'Holocaust denier' convicted in Australia

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'Holocaust denier' convicted in Australia
16/04/2009

An alleged Holocaust denier wanted in Germany was found guilty of criminal contempt in Australia Thursday for defying court orders to stop publishing offensive material on the Internet.


Jewish deportees in the Auschwitz death camp following its liberation by Soviet troops in January 1945. An alleged Holocaust denier wanted in Germany has been found guilty of criminal contempt in Australia for defying court orders to stop publishing offensive material on the Internet.

Gerald Frederick Toben, 64, was convicted in the Federal Court on 24 counts of contempt of court after continuing to publish material about Jews and the Holocaust on his Adelaide Institute website, despite 2002 orders to stop.

Judge Bruce Lander said Toben, who will be sentenced later this month, had steadfastly refused to comply with the law.

He did not accept that freedom of speech "does not include the freedom to publish material calculated to offend, insult or humiliate or intimidate people because of their race, colour or national or ethnic origin", the judge said.

Toben told reporters he did not regret his actions, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation reported.

"If you believe in something and you want to have that freedom to express your opinions then you should be prepared for sacrifices," he said.

Toben was arrested in Britain in October last year under a European Union arrest warrant issued by Germany but a bid by German authorities to have him extradited to face charges of Holocaust denial failed.

He faces charges in Germany of publishing material on the Internet "of an anti-Semitic and/or revisionist nature" which denies, approves of, or plays down the Holocaust.

Holocaust denial is a crime in Germany and offenders can face up to five years in jail.

bangkokpost.com

[beano]

freedom of speech "does not include the freedom to publish material calculated to offend, insult or humiliate or intimidate people because of their race, colour or national or ethnic origin"

The Americans on the board aren't going to let this pass without comment.

[Norton]

He did not accept that freedom of speech "does not include the freedom to publish material calculated to offend, insult or humiliate or intimidate people because of their race, colour or national or ethnic origin", the judge said.

Nor do I but he's still a misinformed nutter.

The Americans on the board aren't going to let this pass without comment.

[rotator]

Holocaust denial is a crime in Germany and offenders can face up to five years in jail.

When they make it a law not to debate the "truth" propagated by the jews, I started to debate the truth

[blackgang]

I am old enough to remember what was said to have went down, and my dad was among the US troops to be in on the liberation of some prison/concentration and has the pix to prove it, and he told me about it and I do believe him that it actually did happen so good enough for me.
And it did happen in Germany as well as Poland and if they want to pass laws again denial who am I to say that they can't, they also have laws that say if I kick a Black mans ass that they can jail me for a racist crime what the fuck, but they will not jail him for it if he whips me,, so go figure.
I can't call him a nigger, but he can call me a Honkey and call blacks nigger and nothing is said.
Fucked up world ain't it.

[BugginOut]

freedom of speech "does not include the freedom to publish material calculated to offend, insult or humiliate or intimidate people because of their race, colour or national or ethnic origin"

The Americans on the board aren't going to let this pass without comment.

Boy, that's paradoxical.

[EmperorTud]

Holocaust denial is a crime in Germany and offenders can face up to five years in jail.

Why is war crimes denial not a crime in Japan?

[kmart]

Holocaust denial is a crime in Germany and offenders can face up to five years in jail.

Why is war crimes denial not a crime in Japan?

Good point.

[jim1176]

Jew scum, what else can I say

[beano]

It's not a crime because the government never made it one.
Japan never suffered a fraction of what Germany did after the war, the US policy was to rebuild it as quickly as possible to counter balance Communist China.
Subsequently a whole generation of Japanese grew up thinking they had done nothing wrong and every one of their soldiers was a hero.
Personally I think the allies should have ignored the surrender and bombed it until it was flat, black and glowing in the dark.

[blackgang]

Why is war crimes denial not a crime in Japan?

Damn surely should have been, them Japs was nasty mofos and I still hold it again them and have never left the airport nor been off a ship in Japan when going thru there.

Subsequently a whole generation of Japanese grew up thinking they had done nothing wrong and every one of their soldiers was a hero. Personally I think the allies should have ignored the surrender and bombed it until it was flat, black and glowing in the dark.

I go along with that,, but didn't have but 2 nukes.

Do you remember that my dad was only home for a couple weeks from Europe and then had orders for the pacific when they dropped that second bomb.

[TSR2]

Why is war crimes denial not a crime in Japan?

They were not criminals in their eyes,

[kmart]

The previously Uber-Nazi Japs seem to enjoy revisionism of their recent history. Their best mates the Chinese don't seem to appreciate them ignoring the Nan Jing atrocities / massacres though. A few of my now-deceased relatives weren't exactly enamoured of the Nippons after spending a while in their hospitality after Singapore fell, either; but before the 2 nukes; the Allies blanket-bombed Tokyo into a paste, causing 6 times more loss of life than the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs combined. (After winning the brutal Pacific campaign, we had total air-control).
Disgrace was / is hard for them to handle, I suppose.

[blackgang]

Disgrace was / is hard for them to handle, I suppose.

Not as bad as a Thai tho, they took to the japs overrunning their country OK.
But you blow your horn at one now or give them the one finger salute and if they got a gun they shoot you, hack you up with a bush knife or smash into your car.

And look around you,,,,,what have they got to be so fucking proud of??, pray tell..

[beano]

The crumpet's all right but they don't seem to appreciate it like we do.

[phuketbound]

He broke the law when he was ordered to stop. 24 counts of contempt is a lot.

What did he get out of publishing all of this stuff anyway?

[Cujo]

I fail to see how disputing history can

offend, insult or humiliate or intimidate people

[PlanK]

Did he dispute history or did he publish racist, anti-sematic material. Doesn't seem clear from the story.

In Germany...

He faces charges in Germany of publishing material on the Internet "of an anti-Semitic and/or revisionist nature"

In Australia...

24 counts of contempt of court after continuing to publish material about Jews and the Holocaust

[November Rain]

When they make it a law not to debate the "truth" propagated by the jews, I started to debate the truth

May you never have to live through something like that and then be told by some eejit that you're lying.

I am old enough to remember what was said to have went down, and my dad was among the US troops to be in on the liberation of some prison/concentration and has the pix to prove it, and he told me about it and I do believe him that it actually did happen so good enough for me.

Jew scum, what else can I say

No idea. But that post just told us who was/is scum.

I fail to see how disputing history can Quote: offend, insult or humiliate or intimidate people

Really? Imagine you had lived through that nightmare. You had lived, while your family had died. You survived cold, starvation, humiliation. You survived by demeaning yourself (possibly) and doing things that you previously would never have believed yourself capable of. And then, some stupid revisionist, maybe not even old enough to have been there tells you it never happened. Wouldn't you be offended? I'd be outraged, if it were me.

[redfoot the fence]

tough call, this.

i would go with letting fools be fools as loudly and as often as they wish.

[Cujo]

tough call, this.

i would go with letting fools be fools as loudly and as often as they wish.

There you go.
And has anyone read this guys material? I haven't but I've read some of another guy a while back who was in the same trouble.
He was basically saying the numbers were wrong, he got crucified for it.
I think people should be careful not to jump on the condemnation bandwagon. In this PC environment it's getty pretty easy to 'offend' people.

[redfoot the fence]

holocaust denial is for fools and bottom fish.

fuk'em.

[kmart]

As time marches on, history becomes more vague and disputable on many fronts. Revisionism of history is usually the hallmark of a fascist / communistic government or ruling elite.