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    Stanley Weiss: Is a Buddhist Tahrir Square Taking Shape in Thailand?

    Is a Buddhist Tahrir Square Taking Shape in Thailand?

    Posted: 05/23/11 03:01 PM ET

    BANGKOK -- Before it became the focus of ongoing mortar exchange between Thailand and Cambodia, the ancient Preah Vihear Temple was most infamous for its role in the "Cambodian push-back." In June 1979, Thailand, frustrated at being overrun by Cambodians escaping from Pol Pot's death squads, announced it would expel a large number of refugees. The American, French and Australian governments picked 1,200 refugees from among the thousands for resettlement. The remaining Cambodians were loaded onto buses and sent away.

    Only later did the world learn that they were taken to Preah Vihear -- known as Phra Viharn to Thais -- a 1,000-year-old temple that sits atop a 2,000-foot high cliff overlooking the Cambodian plains. There, men, women and children were pushed down the steep escarpment. The United Nations later estimated that 3,000 Cambodians had been killed and 7,000 were unaccounted for.

    Today, Preah Vihear or Phra Viharn is claimed by both sides along a disputed border. Since artillery fire between Thai and Cambodian forces first flared in February -- the latest round of a century-long dispute over ownership of the temple -- two dozen people have been killed, scores have been injured and nearly 100,000 have been displaced. The Association of Southeast Asian Nations, which fears the conflict may lead to regional instability and threaten ASEAN's goal of economic integration by 2015, has had its offer to moderate the dispute rejected -- sparking fears of a wider war.

    But in Bangkok, a different question is being asked: does the real threat to regional stability in Southeast Asia today come from outside Thailand's border -- or inside it? After three years of increasing political bitterness, Thailand is headed to the polls this summer for its first national election in five years. In the run-up to the July 3rd election, one mayor was shot dead in March and two local politicians were seriously injured. Last week, a Member of Parliament from Thailand's main opposition party, the Puea Thai Party, was shot.

    Little wonder the International Crisis Group warned last month that "as the stakes are high, the forthcoming election could be violent." Many are wondering if this is the year, as Thai scholar Nicholas Farrelly has written, when "the battle for political power is forced out of the shadows and into public consciousness," possibly with a Cairo-like uprising.

    As with most things in Thailand, the answer is less black and white, and more red and yellow. For the past six years, the color-coded politics of this Asian nation have been divided between the "Red Shirts" -- largely supporters of poor, rural and urban working class Thais who make up about 70 percent of the population -- and the "Yellow Shirts," defenders of establishment Thailand, the influential business families, the military and the monarchy.

    The lightning rod at the center is former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, whose populist programs pleased the poor, but when he took on the establishment, the establishment fought back.

    In 2006, street protests by the Yellow Shirts spurred a military coup that ousted Thaksin; in 2008, their occupation of Government House and Bangkok's airports triggered the collapse of two Thaksin-aligned governments. When the London-born and Oxford-educated Abhisit Vejjajiva was appointed prime minister -- after Yellow Shirt-leaning judges banned the Thaksin's "People Power Party" in a controversial court ruling -- the Red Shirts rebelled. Protests spilled onto Bangkok streets last year, as a violent military crackdown on Red Shirt demonstrators killed 91 people and wounded nearly 1,900.

    Fearing more of the same this year, last week, Thailand's powerful military head, General Prayuth Chan-ocha, dispatched nearly 160 hard-line colonels and lieutenant colonels to take over the command in Thailand's northern provinces, which are Red Shirt strongholds. And since Abhisit's ruling Democratic Party reportedly did not give the order to open fire on Cambodia, many believe Thailand's generals are keeping the border dispute in the headlines as a means to portray the military as the saviors of Thailand.

    Some even wonder if the military is preparing to stage another coup -- there have been 18 coups since 1932 -- although as Sulak Sivaraska, a social activist said to me, "The military doesn't want a coup anymore. The last coup was the worst they ever had and they learned."

