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    Shotstorm is a generic term and does not always mean something large.

    Yes, I agree about life being boring if we all thought the same but I am still rethinking the breeding decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
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    Shotstorm is a generic term and does not always mean something large.

    Yes, I agree about life being boring if we all thought the same but I am still rethinking the breeding decision.
    One of the benefits of a farang taking it upon themselves to treat soi dogs well, feed them, give them medicine etc is that firstly, the nicer locals in the area will have respect for you, and will be ever more willing to help you when you need it. Secondly, if you have the time especially, the more curious locals will wonder why / what you are doing and join in. From the time I started caring for the pack I adopted when no one was feeding them, to now, there have been 4 different sets of locals now stopping off feeding them sporadically just through stopping, talking with me and the missus, and hearing her say the line I told her to say "These are gods creatures and we think it is the biggest merit we can make to care for them, feed them, and since we have, we have had a lot of luck". The impact is usually quite amazing when she blurts that out. Gradually these lots are being educated about animal care by us, which is a good thing, and indeed, one set with a young child took 2 puppies with them that return to see their old family every now and then and are amazingly well trained already (nice to see them again of course).

    Give it a go - take the camera as well.

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    I have always been a sucker for dogs that have been mistreated or not fed. One of the major reasons for not adopting every local soi dog in our neighborhood is that the wife worries about diseases when it come to our young son. Thais seem to be bothered about mangy dogs that may, or may not, have a disease that can be transmitted. The government comes around every year to vaccinate all the dogs for rabies, but I can not confirm the vaccine works 100% of the time.

    As for my two Golden Retrievers, they are well fed and well taken care of. We keep them away from all neighborhood dogs and they are very happy with their environment. Too bad we can not teach the Thais to be more humane, but they seem to lean toward hitting and abusing animals compared to our own western norms.

    I applaud anyone who takes the time and makes the effort to help any animal that is, or has been mistreated.

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    I'm a Dog person but would not encourage strays.

    Soi dogs strays in Thailand are common everywhere the majority suffering.

    Re home a dog when possible but the kindest thing for most of these dogs would be euthanasia.They are abandoned domestic animals which means for most a life of scavenging disease and painful deaths.

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    I did not discuss whether taking care of strays is wise. I only applauded those who have the nerve to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    I did not discuss whether taking care of strays is wise. I only applauded those who have the nerve to do it.
    Just my view mate not directed at anyone

    I do understand others compassion but think in the long term you have to be cruel to be kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesend Dave
    Re home a dog when possible but the kindest thing for most of these dogs would be euthanasia.They are abandoned domestic animals which means for most a life of scavenging disease and painful deaths.
    Well no, actually. The kindest thing is to take care of them in situ, make sure they are not suffering but also not breeding as well.

    "I love dogs, kill em all".

    Nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesend Dave
    Re home a dog when possible but the kindest thing for most of these dogs would be euthanasia.They are abandoned domestic animals which means for most a life of scavenging disease and painful deaths.
    Well no, actually. The kindest thing is to take care of them in situ, make sure they are not suffering but also not breeding as well.

    "I love dogs, kill em all".

    Nice.
    You obviously mean well Pseudo but in Thailand fighting a loosing battle

    The average Thai has not compassion for animals

    Worst thing I witnessed was a dog with its bowl hanging out laying on the side of the road waiting to die.

    Also sicking was when a bloke in the village shot a dog that killed two of his chickens,he left it panting fatally wounded.

    I asked him why he did not shoot it again to kill it,answer was no problem it will die soon anyway.

    That,s the mentality I have seen there and think its not going to change any time soon.

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    Fair points, but I think pseud is getting at how ridiculous it is in this situation to kid yourself that killing an animal is 'kind'.

    Don't read that often with humans, do we? 'Difficult housing Mr. Blenkinsop. Let's do him a favour and kill him'.

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    My grandfather was very blunt with a neighbor when I was a kid.

    I am sure this will be an unpopular comment but what the hell. The neighbor said that if the dog showed up in his yard again that he would shoot it. My granddad told him that if he shot his dog he would shoot him. That was the last time that neighbor ever said a word to my granddad. He had a tommy gun in his closet. My granpops ran rackets up and down the west coast. He was no one to be trifled with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    My grandfather was very blunt with a neighbor when I was a kid.

