Thread: Yingluck Cabinet - 'No reds in new Cabinet'

The media is predictably obsessing over Thaksin, a figure whom Interpol were never the least interested in pursuing.

Ok, so Yingluck is a liar. Now her ratings will nose dive and next year there'll be another general election.

^ There is not even the slightest doubt that Thaksin was heaily involved in picking the cabinet, what I doubt, though, is him admitting it, but who knows?

Originally Posted by longway

^ There is not even the slightest doubt that Thaksin was heaily involved in picking the cabinet,

I totally agree. It's constantly repeated even though it's not even real news, it's like the constant breathless "revelations" that Yingluck is a Thaksin proxy. Considering that it's one of the main reasons people voted PT it's hardly news to anybody except those who think it's some sort of secret.

No, what interests me here is less the actual content of that tweet and more the process by which

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

TAN_Network TAN News Network

INN: Thaksin tells Japanese media he had a hand in arranging Cabinet line-up; denies talking about return to Thailand

leads to

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Yingluck is caught in a lie

and

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

He really wants to sabotage his sisters tenure doesn't he....

We have an 18 word quote based on an unsourced reference which SD, based on his direct statements re that quote, considers to be absolute truth. I'm curious about the chain of reasoning which led him to believe that quote to be the truth.

The content of that tweet is not that important. What really piques my interest is understanding how those 18 words, read by a stridently neutral observer who didn't even need to refer to the alleged original source, can lead to the conclusion that

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Yingluck is caught in a lie

Politically it's not that interesting. Semantically it's fascinating and I'm looking forward to reading the chain of reasoning that SD applied to arrive at the conclusion that the quote was absolutely true.

^I imagine some frantic searching is going on in an attempt to locate a source claiming Thaksin "mouthed off" or anything like it. If Thaksin did such a thing, he's dumber than I thought and just as overconfident as I'd always expected.

^^ Ah the real reason for your interest emerges DrB. It is just yet another opportunity to have a go at me. Earlier Buksida, now me. Funny how you creep out of the woodwork every so often to do this. Funny, for me, but terribly sad for you.

What a simply wonderful life you must have....

Yeah, so I added my embellishment to proceedings, so what? To everyone it is obvious that Thaksin was/is involved in the cabinet selection, but Yingluck has denied it. That's the point. Is this Tweet solid evidence? No. But my conclusions are valid, just as valid as anyone else (hey, at least I bother to post opinions on what occurs, as opposed to just attacking other posters, which is all you seem to do of late).

Your (and of course the ever ready Steve's) attempt to ridicule or belittle me is as usual wasted, as I really don't give a damn. I'd have thought you'd have learned this by now, it has been a year of the same tactics by you....apparently you haven't DrBob.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Yeah, so I added my embellishment to proceedings, so what?

Come again? "Japanese media, where it appears Thaksin has been mouthing off" is embellishment? It "appears" that based on what? And you base Yingluck's "lying" on that? By the way, the only speculation I have seen in Japanese is タクシン氏の新政権への影響力も考慮した, which means in consideration of his influence on the new administration, not on forming the cabinet specifically.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Your (and of course the ever ready Steve's) attempt to ridicule or belittle me is as usual wasted, as I really don't give a damn.

Not wanting to repeat myself - 2nd para at https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...ml#post1840302 (Divided Thailand seeks elusive 'normalcy')

Pathetic.

Originally Posted by robuzo

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

The Tweet referenced Japanese media, where it appears Thaksin has been mouthing off. It doesn't say he appointed the entire cabinet.

The Japanese media are saying that he was allowed the visa "in consideration of his influence on the new government." (article here in Japanese asahi.com) This appears to be a (logical) assumption on their part, but I'm not seeing them quote either Thaksin or Eda (Japanese justice minister) of saying so directly. Other articles (Yomiuri ƒjƒ…�[ƒX�[at]‘¬•ñ�[at]YOMIURI ONLINE�i“Ç”„�V•·�j and newsclip (a Japanese organization dedicated to Thai news) newsclip.be ) mention a "formal request by the Thai government," with newsclip article also quoting some complaining from Abhisit about the decision. None quote Thaksin saying anything. Where is your evidence that Thaksin is "mouthing off" to the Japanese media? (I realize you say he is mouthing off in it, which makes no sense, unless he is writing articles for the J-media that have yet to be published.)

An interview with Thaksin is on Kyodo, the English language Japanese news service today...

Thaksin says he wants to help Japan's quake reconstruction efforts | Kyodo News

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

An interview with Thaksin is on Kyodo, the English language Japanese news service today... Thaksin says he wants to help Japan's quake reconstruction efforts | Kyodo News

Best he brings a shovel

The sad donkey taksin bashers on here really should get out more and go get a life

Who gives a shit whats being reportedly "reported by sources near to".....its a load of old shit, aimed at the dullards and ravenously gobbled up by the dustbins.
Some sad lives about, now put that lid back on.