    Meanwhile, Thaksin, who is banned from politics in Thailand on corruption charges and lives in exile in Dubai, continues to play a central role. He still addresses supporters by video-link and appears on his party's billboards (one slogan reads: "Thaksin thinks, Puea Thai does"). Just this week, the Red Shirts nominated a candidate well-known to Thaksin to lead the party into the election: his younger sister, Yingluck Shinawatra, a businesswoman who has little political experience and is seen as a stand-in for him.

    While Abhisit sees the election as a chance for Thailand to "wipe the slate clean," Thaksin supporters see it as the final chance to right the wrongs of the 2006 coup. A decade after Thaksin won over voters by offering cheap health care and micro-loans to the poor, Abhisit is taking a page from the same book, offering to guarantee crop prices, offer free education and give cash handouts to the elderly poor.

    Will it be enough? Polls show the race to be tight, with no party expected to win an overall majority, meaning a coalition is the most likely outcome. In 2008, the military reportedly twisted the arms of small parties to join with the Abhisit-led Democrats. If Red Shirts defeat Yellow Shirts this time -- as they have in the past four elections -- will they be allowed to rule unchallenged? Or will the army get involved again? As one long-time official here tells me, "The military establishment will not let Thaksin supporters come back to power. They are afraid of scenes like those in Egypt and Libya."

    Come July, the violence and democratic unrest we've seen in the Middle East might make the leap to Southeast Asia. If it happens, Thais might look back fondly on the days when the only fireworks witnessed in this region came in the skies around a 900-year-old temple populated by Buddhist monks wearing traditional orange robes -- incidentally, the color you get when you mix red and yellow.

    Stanley A. Weiss is Founding Chairman of Business Executives for National Security, a nonpartisan organization based in Washington. The views expressed are his own.
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    Thailand must learn the lessons of history | Scoop News

    Thailand must learn the lessons of history

    Tuesday, 24 May 2011, 2:37 pm

    Press Release: Asian Human Rights Commission

    Thailand must learn the lessons of history


    A Statement from Asian Federation Against Involuntary Disappearances (AFAD) on the 19th Anniversary of the Black May Incident

    18 May 2011

    18 May 2011 marks the 19th anniversary of what Thai people remember as "1992 Black May incident," when a popular uprising was met with brutal and violent suppression by the military. Official reports put the death toll at 44 with 38 missing, however in actual, more people were victimized. The victims’ families continue to suffer because of the non-revelation of the truth and the absence of justice.

    Almost two decades have passed since the gruesome massacre. Many questions still remain unanswered. Even the final death toll is still being disputed while the families of those who went missing continue their long and agonizing search for truth and justice.

    Though the traumatic event of 1992 has triggered the demands for change that led Thailand in the road to democracy, this path is always chaotic and sometimes, violent. Human rights have always been sacrificed.

    The Thai government must therefore recognize that the future of its fledgling democracy lies in dealing with its dark past. If it is to move forward towards achieving a long and lasting peace, it must first remember its own history and learn from it.

    The long-delayed project to build a monument on Ratchadamnoen Klang Avenue would have been a good start. The Black May monument, if finally established, will stand as a stark reminder that violence must never again be used to settle political differences because it is doom to fail.

    While lives lost can never be replaced, a simple acknowledgement of wrongdoing, however hurtful, can help mend the deepening wounds of the Thai society so that the process of reconciliation can start.

    Nevertheless, the recognition of past human rights violations is not enough to engender the culture of transparency and accountability. It necessitates sincere commitment of the state to promote and protect the human rights of its citizens. Doing such complementary efforts both for the past and for the present will bring the country to the road to genuine democracy that will guarantee the future of its citizens.

    Thailand, which prides itself for being a party to seven out of the nine core human rights treaties, however fails to make human rights a reality on the ground. The issue of state impunity on the human rights violations committed in the context of the ongoing military operations in southern provinces remains unsettled. Even its promise before the international community that it will prioritize the speedy resolution of the disappearance case of human rights lawyer, Somchai Neelaphaijit turned empty when on 11 March 2011, the Appeals Court acquitted the five police officers charged with the offense of coercion and robbery.