    I am sure this will be an unpopular comment but what the hell. The neighbor said that if the dog showed up in his yard again that he would shoot it. My granddad told him that if he shot his dog he would shoot him. That was the last time that neighbor ever said a word to my granddad. He had a tommy gun in his closet. My granpops ran rackets up and down the west coast. He was no one to be trifled with.
    Quality comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesend Dave
    Worst thing I witnessed was a dog with its bowl hanging out laying on the side of the road waiting to die.

    Also sicking was when a bloke in the village shot a dog that killed two of his chickens,he left it panting fatally wounded
    Says rather a lot about you, sunshine. Why didn't YOU do anything on those two occasions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesend Dave
    Worst thing I witnessed was a dog with its bowl hanging out laying on the side of the road waiting to die.

    Also sicking was when a bloke in the village shot a dog that killed two of his chickens,he left it panting fatally wounded
    Says rather a lot about you, sunshine. Why didn't YOU do anything on those two occasions?
    Simple answer I did not have a gun!

    The dog with the bowl hanging out is one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen,it was not far from the Vehicle licence place in Pattaya.

    There was nothing I could do but would of loved to put that animal out of its misery,don't bare thinking about the pain it was in.

    The dog that was shot in the village and left bleed to death and suffer was shot with one of them Musket powder loading things.
    The wife's Brother has one as an uncle who lived next door.

    Believe me I did try to get someone to go back and finish the poor Bastard of!,the blank looks and its no problem replies is all I got.

    I'm no soft cnut but I hate seeing suffering!!

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    Back in my old home town, there is a different problem with dogs dying: Uniformed policeman shooting them through the window of locked vehicles. That police department really needs to look at their hiring and training policies....
    Idaho cop shoots, kills adorable black Lab named Arfee after mistaking him for aggressive pit bull - NY Daily News
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    Quote Originally Posted by thailazer View Post
    Back in my old home town, there is a different problem with dogs dying: Uniformed policeman shooting them through the window of locked vehicles. That police department really needs to look at their hiring and training policies....
    Idaho cop shoots, kills adorable black Lab named Arfee after mistaking him for aggressive pit bull - NY Daily News
    The man must have very poor eye sight or just another trigger happy Yank cop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesend Dave View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by thailazer View Post
    Back in my old home town, there is a different problem with dogs dying: Uniformed policeman shooting them through the window of locked vehicles. That police department really needs to look at their hiring and training policies....
    Idaho cop shoots, kills adorable black Lab named Arfee after mistaking him for aggressive pit bull - NY Daily News
    The man must have very poor eye sight or just another trigger happy Yank cop.
    I think it is the latter. When did they start taking away your brain when they give you a badge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesend Dave
    Simple answer I did not have a gun!
    never heard of a vet then?

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    sorry to read of your loss, lets hope the person or persons involved rot in hell, try and get a replacement dog for the wife,

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesend Dave
    Simple answer I did not have a gun!
    never heard of a vet then?
    Being Silly now Pseudo!

    Our first pup was given by an uncle only to be stolen some months later, I was intending to get it checked by a vet.

    Found one about 30k away from the village in Nong Khai for that reason only.

    If someone would of handed me a gun or a appropriate injection I would of gladly ended those animals suffering.

    There,s no way I would of put my hand in my pocket to put right the wrongs done by Thais!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesend Dave
    30k away from the village in Nong Khai
    fair play. 30km?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcmarc View Post
    sorry to read of your loss, lets hope the person or persons involved rot in hell, try and get a replacement dog for the wife,
    Yes, I have already done that and pics of the the new Golden Retrievers can be seen earlier in this thread. My wife is happy again and enjoys taking care of our two new "boys."

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    I did not discuss whether taking care of strays is wise. I only applauded those who have the nerve to do it.
    Misplaced 'compassion' as it only creates yet more suffering and more of a problem. Unless such people are having the pests sterilised first then they should not be feeding them. Thailand has an enormous stray dog problem that nobody is doing anything about, feeding the buggers is not the answer and is just making the situation worse.
    Last edited by xanax; 25-07-2014 at 12:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    . My wife is happy again and enjoys taking care of our two new "boys."
    Are they baby substitutes? if not they are dogs, not 'boys'.

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    Obviously, you are not a dog lover Xanax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
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    Obviously, you are not a dog lover Xanax.
    My wife says I am, but I think I am more realistic, people who feed strays are not dog lovers. They are just in love with the idea that they are doing some good, when they are just making a problem a lot worse. These meat eating 'animal lovers' kid themselves feeding diseased ridden pests is somehow 'making merit' it's not, it's just creating more misery and suffering.

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