Thread: Thai prime minister accused of war crimes

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

He also explained how the ICC worked and showed the UDD leaders a book of guidelines. He refused to discuss Thai political issues.

that's the problem, he is dealing with dumb Thais, who have no idea how international institutions work, and what war crimes are.

The dumb Thais are all about winning, at all cost, so legality and rules of laws always come into their way. That's why they need violence to resolve things here.

Be ready for Songkran 2011,

Originally Posted by sabang

It's the embarassment value BF, you know that.

oh come on, they passed that stage, the government is probably laughing at that other failure again. For now the reds looks ridiculous, which they are anyhow.

Next step for the reds would be to stage another violent protest, they have no other choice.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

oh come on, they passed that stage,

I dunno how the likes of Abhi can even look in a mirror without cringing.
These people couldn't lie strait in bed. But the ICC thing is a good move.
Takkie's got more brains than the sum total of establishment dross combined.
Shame that ain't saying much really.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Mr Kaul told Ms Thida and Mr Jatuporn that Thailand did not fall under the jurisdiction of the Netherlands-based court as Bangkok had yet to ratify the treaty it signed in 2000.

Nobody yet mention the irony of who despite having 5 years to do so felt it was in the country's best interests not to sign this?

The Democrats could pre-empt PT and the reds in their current disarray and call for an election in less than 50 days

would make things quite interesting, the government is still in the lead, but by Songkran the UDD will be be looking for more dead bodies and a few burnings to celebrate their 1yr anniversary

Originally Posted by Butterfly

The Democrats could pre-empt PT and the reds in their current disarray and call for an election in less than 50 days

Why don't they? Beats me. It sure beats being the Junta biatches they are now.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Butterfly

The Democrats could pre-empt PT and the reds in their current disarray and call for an election in less than 50 days

Why don't they? Beats me. It sure beats being the Junta biatches they are now.

One doesn't refer to a "Junta" within a Constitutional Militaristic Monarchy. Quite impolite and terribly gauche. Rhetoric and illusion withstading, of course.

.... with Abhisit and the Democrats preparing to steal another unfree and unfair election.

...

Interesting that Amsterdam is already hedging his bets on the outcome of the election (as are several here).

So now, despite a report by The Asian Network for Free Elections (ANFREL) which describes the election as “results of which generally reflect the will of the people”. Amsterdam as now taken to saying it was “unfree and unfair”.

Is this just because, a majority of those MP’s elected in December 2007 now support the current government.

When they voted for the PPP in their first year in office were the election then free and fair?

Where are the protests from the areas where the MP’s have voted with the government? Why are UDD activities only present in areas which are represented by a minority of the MP’s?
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^ Why do you say that? Most of the recent protesters have been from Bangkok- logistic reasons mainly. I know there are Red shirts from Buriram, Ayutthaya etc too.

The fact that a majority of UDD sympathisers are from areas that voted in members of the winning party, to see them succesively booted out of government is hardly a surprise now, is it? More encouragingly, an increasing number of red shirts these days were not Thaksin fans at all.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Butterfly

The Democrats could pre-empt PT and the reds in their current disarray and call for an election in less than 50 days

Why don't they? Beats me. It sure beats being the Junta biatches they are now.

there could be several explanation:

1. They are not ready because of the needs for the charter amendments
2. They have no intention to hold an election and will find a valid excuse to postpone indefinitely (the best outcome)
3. They are waiting for the reds to commit more violence so they can go after everyone of them and destroy politically and physically the whole movement

Originally Posted by sabang

I dunno how the likes of Abhi can even look in a mirror without cringing.

concur

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Butterfly

The Democrats could pre-empt PT and the reds in their current disarray and call for an election in less than 50 days

Why don't they? Beats me. It sure beats being the Junta biatches they are now.

there could be several explanation:

1. They are not ready because of the needs for the charter amendments
2. They have no intention to hold an election and will find a valid excuse to postpone indefinitely (the best outcome)
3. They are waiting for the reds to commit more violence so they can go after everyone of them and destroy politically and physically the whole movement

4. They (and the military) do their own opinion polling which is currently telling them that an election going in their favour is currently far from being a foregone conclusion.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2011...-30147107.html

BURNING ISSUE

ICC case? It's all theatre and PR fluff

By Avudh Panananda
The Nation
Published on January 25, 2011

Does Thailand stand to gain or lose in the face of agitation by the red and yellow shirts? Today the People's Alliance for Democracy will lead the yellow shirts on to the streets in order to pressure the government to meet three demands related to the Thai-Cambodian border dispute.

Meanwhile, the Sombat Boonngam-anong faction of the red-shirt movement will also rally to demand justice and democracy, despite the reds holding a march on Sunday.

Public anxiety goes up a notch when red and yellow rallies converge. The yellow shirts will encamp at Makkhawan Bridge near Government House while the reds will rally at Democracy Monument, about two kilometres away on Rajdamnoen Avenue.

Next week, the mainstream reds led by Thida Thawornseth will finalise legal plans to file a complaint about injustice and last year's bloodshed at the International Criminal Court, in The Netherlands - which has no chance of being heard but is being done for show.