Thaksin was Thailand's foreign minister under Banharn, some time before the formation of TRT. He's not exactly a stranger to Japan and it's dignitaries. They have an interesting snigger the Japanese, and they'll be sniggering right now at the idiotic Press commentary coming from Bangkok. Like me, they will speculate between sniggers that most of these talentless Hacks were in nappies when they first got acquainted with Shinawatra.


Unfortunately, they still are.

One thing to bear in mind is that the government never would have gone to the trouble of asking for a visa for Thaksin if the Js hadn't already let them know through other channels that one would be forthcoming. By granting a visa technically in contravention of Japan's own rules (although that is certainly not unprecedented for Japan) the Japanese government, whose opinion and good graces are extremely important to Thailand, is sending a signal to possible enemies of the Yingluck administration. They didn't like the coup(s) and they don't like the repeated changes of government, especially under the gun or the threat of violence. It isn't so much because they care about democracy, but rather it is stability and continuity that Japan is likely seeking.
Btw, the possibility of Thaksin visit to stricken areas in Tohoku is a sick joke, and smacks of nothing so much as disaster tourism. They really don't need to devote resources to shepherding some foreign dignitary around who just wants to show off (and yak roo yak hen). If he really wants to get close the biggest problem in NE Japan they should let the odious box-headed twat a chance to examine Fukushima 1.

Originally Posted by robuzo

One thing to bear in mind is that the government never would have gone to the trouble of asking for a visa for Thaksin if the Js hadn't already let them know through other channels that one would be forthcoming. By granting a visa technically in contravention of Japan's own rules (although that is certainly not unprecedented for Japan) the Japanese government, whose opinion and good graces are extremely important to Thailand, is sending a signal to possible enemies of the Yingluck administration. They didn't like the coup(s) and they don't like the repeated changes of government, especially under the gun or the threat of violence. It isn't so much because they care about democracy, but rather it is stability and continuity that Japan is likely seeking.
Btw, the possibility of Thaksin visit to stricken areas in Tohoku is a sick joke, and smacks of nothing so much as disaster tourism. They really don't need to devote resources to shepherding some foreign dignitary around who just wants to show off (and yak roo yak hen). If he really wants to get close the biggest problem in NE Japan they should let the odious box-headed twat a chance to examine Fukushima 1.

Sorry, but I searched all Japanese media and i didn't see any mention of the Japanese government not liking the coup.

Where is your evidence that the Japanese government didn't like the coup, in the Japanese media?

Yes, I am taking the piss.

But it seems that you can say what you want without challenge, but if I speculate or embellish (as indeed you have just done, as you do not have nor will you ever have any evidence to back up your assertions above), then I get jumped on.

I expect DrBob to be along shortly to do to you what he did to me....

Oh....

Btw, just an opinion, I hope I am allowed to offer those, but most governments just change policy to suit who is in power at the time. No need to read too much in to it. The country's (business) interests (in this case Japan's) comes first.

Bangkok Post : Our lady of grace and her stock phrase

COMMENTARY

Our lady of grace and her stock phrase

• Published: 16/08/2011 at 12:00 AM
• Newspaper section: News

Yingluck Shinawatra has yet to warm her prime ministerial chair, but an observation has already been made about her style of governance: it's said to be a "well-scripted" one.

Most Thai prime ministers earned his or her catch-phrase, derived from an oft-uttered expression which, over time, came to define the administration.

For tight-lipped Gen Prem Tinsulanonda, it was "better go home, son (or daughter)". For easy-breezy Gen Chatichai Choonhavan, it was "no problem". For bureaucracy-oriented Chuan Leekpai, it was "I have yet to see a report on this matter".

For the new PM Yingluck, it looks as if her trademark could likely be: "Everything will be done according to an established procedure, with participation from every side involved."

This is derived from the stock answer Ms Yingluck has been using in reply to practically every question she has faced, ranging from whether to grant an amnesty to former PM Thaksin Shinawatra, to solving the recurring flood problems.

True, it is not a line to become wildly excited about; it's not even a catchy sound-bite.

But it's not a bad one.

Critics may say that PM Yingluck is playing safe by sticking to the mundane "listening to all stake-holders and taking every concern into account" as her policy statement. After all, she is basically saying nothing.
And nothingness is not exactly what people should want to associate with the new PM who has made history on her way up.

However, if we look at the statement from another point of view, it could mean that the country's first female premier really intends her administration to be more of a gung-ho, participatory style.

If true, it will stand in sharp contrast to that of her big brother, widely known as a very top-down, one-man-show kind of administration. If proven true, it could also mean that the family and the party have learned their lesson and plan to do things differently this time.

Such a prospect might not be bad for Thailand.

There is no doubt that former premier Thaksin chose to govern in a decisive, bold and maverick manner because he could. He had both the resources and mettle to pull it through, even though he ended up paying the high price of being ousted by a coup.

