, 08:12 PM

Don't know what you are trying to prove or even say by posting up some guff from Wiki.
You are starting to remind me of Boon Mee though...

Here we go.... check out this

Just a load of white blokes doing the Okey Cokey and the Chicken Song.

**AntRobertson** · 12-01-2013, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Bobcock

The one eyed lot have probably never seen an Ireland home game....

And we're one-eyed because of that, or haven't because we're one-eyed.

**Bobcock** · 13-01-2013, 05:24 AM

At least you are not a Cantabarian.....

**Little Chuchok** · 13-01-2013, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Don't know what you are trying to prove or even say by posting up some guff from Wiki.
You are starting to remind me of Boon Mee though...

Just trying to educate you about "decades" of history regarding rugby old boy...

**Little Chuchok** · 13-01-2013, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Bobcock

At least you are not a Cantabarian.....

Now they a breed all to themselves.If I was one, I would kill myself and then commit suicide.

**pseudolus** · 13-01-2013, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Don't know what you are trying to prove or even say by posting up some guff from Wiki.
You are starting to remind me of Boon Mee though...

Just trying to educate you about "decades" of history regarding rugby old boy...

But you are not educating anyone about anything you confused old man. If you can open your mind a tad you will see I am trying to educate you.

1) Swing Low is a slave song taken up by mostly english local teams as a club drinking song. It moved into the main stream in 1988 as a tongue in cheek some what racist celebration of Oti scoring three tries against the Irish. The song had been sung in rugby clubs for decades before that. You are trying to educate me that it is a slave song. Well done. I know that dick wad.

2) The Haka was traditionally performed to the audience not the opposing team. Proof is in the two videos I posted. There is no historical reason why it should be unchallenged because historically it was never performed to the opponents. If you look on one of the videos, you will see the opposing team running around in the background whilst the kiwis have their little chicken dance.

So what are you trying to educate? Me to the fact that you know where Wikipedia is? Well I kind of guessed that.

**Little Chuchok** · 13-01-2013, 02:00 PM

Look and learn, look and learn.....

**Little Chuchok** · 13-01-2013, 02:05 PM

It would be interesting to know how many "decades" that swing low has been in English Club rugger...

Here is an All Black one from 1903 (Now that's a few decades eh...)

"Tena Koe Kangaroo" 1903

Early in July 1903, when the New Zealand players were assembling in Wellington for their Australian tour, the Evening Post reported that... A unique souvenir has been prepared for the New Zealand team by Mr C. Parata. It contains the following warcry

Tena koe, Kangaroo How are you, Kangaroo!
Tupoto koe, Kangaroo! You look out, Kangaroo!
Niu Tireni tenei haere nei New Zealand is invading you
Au Au Aue a! Woe woe woe to you!

The Post's rugby correspondent later reported that the war-cry was first practiced by the New Zealand team in mid-Tasman on Monday 13 July, and first performed "in response to several calls" at their official reception at Sydney on Thursday.

The New Zealanders played ten matches on the tour (won 10, lost 0, points for 276, points against 13). Presumably the warcry was performed before all their matches although a search in PapersPast (paperspast.natlib.govt.nz) only located its use on 29 July 1903 before the New Zealand v Metropolitan Union match at Sydney (Taranaki Herald, 30 July 1903).

^That is also from Wiki.Wiki is on the Internet. marvellous stuff that internet you know...

**pseudolus** · 13-01-2013, 02:12 PM

A "few" means three of. Three decades which is all I can claim to know about.

You're one of these "my cats blacker than yours" types i guess. Were you also once in the Kiwi Special Forces as well? A spy? Black Hawk Down survivor?

Name one thing that the Kiwi Crowd is known for when watching their team play? Just one.

Aussies have Aussie Aussie Aussie and Matilda.
Wales - Bread of Heaven (wrexham Lager)
Irish - fields of athenry
England - Swing Low
Bokke - Well they shout Beast beast beast a bit too much considering how shit he is now.

In fact most teams supporters are known for something or other, but the Kiwi fans just sit there all pompous and arrogant. Going to the Rugby is supposed to be fun; the only time their is a good atmosphere at a rugby game in New Zealand is when some of the crowd are vocal supporters of the opposition. Jeese if the Kiwi crowd chanted the haka it would be an improvement. No wonder when they lose the crowd go home and beat their wives.

**Little Chuchok** · 13-01-2013, 02:22 PM

Look son, stop licking windows. Just pointing out the bleeding obvious and educating you a little.

I have watched rugby in both the Northern Hemisphere and in the Southern.

