^ But in the meantime, you fail to criticise the countless lies of Pheu Thai...
Biased much Scaramanga?
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^ But in the meantime, you fail to criticise the countless lies of Pheu Thai...
Biased much Scaramanga?
Indeed....spot on mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by nidhogg
But it is funny watching the Thaksin fan-club run around trying to make something of this....distract, distract and distract....
^ would you like to read beyond Nidhogg's surface contents, and attempt to understand the real meaning in his post...
Two points here, SD.Quote:
Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
Firstly, the way you managed to spin this around is quite incredible, worthy of TH... The facts in this case are clear: the dems are attacking the PT leader in numerous ways, one of the ways they are attacking the PT leader is by saying/attempting to show that she is detached from the 'people' and doesn't really care about them - her Wellington boots and her supposed trip to a concert are two clear and recent examples. So, when the dems leader is on holiday abroad at this time, while the dems are attacking the PT leader from being detached from the populous, the dems felt the need to cover it up, lie about it, because it clearly shows their double standards yet again. This thread is about abhisit, the dems leader; but, you spun it around to be about Thaksin... why o why o why... Because instead of analyzing the facts of this case, you decided to force your own political ideology upon it; you ignored the facts in this case and decided to spin...
Two, why ignore abhisit's behaviour? Behaviour so utterly unacceptable to Thais that his party thought they needed to lie about it. Why would you and your ideology try to defend him? Why would you do that???
You could have said: "well, yes, abhisit and the dems are shameful at this time, but that doesn't completely detract from their criticisms of PT - although it does rather put their motivation into perspective..."
Instead, you decided to spin and say: "but Thaksinites..."
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Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
You mean the manufactured lies that you are so dumb to see trough
Manufactured?
You don't get out much do you...
I think you misunderstand my reasoning...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettyboo
Don't care what Abhisit does. He has no power, no influence and lost all legitamacy a long time ago.
In the meantime, you are quoting stuff from the Pheu Thai playbook...be careful of that mate....
That the Democrats may capitalise on the Yingluck's embarrassing failures of late means little. It is Thai politics.
Yingluck has made some enormous errors. Her opponents have jumped at these. Did you expect anything less? Dirty tricks are the name of the game here. Both sides engage in it.
Once again, Abhisit is of little significance. That he lied isn't surprising. That he went on holiday isn't surprising. This is being blown up by those wishing to move the goalposts to protect Yingluck and distract from the PR disaster Pheu Thai have suffered....and they have and some.
^ I don't support Thaksin or PT.
This is an abhisit thread. Why did you spin it???
Look at your language of your last post, on an abhisit thread:
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Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
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Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
I repeat: this thread is about abhisit; but you keep on spinning away...Quote:
Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
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Originally Posted by nidhogg
Way off. See https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...ml#post1917497
^ Fair point. He is, indeed duty bound to stay here and point out all the mistakes Yingluk is making....
I'll try to put this as simply as I can...
One...Abhisit presided over the crackdown on the reds during April/May 2010. He has shown no remorse or regret. He has taken no responsibility.
Two...Then he goes to the Maldives and lies about it.
Three...People jump all over this....almost as if it is shocking news or something.
Did you expect anything less...see point one....
However, the reality is, that he has NO POWER. He got voted out. What he does or doesn't do means very little. He lost all legitimacy a long time ago.
So....why all the fuss....:)
Nicely said!Quote:
Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
For me! It is the knowledge that the people, the elite the rich and military, who put him in power once are looking for any excuse, like a flood, to do the same again. I want the democratic system to have a chance. This flood is not well timed for a new government.
Still appreciate the sentiment.
He is leader of the opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
He is the guy put in place by the army and bluebloods.
He will likely be put back in charge again by the same folks who put him there in the first place.
Bangkok voted for him. Bangkok is flooding. He is leader of the opposition. Bangkok has a dem 'mayor'. abhisit went on holiday...
He is relevant, and he is an important symbol in Thai politics.
^But even the Democrat Governor of Bangkok is telling Bangkok people that now is a perfect time to go on vacation out of Bangkok.