Time will tell. But even though Thaksin has described Ms Yingluck as his "clone", she is not exactly like him - by the looks of it so far. In fact, it can be said that PM Yingluck has shown more discipline than her brother in communicating with the public. No verbal gaffes so far, political or otherwise. And not a single misstep as far as her public image is concerned. This is compared to Thaksin who, deep into his second term, continued to make such an obtuse move as publicly announcing that his party would take better care of those people who voted for his party than those who didn't; or compared with the late PM Samak Sundaravej who, right after taking office, committed a faux pas on CNN by stating wrongly that there was only "one death" during the October 6, 1976 massacre.

Of course, PM Yingluck will soon find out that there are times and situations which demand an executive decision and nothing short of it, when the burden of choice will rest on her shoulders only, and when she can call on nobody else to participate in the process with her. Such a situation will be a testing time for the new PM who has been thrust into leading the country through a delicate transition.

Another pitfall, which has already emerged, is that despite her discipline, there are bound to be gaps between what PM Yingluck communicates and what actually transpires. The appointment of Surapong Towijakchaikul as foreign minister is a case in point.

A few weeks before the cabinet list came out, Ms Yingluck said the FM could be an outsider. Later, when she said she had finished 80% of the list, Ms Yingluck said it didn't matter if the new FM was a party insider or outsider but that the nominee must have a solid background in diplomacy and good connections with the international community.

The final list showing Mr Surapong - an engineer with no background in international diplomacy - at the helm of the Foreign Ministry has exposed the emptiness of Ms Yingluck's talk. It is inconsistencies like this that will reaffirm the public perception of Ms Yingluck as a leader who is armed only with a good script and no real power. If that perception is allowed to take root, it will then remain to be seen whether the PM's discipline and feminine grace can save the day for her.


Atiya Achakulwisut

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Ah the real reason for your interest emerges DrB. It is just yet another opportunity to have a go at me.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Yeah, so I added my embellishment to proceedings, so what?

That's the real reason. Your embellishments. I wanted you to finally admit you embellish your "reports" and at last you did just that. I and others have known for a long time that you "embellish" and that your strident "neutrality" was nothing more than a lie, now everybody who reads these threads knows just that, and they know not because I accuse you of embellishment but because you blatantly admit it.

Your childish paranoia is shameful. I have no interest in just "having a go" at you. If I wanted to do that I wouldn't even bother including your posts in my replies. I wanted to expose you as a liar and a fraud because I despise liars and frauds like you, Thaihome, and Buksida, nothing more than that.

Bangkok Post : Shakeup of state transport heads rumoured

Shakeup of state transport heads rumoured

• Published: 17/08/2011 at 12:00 AM
• Newspaper section: News

Speculation is running high that the Transport Ministry is mulling management changes at various state enterprises.


Sumet: Tipped to be new AoT head

A source said that Airport of Thailand president Thiraphol Noprampha is among those facing the axe. He is reportedly close to Bhumjaithai de facto leader Newin Chidchob.

The source said that ACM Sumet Phomanee, chief of the Security Forces Command under the air force, is being tipped to head AoT.

ACM Sumet is an armed forces preparatory school classmate of deposed prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra. The air force officer had earlier been tipped for the transport portfolio.

According to the source, changes at the state enterprise boards are not unusual when there is a change in the government.

Several state enterprise boards face leadership changes, including Thai Airways International (THAI), the State Railway of Thailand and the Mass Rapid Transit Authority, said the source.

Transport Minister ACM Sukampol Suwannathat did not deny or confirm ACM Sumet would replace Mr Thiraphol as AoT president.

He said that ACM Sumet is a former AoT member and it should be no surprise if he is considered for the post.

However, ACM Sukampol said he has no immediate plan to make changes at state enterprise boards but insisted that changes, if any, are not directed by anyone in the ruling Pheu Thai Party.

He also denied that he would appoint a military officer to head THAI.

However, he noted that it is customary for an incumbent to step down as a board member when there is a change in the government.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Sorry, but I searched all Japanese media and i didn't see any mention of the Japanese government not liking the coup.

You searched "all Japanese media"? Did you use a translator? You mean Japanese media in English, right? Start here, idiot (Ministry of Foreign Affairs): MOFA: Statement by Mr. Taro Aso, Minister for Foreign Affairs, on the Coup d'Etat in Thailand
"It is regrettable that "Council for Democratic Administration Reform," headed by Army Commander in Chief General Sonthi Boonyaratglin, forcibly seized control of the governing functions of Thailand yesterday. The Government of Japan is paying close attention with serious concern to the development of the situation."

Do you recall reactions by other governments to the coup? What the US said? Australia? EU?

Learning Japanese might be a better way to spend your time than functioning as reasoning-impaired newsbot.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

I wanted to expose you as a liar and a fraud because I despise liars and frauds like you, Thaihome, and Buksida, nothing more than that.

You've always been abusive, but in the past there was some substance to your posts. These days you've descended into an obsessive cyber stalker with paranoid delusions. The only one you're upsetting is yourself, time to give it a rest and consider professional help.