Thread: Why Did Someone Poison My Dogs??

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Well, we are trying it again. We bought two male Golden Retrievers after they were old enough to take home. Here are some pics when they were young.







Here they are at 5 months. They both have different personalities and have turned into good watch dogs. They do not have the menacing look of a pit bull and I am hoping the Thais accept them.

My hope is to possibly breed them once I get back in a few months. I will need to find a 2 year old female or two, but that all remains to be seen. My wife loves them both, so I am hoping nothing happens to them.

Nice choice, Rick.
Golden Retrievers make for great companions as they retain easy dispositions - great with children!

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Looks like a Black Labradore (mix?). Also a good dog around people and children. I have had three labs, one black and two yellow and they were all high energy dogs.

I have lost more dogs while being in Thailand than my entire lifetime in the west, which is not a good testament to dog ownership. Between being hit by cars, poisonings and old age, it seems the dogs in Thailand have less of a chance at survival than the western world.

I have always been a dog person and it still bothers me when I see one being abused or hit and have taught my son and my wife that this is not the way to treat any animal. I just wish the rest of the population thought the same way.

Good luck with your new family member thailazer.

Thanks Thaimeme. Yes, goldens are very easy going around children which was one of the main reasons I chose them. My son needs to learn the proper way to treat dogs in Thailand and not be yelling or bashing them all the time.

My ex-SIL had a golden and my oldest boy stuck his finger in her eye and she did not flinch. He was only 12 months at the time and he soon learned that was not what to do. Now he is a dog person like me as well as my middle son who has a chocolate lab.

My only concern is with hip issues, but both the mother and father of the pups were fine and the breeder knew what she was doing.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

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Looks like a Black Labradore (mix?). Also a good dog around people and children. I have had three labs, one black and two yellow and they were all high energy dogs.

I have lost more dogs while being in Thailand than my entire lifetime in the west, which is not a good testament to dog ownership. Between being hit by cars, poisonings and old age, it seems the dogs in Thailand have less of a chance at survival than the western world.

I have always been a dog person and it still bothers me when I see one being abused or hit and have taught my son and my wife that this is not the way to treat any animal. I just wish the rest of the population thought the same way.

Good luck with your new family member thailazer.

Yes, it is a Lab Newfoundland mix. Big and lunky, and not a mean bone in her body. Let's kids climb all over her.

Goldens make great dogs too. And I know what you mean about dogs in Thailand.

Enjoy your dog and I am sure she will make a great companion.

Now that I have some of your attention, does anyone know where I could find quality female golden retrievers in the Udon area? Both my wife and I are dog lovers and it is going to be one of the things that keeps me busy in the village.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Now that I have some of your attention, does anyone know where I could find quality female golden retrievers in the Udon area? Both my wife and I are dog lovers and it is going to be one of the things that keeps me busy in the village.

Buying one from a seller in the night market is going to be no more of a gamble than buying one from a proclaimed breeder expert in Thailand.

Dogs are traded all over the country as a commodity money being key as always.

If Retrievers are the breed of choice for you then I expect you know what to look for in a puppy.

Ideally one would not keep a long coated dog such as a Retriever in the tropics,its like you sitting in the sun with a fur coat on.

If you are lucky enough to buy a pure bred animal it will have a dense inner coat for warmth due to where it originated from,with a an outer coat to repel water.

This breed would be comfortable chewing a bone on a frosty lawn but hey they do have a great temperament.

Dave, I have looked at the night market and even purchased a golden retriever about 4 years ago which died at 2 months so my confidence in that approach is minimal. I know it was a luck of the draw, but we got the last two dogs from a reputable breeder and she really knew what she was doing.

Our dogs get showers twice daily and just about any dog will suffer from the heat as long as they have hair. I was always against owning something like a Siberian Husky in hot weather and feel the goldens are a better choice, even though they do have longer hair. It is not as dense as a husky, but again any dog will be warm in Thailand. We also have a pond on our property and they can go for a swim any time they want. I did look for a child's wading pool, but have not found one yet. I have owned labs in places like Phoenix and Las Vegas and they do like the water like goldens.