    Today as the Relatives Committee of the May 1992 Heroes commemorates the 19th anniversary of "1992 Black May Incident," the Asian Federation Against Involuntary Disappearances (AFAD) expresses its firm solidarity with them and with all the families of victims of human rights violations in Thailand and around the world as we reiterate our collective call to the Thai government to move beyond human rights rhetoric and fulfill its international human rights obligations..

    The call of for national reconciliation of the Thai government can only be made possible if it will lead by example. It can concretely do so by seriously investigating the past crimes, in identifying those responsible for human rights violations and imposing sanctions on them, providing reparations to victims and families, preventing future violations, and preserving and enhancing genuine and lasting peace.

    There can never be peace and reconciliation without truth and justice.

    Signed by:

    MUGIYANTO

    Chairperson, Asian Federation Against Involuntary Disappearances

    MARY AILEEN D. BACALSO

    Secretary-General, Asian Federation Against Involuntary Disappearances

    About AHRC: The Asian Human Rights Commission is a regional non-governmental organisation that monitors human rights in Asia, documents violations and advocates for justice and institutional reform to ensure the protection and promotion of these rights. The Hong Kong-based group was founded in 1984.

    Visit our new website with more features at www.humanrights.asia.

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    ^ It all sounds so familiar....

    Black May 1992

    April/May 2010

    What's changed....?

    Nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    What's changed....?

    Nothing.
    Actually, I think some things have changed. This for a start-
    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    "The military doesn't want a coup anymore. The last coup was the worst they ever had and they learned."
    The knee jerk response was then to move on the Judicial activism as a means of disenfranchisement. Thanks mainly to the red shirts ("you don't fool Me"), that didn't work either.

    At the root of it all people have changed, society has changed, technology has changed- people are more mobile, and better informed. Less easily fooled. Politically, Thaksin (in many ways a traditional, grubby sinoThai oligarch himself) tapped the future. With repression and censorship, the Military/democrat political cabal has been actively trying to return to a past where peoples opinions could be manipulated, via ignorance. They have outright failed.

    Yes, I think things have changed.

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    Wake-up call for elite: senator

    Wake-up call for elite: senator

    By Pravit Rojanaphruk
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    Published on June 2, 2011

    Siriwat urges people to fight all kinds of coups d'etat

    The Thai elite should not try to get involved in a "zero-sum game" to maintain its power because that will lead to violence and the eventual destruction of the current "pyramid of power", warned Nakhon Si Thammarat Senator Siriwat Kraisin. The warning came after some people voiced fears that the military or "invisible hands" might not accept the result of the July 3 election and might even interfere with the formation of the next government chosen by the voters.

    Siriwat said that in many countries, by the time the elite realised the folly of interfering with the democratic process, it was too late. "I'm saying this out of loving-kindness" for them.

    He added that reforms and the sharing of power were the only way out. Siriwat also chairs the Senate's committee on education.

    "The [Thai] elite are troublemakers and were behind the [political] crisis. They are selfish, even though they talk about religion and morality the most loudly.

    "They are narrow-minded, but they can't hide from the truth. I don't know who their advisers are, but they're approaching a risky point with their zero-sum game," Siriwat said.

    He was speaking yesterday at a forum on democratisation and conflict resolution organised by the Konrad Adenauer Foundation and the Institute of Democratisation Studies. Siriwat urged people to fight against any and all forms of coups d'etat, saying Thailand needed to democratise and keep its society free from interference from any power outside the system, be it the Army or the so-called "invisible hands".

    He also blamed the Thai education system for making people docile and accepting of the existing pyramid of power and believing in the simplistic notion of good versus bad.

    "They're not adhering to the principle of justice, but more to the idea of good people. But who are these 'good people' we are referring to?" he asked.