It is ironic that the red and yellow shirts are treating their country like a punching bag, in order to fight for causes which they believe will bring about a better and stronger Thailand. Under the norms of diplomacy and international politics, border negotiations take place behind closed doors. But the PAD has cited accountability, transparency and freedom of speech to justify its public debate on border issues.

Even though it takes both countries to sort out their common borders, the PAD has curiously focused its attack on the Abhisit Vejjajiva government as if the Thai side alone can make a unilateral decision on where Cambodian territory should be.

The yellow shirts are spearheading an "awareness" campaign over border areas near Preah Vihear Temple and at Sa Kaew, opposite Cambodia's Bantaey Meanchey, to voice concern about the risk of Thailand losing territory to Cambodia.

The yellow shirts have been releasing documents to back up their attack on PM Abhisit for his supposed mishandling of a border dispute, but their arguments could backfire and compromise Thailand's position in any future negotiations on boundary settlement. The belligerent noise generated by the yellow shirts will adversely impact on boundary talks. The two neighbouring countries need an amicable atmosphere to settle their borderline.

Since border agreements are the legacy of the colonial era, Thailand is already in a disadvantageous position. Thai forebears made a painful sacrifice to shed land in order to safeguard independence.

If the yellow shirts are true patriots, then they should carefully weigh the pros and cons of what they are doing, particularly their marshalling of lopsided information on the World Court verdict on Preah Vihear and their reference on the location of border marker No 46 at Sa Kaew.

Of the three demands, the yellow shirts aim to cancel the 2000 memorandum of understanding prescribing negotiations as a way to resolve the borderline. The cancellation of negotiations could end up in military confrontation. But any armed conflict with Cambodia would certainly bring about international intervention. Can the yellow shirts guarantee their fellow compatriots that Thailand will win support from the international community after bullying its smaller neighbour?

Just like the yellow rivals, the red shirts have invoked democracy to justify their struggle. The judicial process has not been exhausted in regard to last year's bloodshed but the red shirts say they want to air their grievances at the International Criminal Court, despite the fact it only ever hears cases such as genocide and crimes against humanity.

Last century, Thais fought hard to overturn extraterritorial jurisdiction imposed by foreign powers. Their descendants, however, claim they can only rely on international courts as they refuse to listen to one another or trust in their own judiciary.

Critics say the reds have no chance of launching a case in the ICC. They overlook the reds' real intent - they just want to embarrass the government.

Ratchaprasong News

Clarification from Robert Amsterdam concerning ICC from his point of views!

Some media outlets in Thailand are reporting incorrect news on the ICC. They haven't "rejected" anything because we have not yet presented our application, which will occur on Jan. 31.

Ratchaprasong News

Continued! Our legal team feels that there is a strong argument for jurisdiction, and, more importantly, that crimes against humanity have taken place. No one can pass judgment on something they haven't even read yet.

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Thaksin government signed it.

Not if it was signed in 2000 it didn't....

Thing is, if the ICC turns its back on this sort of mass murder by the thai dictatorship, then the law is interpreted so, and it gives the green light to the rest of the world juntas to carry on murdering.

Originally Posted by LooseBowels

and it gives the green light to the rest of the world juntas to carry on murdering.

Since when did a first class murdering Junta ever pay attention to traffic lights?

Originally Posted by LooseBowels

and it gives the green light to the rest of the world juntas to carry on murdering.

right because that has stopped brutal dictators before from carrying out mass murders

god you are dumb,

Originally Posted by Mid

A senior government delegation from Thailand participated in the Rome Conference in 1998 where the ICC Statute was adopted.

On October 2, 2000, Thailand took a very important first step toward the ICC by signing the Rome Statute.

From Wikipedia:

"..38 states have signed but not ratified the treaty;the law of treaties obliges these states to refrain from “acts which would defeat the object and purpose” of the treaty."

Yep, we know it was signed....but not by Thaksin who took 5 years not ratifying it.....

Bet he wishes he had done so, well at least after his small problems at Tak Bai and the War on Drugs anyway....

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Yep, we know it was signed....but not by Thaksin

How could he have signed it? Thailand signed the Treaty of Rome before Thaksin was PM.

Originally Posted by Bobcock

5 years not ratifying it

Nor has any other Thai leader. They all have too much to hide. Singling out a single one of all of those who have not yet ratified it is just silly.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

How could he have signed it? Thailand signed the Treaty of Rome before Thaksin was PM.

I know.... I was responding to post 86 which claimed his government did sign it.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Singling out a single one of all of those who have not yet ratified it is just silly.

It would be......if one particular PM who didn't sign it was not trying to involve it outside of it's jurisdiction.... so it's not

Originally Posted by Bobcock

It would be......if one particular PM who didn't sign it was not trying to involve it outside of it's jurisdiction.... so it's not

I get your point. Still, you've got to admit it's a great comedy show, isn't it? I'm hoping that at least some of these antics are obvious to Thais, as long as they respect any of these thugs and crooks they're doomed.