Thread: Yingluck Cabinet - 'No reds in new Cabinet'

Originally Posted by LooseBowels

I think Khun Taksin will now return and "serve" a token sentance, maybe 1 year, but in a basically resort type "captivity

Originally Posted by LooseBowels

You cant argue with that

Hmmm, maybe this one teensie-weensie time I may argue with that LB

Thaksin's conviction was by a military/Amart directed and controlled judiciary and to acquiesce to that sort of political persecution by succumbing and serving some sort of politically motivated incarceration would legitimize the kangaroo court process.

I keep waiting for that entire Fascist PAD leadership bunch to be thrown in jail, with leg chains and all, for their airport caper.....the whole damn bunch.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

I cannot see Thaksin returning to Thailand until after the inevitable, unspeakable happens.

The sooner, the better!

Originally Posted by Calgary

Together, those two are a powerhouse. The Amart will do everything in their power to diminish those two. They are big-time future political threats.

Agree that they are charismatic speakers, both highly adept at whipping a crowd into a frenzy.

It is just a shame that both Jatuporn and Natthawut are the most mendacious and the most lacking in any form of integrity, of their ilk.

Their skills are sadly wasted on total crap (unless of course you admire those who lie, deceive, connive, manipulate etc etc).

Originally Posted by The Nation

Snoh opposes appointing reds to Cabinet

I saw this guy in person recently.

Damn, he's old.

Can barely ascend/descend the stairs on/off the stage.

I never understand why these old buggers don't just give it up already.

Originally Posted by BKK. Post

Once the red-shirts have control of more than half of the country the form of administration will be changed, outgoing Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban warned on Wednesday.

Ya mean that when elections change administrations, things change?

Damn, Never occurred to me!

I am sure the pardon is being discussed as a priority before any judicial coup like in 2001, hence his declaration that he would come to his daughter wedding, incidentally in December

Originally Posted by Toronto Globe and Mail

Mr. Thaksin – as well as senior Red Shirt leaders – have been accused of seeking to overthrow the monarchy and to turn Thailand into a presidential republic, a charge Mr. Thaksin vehemently denies.

I am buried in a swarm of Red Shirt activists/political junkies every day, some of whom speak excellent English so that this linguistically challenged Farang doesn't miss what they are all about.

Never, ever have I heard anyone suggest that they want to change the Constitutional Monarchy form of Government such as in Commonwealth countries Canada, Australia, Thailand etc. - NEVER.

They talk about reforming certain elements within it, but never the political superstructure.

Such a criticism is totally without foundation IMHO.

Originally Posted by Toronto Globe and Mail

“We refuse to have a network of aristocrats. Ms. Thida

Or in other words, a continuation of a 'tyranny of the minority' applying their will through threats and intimidation.

As Yingluck was encouraged to do, act within the first 100 days and dare them to challenge a new electoral mandate.

The sooner the better.....delay will make it more difficult, not easier.

Originally Posted by Calgary

Originally Posted by The Nation

The red-shirt movement will stage a "Concert for Democracy" on July 17 at Lumpini Park and vows to further advance democracy in Thailand. This will be followed by more such concerts throughout the country.

In keeping with their evolving role, now that majority Government has prevailed over the previous "Tyranny of the minority"

As mentioned to me and posted previously, in part their new role will be to support their Government against another Amart heist, and to publicise issues when this Government is forced to do things out-of-character by unelected forces.

Which sounds great and I hope that they do what they say, but...when will we know it is the unelected forces who are the ones doing things "out-of-character" or Pheu Thai/Thaksin et al.

I hope the reds show equal vigour in seeking veracity when it is the Pheu Thai Party doing the deceiving. The claims in the run-up to the election, such as the invisible ink, army psy-ops, Unit 315 threatening people, the satellite monitoring of the reds, and the supposedly imminent coup (started in Janurary 2011) all coming from the reds (or Pheu Thai) and the obvious collusion around these instances of being economical with the truth (or outright lying if you prefer) demonstrate that someone needs to be watching the watchers....

They have never admitted that they were wrong. Never owned their lies. Never acknowledged that the things they said were happening, didn't actually happen. People will forget the lies...I imagine some here already have (I wont). But lies they were.

My hope is that the normal people in the red shirt movement replace/kick out the current red shirt leadership and then we might actually see a movement of the people, that believes in such high ideals as honesty and integrity and working for the people they represent. The Thaksin proxies need to go and soon, as they will only continue to damage the movement and work for themselves and their master...

Originally Posted by Calgary

As Yingluck was encouraged to do, act within the first 100 days and dare them to challenge a new electoral mandate. The sooner the better.....delay will make it more difficult, not easier.

I see it the opposite way. The EC are ready to ban many PT winners, the CC are ready to ban the PT and the army are ready to lock the country down in the name of a certain institution... Time is against the army/bluebloods due to a certain gent's age, so consolidating and governing well is what the PT need to do first. The rest, which needs to come, comes later...

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

I hope the reds show equal vigour in seeking veracity when it is the Pheu Thai Party doing the deceiving. The claims in the run-up to the election, such as the invisible ink, army psy-ops, Unit 315 threatening people, the satellite monitoring of the reds, and the supposedly imminent coup (started in Janurary 2011) all coming from the reds (or Pheu Thai) and the obvious collusion around these instances of being economical with the truth (or outright lying if you prefer) demonstrate that someone needs to be watching the watchers.... They have never admitted that they were wrong. Never owned their lies. Never acknowledged that the things they said were happening, didn't actually happen. People will forget the lies...I imagine some here have already (I wont). But lies they were.