^ indeed, but that doesn't apply to political leaders and 'pillars of the community'... :)
I should be going on holiday too, but the stupid bloody missus won't buy into the idea - don't really want to leave her alone (in case she sells the place and the car while I'm gone...).
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Originally Posted by Bettyboo
because the party he led did not recieve any votes from the populace and did not manage to garner together a majority coalition ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettyboo
calgary must be on to something - or is it just on something
^ you posts are difficult to make out at the best of times, Baldrick...
My position has changed, it's not preconceived, it changed after analysis of the unfolding facts. I used to be an abhisit supporter...
and did those facts show that he was not leader of the democrat party which received a fair percentage of the populations votes and was able to cobble together a majority coalition of other candidates who had received the majority of votes in their areas ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettyboo
and did those facts show that he was installed as head of the government coalition at the whim of " insert latest nickname here " ( shadowy hand was my favourite )
^ again, you're not coherent...
This is not the time for the usual games of political crisis and posturing. Its a time where public figures should reframe from making criticism unless its constructive and helpful.Quote:
Originally Posted by nidhogg
If the red shirts are offering partisan rescue efforts, if individual politicians are active interfering in flood control this needs to be from page material now.
making issues the PM's attire and abasit's holiday, might be bread and butter political posturing but at this moment in time there is no place for it.
I'm seeing rather too much of the latter and not enough of the former.
one thing that is certain, unless someone successfully undermines parliamentary democracy in this country; the PM is going to be entirely responsible for the post flood clean up, initiating the construction of flood refleif schemes and, most important, the root and branch reform of water management within the thai government. This is when the opposition and press should be holding the PM fully accountable for her actions.
Sorry mate. But thats all there really is here. The last PT "platform" was little more than "Cakes!! Parties!! Ice cream!! Funny hats for all"....Quote:
Originally Posted by hazz
One of the main problems here is that a relatively unsophisticated electorate does not realize that it is THEIR money that is being used for the cakes and ice cream. One probable reason for that is that the tax base is so narrow in this country. I believe that the figure is something like 10% of the populace pays tax. Broadening that might make people realize where "governmental" money comes from.
Just as an aside, I should think that PT are absolutely blood salivating at the moment. You can be sure that a big, big, big water management program is being drafted as we speak, and that the 30 to 50% of the costs that WILL be siphoned off in corruption have already been ear marked. And more cynically that "Shinawat Water managment, construction and shenanigans Inc." is being formed as we speak....
or you do not comprehend what you post ? which may well explain why you post what you postQuote:
Originally Posted by Bettyboo
you along with many others state your "fact" that Abhisit was installed as Prime minister by " insert various changing behind the scenes groups " - yet you never wish to acknowledge the real fact - Abhisit was the leader of the Democrat party who formed a majority coalition.
^ Baldrick, you go round in circles, so it's nice when you actually say what you mean (ignoring the deceit in your text...).
Some of your words are correct, and suit your purpose well as long as we ignore 80 years of contextual information and abhisit's part in it over the last 6 years or so; fortunately, the Thai populous are very much more educated than yourself in this respect...
Here, have some comfort food:
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2011/10/3647.jpg
so the fact is you were installed in your job by the " military , amart , shadowy group "
you belong with calgary , tom sawyer , scaramanga , bold retard etc as willing participants in the dissemination of propaganda
PM may work with Abhisit to tackle flood - The Nation
October 27, 2011 4:00
Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra may soon invite Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva to work as a team for flood control in the capital, Army chief General Prayuth Chan-ocha said on Thursday.
"I expect the prime minister to work with Abhisit - this is better than each side going different way," he said following a meeting with Yingluck,
Prayuth said all sides should join together in order to overcome the worst flood in Bangkok.
Must be bad when you have to dig up stupid stories like this in order to get your rocks off. You wankers who adore your God "Takki the Great" really make it easy for the rest of us to "spot the retarded rednecks". Do Thailand a favour and fuck off back to your own countries, wankers.