^ International Laws for military engaged in armed conflict :)
^ International Laws for military engaged in armed conflict :)
a most fitting definition of absurd
"International Laws". By whose definition, international? A standard?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Lick
Hague law and Geneva Law, RS, which also includes Customary Law which is binding on all states and also regulates the conduct of individuals. :)
obvious question is why this so called law fails to ban armed conflicts ? :mid:
I'm well aware that this idiosyncrasy (law) exists and I find it absurd in the extreme
do you really believe that , even for a nanosecond ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Lick
^ Not my words or indeed law Mid, these are laws and treaties which have been agreed upon by international governments. Tomta requested clarification on the issue of RoE and i duly obliged.
In answer to your question concerning armed conflicts then i believe there are instances where AC does not apply. I am on my travels shortly so i will leave that one with you. :)
the whole concept would be hilarious if is wasn't so sad .
and whilst we are at it that marques fella was a fool also . :rolleyes:
Post #190 is truly hideous. Mr Lick very often seems such a reasonable individual, so why the blatant nonsense in this post??? Anyone reading it could have picked up on so many ludicrous comments, I've cut a few 'highlights' out:
Detached from the argument to say the least, but when you have zero defence then such catch all phrases may seem 'smart'; of course, they are anything but... You are attempting to use an oppressive discourse trick, just like the army do; forcing a one-sided language upon the nation as the only frame of discourse is an evil intentioned action; one that has been playing for 70 years now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Lick
This says a lot about your extreme viewpoint. You believe that it is a good idea for army snipers to kill political protestors... 'Clear the area' is a 'nice' way, in this case, of saying 'kill people who have a different political opinion to you'; nice - I'm very tempted to bring out my 'shameful' comment again (seems as you enjoyed it so much last time).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Lick
Even in the most extreme of extreme cases (army strategically positioned upon a BTS track and firing into a Wat that had been agreed as a safe haven for protestors trying to avoid the 'live firing zones', then firing into that safe haven; don't forget the way they sectioned off the area and sent in the cleanup crew afterwards!) you are looking to excuse the mass murderers with phrases like 'mistakingly', 'believing they were at risk', 'tensions were high'; maybe you should ask Murdock for a job... Shameful!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Lick
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Originally Posted by Mr Lick
You heap shame upon your shame here... Ignoring the fact that you are using murderous American propaganda as your tool ('friendly fire; doesn't seem very friendly to me or the dead people killed by it), you are citing the deliberate invasion of a country by an external force and changing into a war zone, as a parallel, an analogy, for political protestors in their own capital city.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Lick
Your 'other conflicts' is an attempt to qualify the Bangkok political rally as an armed struggle between armies; i.e. a war. In which case it's normal for soldiers to kill people; basically, you are shamefully attempting to justify the mass murder of political protestors in Bangkok by their own army. Unbelieveable...
Mr Lick, look over your arguments in the cold light of day; perhaps in the heat of the squabble, you just spat out these remarks, but if you stand by them now, I would ssay there is little hope for a reasonable discussion with you.
I just noticed this:
Within the context laid out in my post above (and in the previos pages) you are now trying to justify (though you'll deny it, the flow is clear; comments do NOT live in isolation - this discourse has been continuous) the Thai army murdering political protestors by citing the Geneva Convention (I don't know of any other Geneva laws...).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Lick
I don't think I've even seem Thaihome or the PAD attempt such absurd spin. Truly a perverted reading of the Geneva convention.
Well said, bettyboo
You're looking in the wrong places. The rules of engagement are set out clearly in a leaked US maunal on training and supporting "friendly governments" who are fighting insurgencies - usually left-wing ones. Thailand has followed this almost page for page (the US manual lays out a step-by-step approach to combating insurgency which eventually leads to armed government intervention to put it down and how to combact the bad press - in fact most of it is psy-op)
The Thai MICT is blocking the Wiki page with the full leaked report. But a good summary with many direct quotes is still there.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20126.htm
Tom Sawyer , could you give me the Wiki address as I like to know what I'm not allowed to read and I like to go to primary sources?
It's in that link near the top of the page - it's the full 219 page report.. (think it was the 2nd one (there were two: one resolves to nowhere the other is blocked by MICT). If you spend enough time looking you'll probably find it elsewhere though - the summary is good - I've seen both..Quote:
Originally Posted by tomta
BS and nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Lick
The important thing here is that somebody murdered 90 odd innocent protesters on the streets of the capital.
At the moment that somebody is getting away with it.
But things are different now to before, and that somebody will face justice.
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At the moment that somebody is getting away with it.
But things are different now to before, and that somebody will face justice.
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What makes you so sure of that?
Is it...different? From now to before? Are you sure? Then, I guess it's easy for to forget the thousands that have been secretly murdered and found disappeared throughout the decades. What people refuse to acknowledge, is that not much has changed. The surface politics are just that, yet the real terror politics have remained the same old homogenous entity from years on....Quote:
Originally Posted by LooseBowels
Yes, at the end of the day one cannot read a political history of Thailand and fail to see that the nascent democracy here is largely a facade. As with several other nations, true power resides with those that control the guns. It's an ongoing struggle, but I think all of the demographic trends suggest that democracy will prevail. There will be another popular 'Thaksin', who will be perceived as a threat, the same old tensions will arise. There is nothing particularly unique about takkie, neither is he anywhere near the first prominent Thai political figure to be exiled or in exile
^ -^^^
Its different this time because the shit hasn't been kept under the carpet like it has in times past.
This time a full running account has been available in all sorts of media that has exposed the amart and military for what they are.
Now the light is shining on them and its they who are on the international community radar and the more questions keep coming, the more they are confirmed as liars and murderers.
Also all the abuses and murders and evidence have been recorded , so its there for when these guys are on the stand.
This time there is hard evidence against them.
^
Still doesn't mean any of them will face justice. Did Pinochet?
tulsathit DSI probe into 89 deaths in April/May: 6 killings were possibly by govt, 12 by red militants. Remaining 71 to be further investigated. 20 minutes ago via TweetDeck
The DSI are a tool of CRES who are a branch of ISOC. It's just more propaganda, even down to the words chosen... though to be fair, it'd be interesting to see who these words were by originally or have they been altered; hard to tell off a tweet.Quote:
Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
I'm sure someone will post the news item later, if it becomes one.....I'll keep an eye out.
I struggle to comprehend the delays involved in this. 71 still to be investigated!!!!! 6 months after the event.
Have to feel for the families of those who died, waiting for some sort of closure....
^ I don't think they expect it, SD. Decades of army murderings, never any admission/results...