    Plodprasop Suraswadi, deputy leader of the Pheu Thai Party, who was also present at the forum, said the military needed to be reformed for the country to democratise.

    "There will be problems as long as the military interferes and does not accept elected governments. Soldiers must return to the barracks, and they will become heroes. Otherwise, they will have to fight with the people," he said.

    He also urged Thais to stop relying on senior non-governmental leaders or retired generals to "rescue" them.

    "These people should meditate or run [non-profit] foundations that don't meddle with politics," he advised.

    Meanwhile, the Democrat Party's Niphon Boonyamanee said he believed "soldiers would know what is appropriate and what is not where their role is concerned".

    "If the public sentiment is clear, I don't think they will dare [to stage a coup]. If it were that easy to stage a coup, they would have done it by now.

    "They must learn lessons. The 2006 putsch made it clear that it is impossible [to govern the country] after a coup in this day and age. As the old saying goes, 'You may be able to seize power, but you cannot govern'. Studies were conducted and printed in books about this at the National Defence College.

    "They can't simply act, as there are eyes, domestically and abroad, watching" the upcoming election and the Army, he added.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    Nakhon Si Thammarat Senator Siriwat Kraisin
    Well said that man- right on the button.

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    PM material that gent.

    He just omitted the army amart scum merderers must face justice and pay for their crimes

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

    "The [Thai] elite are troublemakers and were behind the [political] crisis. They are selfish, even though they talk about religion and morality the most loudly.

    "They are narrow-minded, but they can't hide from the truth. I don't know who their advisers are, but they're approaching a risky point with their zero-sum game," Siriwat said.
    Refreshing to know there are some who see the big picture ,

    Kudos Khun Senator Siriwat Kraisin

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    Senator Siriwat Kraisin

    UA 76/91
    Legal Concern: Prisoners of Conscience
    28 February 1991

    THAILAND:Siriwat Kraisin, aged 25

    Amnesty International is concerned that the 15 students and others named above have been detained for the peaceful exercise of their right to freedom of assembly and expression, during a non-violent gathering on 25 February 1991 at which they voiced opposition to and distributed leaflets criticising a military coup d'etat two days earlier. They were arrested by police enforcing Announcement No 7 of the National Peacekeeping Council (NPKC), a group of leading military officers who on 23 February abolished the existing government, parliament and constitution and proclaimed martial law.


    Document - UA 76/91 - Thailand: legal concern: Prisoners of conscience: Siriwat Kraisin, Suwan Bandit, Nattaphol Chunanantham, Preecha Supatham, Narong Kothanakit, Pirapong Sangthong, Suwanna Tapaniyakornkot, Suriyachai Narknim, Revat Sihuan, Chiewch

    ...........................................

    23 June 2008

    Nakorn Si Thammarat senator Siriwat Kraisin, as the senate chief whip, said that he is confident that all Upper Chamber members, who signed up for the debate against the government, are ready to launch the move as planned.

    A group of 61 senators have previously launched a motion for a Senate general debate against the Samak Sundaravej government on national problems.


    Thai-ASEAN News Network

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    4/05/2010

    Senator for Nakhon Si Thammarat Siriwat Kraisin said the political problems were complicated and deeply entrenched.

    The whole political system was in need of major reform, he said.

    Mr Siriwat said the immediate problems plaguing the country followed the toppling of the Thaksin Shinawatra government in the Sept 19, 2006, putsch and the subsequent coup-sponsored constitution drafted in an undemocratic climate.

    A dissolution of the House of Representatives was a democratic mechanism and a feasible solution to the political crisis, he said.

    Mr Siriwat said a dissolution was obviously acceptable to the parties in conflict although the point of contention was when it should take effect.

