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Actually I've just seen another replay of the incident from a front camera angle.

Looks more reckless than intentional to me: Swinging arm from Hore - Sport - NZ Herald Videos

Definitely intentional. I'm not a Wales supporter.

Originally Posted by superman

I'm not a Wales supporter.

why would that matter? are you an athletic supporter?

viewed at normal speed, two men running, slightly off-balance, hard to see how Hore could have identified the player as his 'target' and intentionally knocked him out while knowing none of the three officials would see it thereby avoiding a red card in the first in of the game. don't believe it

he hit him for sure, but some of the media hype around this . . . the judiciary will decide, at some point have to have trust in their abilities, and fully expect he'll get 6-8 weeks

no king hit imo

At least it has taken the heat off England, gives their media something to carry on about rather than report on their latest loss, the Hore incident making their headlines, note BBC Sport has tucked the Eng-SA match report under 'Scottish Rugby' on their Sport home page, maybe hoping no one will notice the result

Originally Posted by trabant

why would that matter? are you an athletic supporter?

To show I'm not biased.

Originally Posted by trabant

hard to see how Hore could have identified the player as his 'target'

The number on his red shirt could have been a give away.

A few years ago Andrew Hore was in the poop for shooting seals, so some bright spark on the radio said

"Andrew Hore, shoots seals and clubs Whales"

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Looks more reckless than intentional to me:

hahahahaha

Originally Posted by trabant

no king hit imo

even funnier.....

How do you 'accidently' punch a 120kg man who is 15cm taller than you in the face with enough force to hospitalise him when running?

The only things that run with their arms in the air are orang-u-tangs and despite the fact Hore is a hairy cvnt I don't think he's orange.

Originally Posted by Bobcock

How do you 'accidently' punch a 120kg man who is 15cm taller than you in the face with enough force to hospitalise him when running?

How do you "punch" a man with your forearm and an open-hand, period?

Like a good lawyer you don't address the actual question.

It amazes me that some people here still refuse to see you for what you are.

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Like a good lawyer you don't address the actual question

What question, it was a swinging arm not a punch. also from what I can see contact was more with the neck than the face.

Originally Posted by Bobcock

I haven't seen any evidence that it is an open hand.

Check the VDO link I posted above -- it has a front-on camera view and you can clearly see that it's the forearm that makes contact and that his hand is open.

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Your question answered, now do me the courtesy of explaining Andrew Hore's monkey like running style cos it's got me baffled how a team of that quality would pick some who can't run normally......

Again I refer to the VDO - he doesn't run like that. He raised his arm to make contact, just like anybody else would have had to do.

The video is not available so I stick to what I have said.

So you agree, he intentionally struck him from behind for all your fluff and bluster.

The Kiwi's I watched the game all agreed it would have been red if seen.

Fully deliberate King Hit, for all your long winded explanations, but no with you it was all OK because apparently the crowd make some noise against the decision that Richie McCaw was Man Of The Match, which I must say we all gasped at.....

You personify the all so outdated 'Precious Kiwi / We are the Guardians of the Game' myth that we all know is based on the sort of vocal tiny minority who hang out on forums trying to impose their will upon others.....

I looked at the video a few times and can see on freezing at 56-58 seconds that it was not a punch, but the inside of Hore's forearm that made contact. Definitely intentional in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Richie McCaw was Man Of The Match

Named by Jonathan Davies.

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Fully deliberate King Hit, for all your long winded explanations, but no with you it was all OK because apparently the crowd make some noise against the decision that Richie McCaw was Man Of The Match, which I must say we all gasped at.....

I've never so much as even suggested that it was in any way, shape or form "OK".

Just the facts, 'mam. I'm simply pointing out that it wasn't a punch. Don't know why you need to get so personal about it.

hehehehe.....it's the only form of loving contact you appreciate....

I also like having my belly stroked.

Physical contact.... yeeeeuuuugggghhhhh.....

Well, unless I Kiwi ermmmm King Hit you....

Players never use fists anymore in the initial incident, the forearm is the preferred weapon.
To suggest that it was accidental contact is patently inane 1 min into a match where fatigue is not an issue. The Welsh player didn't fall into it as can sometimes happen. he went up and over his shoulder. He may not have meant to retire him, but he was definitely under desire or instruction to share the love.

Keith Murdoch all over again, dude has the tache aswel......

Originally Posted by Bobcock

How do you 'accidently' punch a 120kg man who is 15cm taller than you in the face with enough force to hospitalise him when running?

The only things that run with their arms in the air are orang-u-tangs and despite the fact Hore is a hairy cvnt I don't think he's orange.

best you can do? call someone a monkey. Bravo.
Like schoolkids calling names.
Fatty!
May I too refer to you as a hairy cvnt, then?

use of the forearm. Never seen it before?

Andy Powell vs. Richie McCaw Shocking Head High Tackle! - YouTube


BBC SPORT: Powell's head high on McCaw was a cheap shot and right in front of the ref. You will note you hysterical Welsh fans that there has been no similar reaction from NZ fans over the non-citing of Powell. The only reaction has been Hansen saying on arrival back in NZ "I would have expected him to be cited but it doesn't surprise me that he wasn't."

Powell dodged a bullet on this one somehow, with referee Alan Lewis only signalling a scrum for the McCaw knock-on as he dropped the ball in the hit.

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"How Welsh reserve forward Andy Powell escaped even a penalty in taking Richie McCaw out late in the game with a blatant cheapshot, is beyond me. It warranted an immediate send-off but incredibly, Wales were given the scrum feed courtesy of McCaw knocking the ball on from the ensuing impact of the malicious Powell tackle."

hahahaha.....wow.....feisty.... what you have to remember is you are listening to banter between friends who know each other well here.....

Andy Powell is possibly the biggest idiot I have ever seen on or off a rugby field.

The fact that he is not in Wales' squad any more is a source of great pride to all Welshmen. Any citation and banning that kept him out of games would have been a blessing but the IRB being smart punished Wales by allowing him to be available for the next game.

So, the fact that a Welshman had delivered a cheap shot on McAwe makes it OK that a Kiwi delivered one on a different player some years later?

Nope.... didn't think so....

The judiciary is tomorrow I think. By the looks of it he's in for a 6 - 8 week ban (at least according to what I've read).

We have all seen a lot worse and I believe most of the damage was done when Hore unintentionally kneed the Welsh kiddie in the back of the head.

Yes, a swinging arm and deserves some penalty but hardly comparable to some of the other premeditated incidents that have gone down in recent years.

Interesting new wide angle shot here, looks like Hore got frustrated at Davies' running an obstructive line and lashed out: BBC video: New vision of Hore hit - Sport - NZ Herald Videos