You do have a point, but I think if a dog is given a good place to live, that is key. One of my worries with the golden breed is their hips. The parents of our dogs never had a problem and, to my knowledge, the breeder we used has never had that issue.

If I can find another good breeder to buy a couple of females from, we should be fine. I do not want to breed dogs that are not known for their being good around both people and children. I have gone that route with the Pit Bulls and people just don't warm up to them the same way as Golden Retrievers.

Thanks again for your input.

Regarding poisons, we had the local farmers stop by again to tell us they are putting down snail poison in the rice field in front of us and that makes the water unsafe to drink. (They all liked our old dog Stormy and knew he died of poisoning.) Just passing this along to not let your dogs drink out of rice fields or other water sources near farms. We keep the new dog restrained at all times but it's nice they come by to tell us what is going on. Then this morning, the wife tells me she saw a toad of some kind around the house that is poisonous to dogs. Arggghhhh

Yes, that was considerate of the farmers. We lost two dogs on the same day and I am still not convinced it was malicious in nature.

We now keep our dogs chained when nobody is with them and they are watched at all times when they are off the chain. At our new house, we have a large patio out back where they stay and nobody is able to get too close without them sounding the alarm. At the other house, where we lost the dogs, we had a block wall and steel gate, but people could see the dogs and none of them liked anyone opening the gate unless we were there.

Interestingly, all the Thais that see the goldens really like the dogs. They are friendly to everyone and wont bark at others when we are with them. My plan is to keep all the dogs well away from the road and house entrance.

Dear Rick

Please do not breed dogs in Thailand. If you loves dogs, perhaps spend your time encouraging people to adopt homeless dogs and to take better care of the dogs they already have. For each dog you add to the country, there is one more stray along the line that will get dumped and not homed. For each beautiful Golden you add to Thailand, you create 100 + daft locals who think they want ones of those cute puppies, that then end up living chained up, outside, unwashed, underfed, or more usually thrown away when it becomes a dog rather than a puppy (not your puppy, as I dare say you would be "very choosy" about who gets one, but others from the shops). Adding another dog, or a litter, into Thailand pushes more dogs onto the street that in turn annoys (usually chinese) people who then do shitty things like poisoning them.

Also - a female dog that has had puppies life expectancy decreases massively - so if you love your dogs, breeding them sees them dying quicker.

Adopt - don't shop, and certainly do not add to the problem.

Anything else is futile and adding to Thailands horrendous dog problem.

Kind regards

Pseudolus.

Agree with Pseudolus Thailand does indeed have an horrendous dog problem and nobody is doing anything about it. On our small estate there must be at least 20 strays, outside on the road for a mile dozens more of the diseased unwanted causing a traffic, noise and health problem. As time goes on and more vicious breeds get into the stray pool it will be far more serious. Thais seem to think taking care of a dog is leaving it outside all day in the yard on it's own while they are all out at work/School all day. Then they wonder why it get's poisoned- cos it's been barking all day and it was either kill it or move. Better of course than a quiet word, can't have people losing face over a dog!

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Dear Rick

Please do not breed dogs in Thailand. If you loves dogs, perhaps spend your time encouraging people to adopt homeless dogs and to take better care of the dogs they already have. For each dog you add to the country, there is one more stray along the line that will get dumped and not homed. For each beautiful Golden you add to Thailand, you create 100 + daft locals who think they want ones of those cute puppies, that then end up living chained up, outside, unwashed, underfed, or more usually thrown away when it becomes a dog rather than a puppy (not your puppy, as I dare say you would be "very choosy" about who gets one, but others from the shops). Adding another dog, or a litter, into Thailand pushes more dogs onto the street that in turn annoys (usually chinese) people who then do shitty things like poisoning them.

Also - a female dog that has had puppies life expectancy decreases massively - so if you love your dogs, breeding them sees them dying quicker.

Adopt - don't shop, and certainly do not add to the problem.

Anything else is futile and adding to Thailands horrendous dog problem.

Kind regards

Pseudolus.