    Bangkok Post : Cabinet joins Senate debate on solving political impasse


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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    "If the public sentiment is clear, I don't think they will dare [to stage a coup]. If it were that easy to stage a coup, they would have done it by now.
    with corrupt politicians like Thaksin and his family, no need to stage a coup, just nail them using the judicial system

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    The Thai elite should not try to get involved in a "zero-sum game" to maintain its power because that will lead to violence and the eventual destruction of the current "pyramid of power", warned Nakhon Si Thammarat Senator Siriwat Kraisin. The warning came after some people voiced fears that the military or "invisible hands" might not accept the result of the July 3 election and might even interfere with the formation of the next government chosen by the voters. Siriwat said that in many countries, by the time the elite realised the folly of interfering with the democratic process, it was too late. "I'm saying this out of loving-kindness" for them. He added that reforms and the sharing of power were the only way out. Siriwat also chairs the Senate's committee on education. "The [Thai] elite are troublemakers and were behind the [political] crisis. They are selfish, even though they talk about religion and morality the most loudly. "They are narrow-minded, but they can't hide from the truth. I don't know who their advisers are, but they're approaching a risky point with their zero-sum game," Siriwat said.
    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    He also blamed the Thai education system for making people docile and accepting of the existing pyramid of power and believing in the simplistic notion of good versus bad. "They're not adhering to the principle of justice, but more to the idea of good people. But who are these 'good people' we are referring to?" he asked.
    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    ^ Wow!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    Well said that man- right on the button.
    Quote Originally Posted by LooseBowels
    PM material that gent.
    I can only add my full agreement to those posters above; I didn't realise such honesty existed in the senate...

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    ^ Indeed.

    Absolutely outstanding stuff from Senator Siriwat Kraisin.

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    Bangkok Post : Scholars: Democratisation a rocky path
    Scholars remained at odds whether democratisation in Thailand would be less bumpy and violent as they saw 'political illness' of the middle class which benefiting the authoritarian nature of the elite was deep-rooted culturally.

    Chulalongkorn University's associate professor Ake Tangsapwattana said on Thursday that unless there was a true reform of the people’s mindset there would be bleak future for smooth democratisation in this country despite elections.

    Mr Ake was speaking at a seminar this morning organized by the Konrad Adenauer Stiftung and the Institute of Democratization Studies on "Will Thailand Cross Over or Get Stuck in the Post-Elections."

    Discourse of the color-coded politics, he suggested, should be minimised and instead the mass movement should be transformed into a pressure group but not gangster to be used for political sabotage against the opponents.

    "I might have a pessimistic view that the Bangkok/middles class visions and desires remained isolated from the majority of the country who in their view are less educated, less behaved, and less power, but will determine the future of the country because of the election," said the political scientist.

    This, Mr Ake said, was a political illness which derived from a cultural heritage of old regime, "thus certain efforts were trying to de-legitimize the election highlighting the flaws of political parties."

    He noted that democracy was internationally-recognized as the least evil form of political administration and election was the most practical means to fair share of resources to all groups of people.

    IDS president Chaturon Chaisaeng said he did not think there would be turbulence right after the election as people would allow politicians to form the government but the "honey moon" period would not linger long.

    "If the rules of the game will still be unfair, political culture and elite mindset do not change and those non-electoral players still want to pull the string from outside, there will certainly be some problems," said Mr Chaturon, former deputy prime minister in the Thaksin II administration.

    Thammasat University's retired history professor Thanet Abhornsuvarn said he might be more optimistic than others as he believed this election would bring some better future for the country.

    "This election will somehow establish the lacked political legitimacy for the mandated group (s) to run the country. The source of legitimacy will no longer lie in the hands of the traditional elite voice but the voters who will not allow further manipulation of extra-electoral power to dictate the rule of the game," said Mr Thanet.

    Spanning into the history of Thai politics, Mr Thanet noted that despite bloodshed and violence, Thailand has moved forward.

    "But the efforts to make foul of the mass-supported political party by the traditional authoritarian elite is the heritage and the legacy that is not yet vanished," he said.

    He agreed with Mr Ake that culturally the spirit of democracy has not yet been instilled into the commoners when the country changed from absolute monarchy to parliamentary system.