I think the army/bluebloods did all this and more; they've been doing it for decades. I used to say go back to Rama VII to see the context, but actually starting with Rama V, seeing Rama VI's contribution and then moving forward, puts things further into perspective.

The army/bluebloods have never changed, but Thailand and Bangkok has. Urbanization has changed the face of Bangkok, with the population of Bangkok trippling in recent decades, the named folk, traditional land owners are massively out-numbered...

I had a very interesting chat with a very close friend of mine yesterday, a good Thai army family, married to a doctor (PAD of course...), PhD at Chula, all th best schools getting there... We agreed that the 'traditional' Bangkok families and bluebloods are having a very hard time of it. Their nice Bangkok orchards are now surrounded by outsiders (Kwai...) and they hate it! We also agreed that the irony is, it's the short-sighted greed of these very families, selling land at massive prices, building condos to make millions/billions, etc, that has made the situation we are now in; they have constructed their own downfalll.

So self-suficiency economy, back to farming, ruralization, is exactly what these folk want, but the world doesn't work that way, they've lost their homes, their comfortable positions, etc, welcome to the real world. My friend and I also agreed that, these folk won't see it, refuse to see it, and will do anything/everything to stop reality, but reality doesn't work that way. On their way down, and the Urbanization of Bangkok has sealed their fate over the moving decades, they will scream and shout (just as we are seeing...).

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Red-shirt leader Korkaew says if red-shirts don't get appointed as minister, conflict with Pheu Thai may ensue

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

They have never admitted that they were wrong. Never owned their lies. Never acknowledged that the things they said were happening, didn't actually happen. People will forget the lies...I imagine some here already have (I wont). But lies they were.

Just because you don't believe them doesn't mean they they're lies. Was it you who absolutely insisted that there was no such thing as a Thai army psyops unit (you know, that "non-existent" unit whose badge stevecm uses as an avatar?).

No, I had made a joke, along the lines of, if such a thing as an army psyops unit existed, then there is nothing to fear, as they are no doubt utterly incompetent, which comes from seeing how much psychological awareness there is in this country (next to nothing). Steve decided to misinterpret this and run with it. Shocker hey....he has continued to do so.

Some got it at the time. Some didn't. You apparently fell into the latter category.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

None of the other things have been proven to be lies either, some of them have actually been confirmed.

Proof? Links? Evidence? I'd be interested to know about what happened.

Here's my list...

Invisible ink on the ballots.

Army psy-ops and their mind influencing ways...

Unit 315 threatening people

The satellite monitoring of the reds

The supposedly imminent coup (started in Janurary 2011)

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Considering some of the things being talked about it's doubtful that anybody other than those immediately involved know the truth about them, are you seriously telling us that you are privy to coup-planning councils?

Are you seriously asking me a ridiculous question?

Oh yes, you are...

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

I had made a joke

A big mistake as your sense of humour is on a par with your level of understanding and your depth of knowledge.

Originally Posted by Calgary

It is generally agreed that the Red Shirt democracy Movement leaders played a huge role in the PT victory.

Yes, that's true. It is now a difficult job to please/appease them. This is Thailand, so they will want their cut, but I think Y has to be strong and run a government not a horse trading fayre. Again, she needs to hold the moral high ground because PT are not strong enough to hold off the army/bluebloods without massive popular support.

Originally Posted by Calgary

So when it is out with the old, and in with the new "moving day"

The coup cemmented their hold. It is impossible to remove senators and judges now without major legislation/shuffles which will bring PAD protests, army threats and massive media propaganda. I reckon they have to tread lightly until their position is stronger, or a very well organized day of the 'long knives'...

Originally Posted by Calgary

The judiciary with their Youtube judges (quoting someone before) and DSI could use some shaking up and recalibrating by the changing guard

PT can appoint people to the DSI (still, it'll be opposed strongly), but the judiciary and senate are bigger problems. PT do not have a dominant position despite their big win. Thus, the red shirts are very important to them still, but it's divisive...

The army/bluebloods certainly have a lot of room for squirming and causing problems...

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

I had made a joke

A big mistake as your sense of humour is on a par with your level of understanding and your depth of knowledge.

Oh, insults (without substance and inaccurate) but no evidence.

What a surprise...

Bangkok Post : Yingluck denies she'll visit Thaksin

Yingluck denies she'll visit Thaksin

• Published: 8/07/2011 at 10:52 AM
• Online news:

Prime minister-in-waiting Yingluck Shinawatra has rejected as baseless reports that she planned to go to Hong Kong to meet her brother, fugitive former prime minister Thaksin, on Sunday to discuss the cabinet lineup.

Ms Yingluck said on Friday morning that she is now busy working on drafting policies of the incoming government for delivering to parliament.

“I have no plan to go to Hong Kong and will be in Bangkok,” she said.

The youngest sister of Thaksin said she had no knowledge about reports that members of the Matchima faction would defect from the Bhumjaithai Party to join Pheu Thai in forming the government. Whether they would even be accepted would rest with the party executive.

She was confident that the selection of cabinet members will not lead to internal rifts in the Pheu Thai Party.

“The selection will be based on principles and I believe it will be acceptable by all parties concerned. There might be a difference of opinions among party members, but that does not mean conflict,” Ms Yingluck said.

I fail to see she owes any explanation as to whether &/or when she visits her brother.

The establishment want to make out it's a crime if she visits her older brother in Hong Kong to get advice.

Of course it isn't. It's something completely normal.

Maybe it's time for her to make a stand instead of letting the press insinuate it's some kind of clandestine activity.