Yeah quite right Psuedo ,I am currently feeding 6 Soi Dogs as there owner left for Bangers and left them to fend for themselves ,they are only small type's about as big as a Corgi , I injected the two bitches with an overdose of methyl testosterone ( male hormone) 3 times in two week intervals, I reckon that they will never come on heat again but if they do I have a week or so to inject them again , I cook enough for 5 days and deep freeze it ,just cheap broken rice and chicken frames ,the whole shabang costs me 200 baht a week ,you would not believe the pleasure I get from seeing them rush up the soi behind my house to meet me every morning barking their bollocks off and wagging their tails ,Jan my wife cannot quite understand why I do it , I just say well ya know how these poor villagers here give food and money to these saffron robed parasites in our local temple and think it gives them luck ,I think the same only I do not give the dogs any money , I don't really believe all that crap, but I think its just some thing she can get her head around .

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Dear Rick

Please do not breed dogs in Thailand. If you loves dogs, perhaps spend your time encouraging people to adopt homeless dogs and to take better care of the dogs they already have. For each dog you add to the country, there is one more stray along the line that will get dumped and not homed. For each beautiful Golden you add to Thailand, you create 100 + daft locals who think they want ones of those cute puppies, that then end up living chained up, outside, unwashed, underfed, or more usually thrown away when it becomes a dog rather than a puppy (not your puppy, as I dare say you would be "very choosy" about who gets one, but others from the shops). Adding another dog, or a litter, into Thailand pushes more dogs onto the street that in turn annoys (usually chinese) people who then do shitty things like poisoning them.

Also - a female dog that has had puppies life expectancy decreases massively - so if you love your dogs, breeding them sees them dying quicker.

Adopt - don't shop, and certainly do not add to the problem.

Anything else is futile and adding to Thailands horrendous dog problem.

Kind regards

Pseudolus.

Yeah quite right Psuedo ,I am currently feeding 6 Soi Dogs as there owner left for Bangers and left them to fend for themselves ,they are only small type's about as big as a Corgi , I injected the two bitches with an overdose of methyl testosterone ( male hormone) 3 times in two week intervals, I reckon that they will never come on heat again but if they do I have a week or so to inject them again , I cook enough for 5 days and deep freeze it ,just cheap broken rice and chicken frames ,the whole shabang costs me 200 baht a week ,you would not believe the pleasure I get from seeing them rush up the soi behind my house to meet me every morning barking their bollocks off and wagging their tails ,Jan my wife cannot quite understand why I do it , I just say well ya know how these poor villagers here give food and money to these saffron robed parasites in our local temple and think it gives them luck ,I think the same only I do not give the dogs any money , I don't really believe all that crap, but I think its just some thing she can get her head around .

I'm up to about 20 dogs I am feeding (some times more, sometimes only a handful - depends who turns up)- go the dried food root as we simply do not have the time to cook that much rice. feed them twice a day, and take care of the medical needs as well. I weaned the missus off chucking cash at monks by telling her that the dogs are Buddha's creatures, so giving them food and keeping them in good care is even better than giving to monks. Now she bus 500 baht of the boiled chicken carcesses once a week on "chicken fridays" and there's about 40 of the buggers waiting when we get there on Fridays (they seem to know).

It's a serious point though - adding any dog to Thailand is just bad. No need for it and encourages the locals to buy cute puppies they simply do not have the ability or discipline to look after.

Nice to read your post Psuedo, and I forgot to add that the Village headmans Son who speaks passable English who has been put through a decent education by his old man , has learned from god knows were that I injected these two soi dogs to stop them coming into season ,has now implemented a scheme were upon all those with with Bitch's (female dogs) in our little village enclave can have theirs injected free of charge ,would,nt be a great idea for some thing like this to catch on and be done on a national scale, as no doubt you, as well as all who live here full time are acutely aware of this huge problem of virtually millions of unwanted dogs on Thailands streets .

I used to feed them at the old place but came to see without sterilisation it just perpetuates the problem.

Nothing exemplifies the "Mai Pen Rai" attitude better than how the dog situation in this country is considered.

Originally Posted by thailazer

Nothing exemplifies the "Mai Pen Rai" attitude better than how the dog situation in this country is considered.

Never a truer word written, but many Thai's do care for their dogs ,but sadly are in a small proportion ,meanwhile guys like Psuedo and myself and no doubt quite a few more ex pats will do their little bit to alleviate the misery

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by thailazer

Nothing exemplifies the "Mai Pen Rai" attitude better than how the dog situation in this country is considered.