You are correct about the NZ crowds, they are very reserved.although a call of "Black,black black" does occur a few times during a game here, but that is about it.

If you think that they are pompous and arrogant, then I would suggest that you are projecting a typical English rugby type attitude. pfft!

**pseudolus** · 13-01-2013, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Look son, stop licking windows. Just pointing out the bleeding obvious and educating you a little.

I have watched rugby in both the Northern Hemisphere and in the Southern.

You are correct about the NZ crowds, they are very reserved.although a call of "Black,black black" does occur a few times during a game here, but that is about it.

If you think that they are pompous and arrogant, then I would suggest that you are projecting a typical English rugby type attitude. pfft!

What are you educating me about though? I know this is like asking boon mee to actually explain why he needs an assault rifle, but do please try to be succinct and try because you've not pointed out the obvious in anything or educated me. You have repeated something I said a few times and tried to make believe that you have educated me. You have made a wrong assumption about something I said and said that is educating me. So please, point out how you are educating me.

reserved = boring by the way.

**Little Chuchok** · 13-01-2013, 03:24 PM

^You can lead a horse to water old boy.....

Reserved = Boring. I'm not arguing that BTW

If you want me to be succinct...here goes.

Rugger Pom knows nothing about the Haka or it's history. Says that the roots of the Haka was in the early seventies.

Thinks that Swing Low (A totally orig English song BTW

) is the bees knees and has been sung in english clubs for decades and decades.(I'll take your word for it)

The Haka is here to stay.....and stay it will!

**Little Chuchok** · 13-01-2013, 03:25 PM

oh yeah...Thinks that "Swing Low " is spiritually linked to England.Jesus wept!

**pseudolus** · 13-01-2013, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Rugger Pom knows nothing about the Haka or it's history. Says that the roots of the Haka was in the early seventies.

Thinks that Swing Low (A totally orig English song BTW

) is the bees knees and has been sung in english clubs for decades and decades.(I'll take your word for it)

The Haka is here to stay.....and stay it will!

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

oh yeah...Thinks that "Swing Low " is spiritually linked to England.Jesus wept!

Never said the roots of the haka was in the 70's (I put up the films from the the 1920's lest you forget). Said that even in the 70's is was shit, and done facing the crowd, and was certainly not a true haka as done by the mauri. It's was a chicken dance and thats all. Go look at the vid.

I never said SL was the bees knees but said that it was an old rugby club song that progressed into being linked to England Rugby. You will have to take my word for it, as obviously your only source of rugby knowledge doesn't mention it (wiki).

The Fields of Athenry is spiritually linked to Ireland; walzting matilda to the Aussies, Bread of Heaven to the Welsh, and Swing Low is to England fans. As a Kiwi, you will have no understanding of this point being that you and your ilk have nothing...nothing when it comes to cheering on your team, especially when they are losing. I'm not talking religious shit; I'm talkin about the spirit of the team. Spiritually linked in that regard. You are a Kiwi - you do not know. Simple as that.

The Haka will lose it's special place as soon as the IRB stop pandering to the pompous arrogant kiwis. It might well happen now that there is an Aussie as CEO of the IRB, and if Lapasset grows a pair. Maybe in the not so distant future professional rugby teams will not be subjected to unfair advantage to the Kiwi's just so they can have a little chicken dance to amuse their fans.

**Little Chuchok** · 13-01-2013, 04:30 PM

Ummm, actually you said,

Haka is just yet another suck up to the Kiwi's by the IRB. In terms of Rugby, here is the roots of it.

And then posted the 1973 All Blacks doing the Haka.

So how long have the Aussie crowd been singing Waltsing Matilda at a international then? I have watched the AB's in the 90's in Australia and never heard them sing it once....yep, not once!
How long have the Saffas been calling out "Beast"?
Swing Low has only been round for a few years.

Spirit my arse.

All Black fans have been calling out "Black,black black" since before you were born lad.

The Haka will stay.It is History, it is Tradition, it is ours.

Som nom na.

**pseudolus** · 13-01-2013, 04:46 PM

The video does show the roots of it - a load of white blokes doing the chicken dance. Brand All Blacks then got a choreographer in to help them man it up a bit into a stern chicken dance.

**Little Chuchok** · 13-01-2013, 04:49 PM

^Yep, you're onto it.

**Little Chuchok** · 13-01-2013, 05:08 PM

Where are you BobbY?

Who are the three All Blacks that appear in the 'still' of this youtube thingie...

Here's a hint.

The first and third guys also toured South Africa in 1976.Both are forwards....

Two of them played for the same Auckland club.

**pseudolus** · 13-01-2013, 06:05 PM

The all new Haka

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