Never a truer word written, but many Thai's do care for their dogs ,but sadly are in a small proportion ,meanwhile guys like Psuedo and myself and no doubt quite a few more ex pats will do their little bit to alleviate the misery

INdeed. However, this will never do. I'm off to start a thread where we can have a dust up again.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by thailazer

Nothing exemplifies the "Mai Pen Rai" attitude better than how the dog situation in this country is considered.

Never a truer word written, but many Thai's do care for their dogs ,but sadly are in a small proportion ,meanwhile guys like Psuedo and myself and no doubt quite a few more ex pats will do their little bit to alleviate the misery

INdeed. However, this will never do. I'm off to start a thread where we can have a dust up again.

Psuedo, credit given were credit is due ,I do not see why we have to be a loggerheads ALL the time ,just enjoy the ambiance of the situation while it lasts

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by thailazer

Nothing exemplifies the "Mai Pen Rai" attitude better than how the dog situation in this country is considered.

Never a truer word written, but many Thai's do care for their dogs ,but sadly are in a small proportion ,meanwhile guys like Psuedo and myself and no doubt quite a few more ex pats will do their little bit to alleviate the misery

INdeed. However, this will never do. I'm off to start a thread where we can have a dust up again.

Psuedo, credit given were credit is due ,I do not see why we have to be a loggerheads ALL the time ,just enjoy the ambiance of the situation while it lasts

Fair doos indeed. Out of interest where do you get the testosterone from? From a vet or a supplier? I want to get hold of a supplier for this and other things such as vaccinations.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by thailazer

Nothing exemplifies the "Mai Pen Rai" attitude better than how the dog situation in this country is considered.

Never a truer word written, but many Thai's do care for their dogs ,but sadly are in a small proportion ,meanwhile guys like Psuedo and myself and no doubt quite a few more ex pats will do their little bit to alleviate the misery

INdeed. However, this will never do. I'm off to start a thread where we can have a dust up again.

Psuedo, credit given were credit is due ,I do not see why we have to be a loggerheads ALL the time ,just enjoy the ambiance of the situation while it lasts

Fair doos indeed. Out of interest where do you get the testosterone from? From a vet or a supplier? I want to get hold of a supplier for this and other things such as vaccinations.

the local Vet in Town sells it ,and hypodermics too ,it costs 50 baht for a little bottle of about 150 Mg's the trade name is "Depo M" It says on the bottle inter muscle ,but the Vet says it works just as well under the skin ,I shoot a whole bottle in ,3 times in two week intervals which appears to stop them from forever coming in season again , I kept and raced Greyhounds back home for over 40 years and won many big trophy races so I have quite a bit of knowledge on how to take care of Dogs ,if you go to the vets just say Maa, Mi pen men and make an injecting motion with one hand the first time you go ,they soon get the message, there is also a cure for Mange available which you inject the same way , it will grow hair on a snooker ball ,or better still take your good lady with you who will no doubt explain it a bit better without the sign lingo , a word of advice if you do intend to inject any ,make sure you cover them with an old blanket and get some one strong to hold them ,most do not feel a thing if you pull some loose skin up ,but some will really struggle ,and make sure you do not go straight through the skin and come out on the other side of the folded skin , its piss easy for me as I have been doing it for donkeys years but to a newcomer it can often be quite an harrowing experience

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Now that I have some of your attention, does anyone know where I could find quality female golden retrievers in the Udon area? Both my wife and I are dog lovers and it is going to be one of the things that keeps me busy in the village.

Didn't know this post would start such a shitstorm. I have read all the posts and have to say my decision to breed dogs was a thought and not a sure thing. Everyone's comments have been valid, so it looks like I will be trying to find something else to do in the village.

I did just purchase a new camera, so maybe I will just take up photography again. Is there anyone out there that objects to this hobby?

Rick I would hardly think that what I have written is a shitstorm , for me it's just some thing which I have undertaken, I personally have no objections whatsoever , and you are quite free to do whatever you feel like and the very best of luck in doing so, life would be very boring if we all thought the same ,don't you agree?