    "The political economy of democratization has gradually been struggling but we could see that in the near future the role of the non-bureaucratic entity will be more vocal," the historian said.

    Mr Thanet saw the emerging voice of the private sector or the so-called capitalist groups against corruption and towards election was a positive sign.

    "After all, it is them who have been living and working with the problematic bureaucrats and politicians. So if they could stop supplying (kickbacks), the receiving ends will eventually or gradually be diminished," Mr Thanet said.

    He concluded that Thai society should learn and review their lessons that the healthiness of democratic systems could not rely on one group or individuals or agencies.

    "The wider bases of political economy, the stronger expansion of the building blocks for the continuation of democracy in Thailand. The White Knight is never real and long-lasting," he said.


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    Thai 'scholars'


    Thai scholars all have dog collars on. They do what their puppetmasters who run their schools want. They don't take their wisdom and go to the front line. It's just silliness to give the word scholar in Thailand any real attention. There are very few who have fought to educate the people with the truth. Thai 'scholars' are nothing more than a sham. They are ruled by liars and they praise them. Until they speak out and fight even if it means them fleeing abroad, you can't take them seriously. They are workin' for the man. Screw them.

    The truth about Thailand is illegal. It's all banned. That's the fact, Jack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    Siriwat urges people to fight all kinds of coups d'etat
    Truely an amazing speech and he hit the nail on the head for sure, but I doubt any of the military or invisible hands will raise an eyebrow.

    It would be great to see real change here and Thailand becoming a true democracy, without wishing to sound negative "no f*cking chance".

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    "no f*cking chance".
    Yep. Standing up has never been legal in Thailand. Life on their knees ain't so bad.

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    Powers outside electoral system 'key'

    Powers outside electoral system 'key'

    By PRAVIT ROJANAPHRUK
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    Published on June 28, 2011

    National reconciliation is not likely to be achieved unless "powers outside the electoral system" make peace with power-holders in the electoral system, Prof Chaiwat Satha-ananda, a political scientist from Thammasat University, said yesterday.

    "What can we do to make the powers outside the electoral system reconcile with the power within the electoral system and make the powers outside the electoral system accept the electoral result?" asked Chaiwat in a symposium on the post-electoral reconciliation process organised by Chulalongkorn University's Faculty of Law and Matichon newspapers.Chaiwat tried to answer his own question by saying boosting the power of the electoral system and political parties would comparatively weaken the powers outside the electoral system, which tend to interfere.

    The political scientist, known for his expertise in peace studies and conflict resolutions, stopped short of listing all the elements that constitute the powers outside the electoral system, however.

    He urged the public to pay close attention to how reconciliation can be achieved, citing spates of violence in the past half decade or so that have "chained" Thai society.

    "Reconciliation is an important component of a democratic system... because it enables the society to revitalise itself," Chaiwat said.

    He admitted, however, that a single unified truth about what happened in April and May 2010 - when a total of 92 people were killed, 2,000 injured, and dozens of buildings burnt down - may never emerge.

    Instead, he called for Thai society to be open-minded enough to embrace what he called a "plurality of truths".

    Kittipong Kitayarak, chairman of the strategies for reconciliation subcommittee of the Truth for Reconciliation Commission (TRC) - whose chairperson, Kanit na Nakorn, was appointed by Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva - said the framework for reconciliation must be broader than merely unearthing what happened last April and May. It must include consideration of the notion of transitional justice.

    "I don''t know if Thai society can discuss every issue but I will try to speak as much as possible," said Kittipong, who's also permanent secretary of the Justice Ministry. He said it was difficult to say when the truth would be revealed and whether the public would accept it or not.

    "But truth alone is not enough, justice and accountability are also needed," he said.

    Kittipong said issues like fair treatment of the red shirts still incarcerated without bail and in shackles, a year after, was an urgent issue that needed to be addressed by the next government. Many should not be considered ordinary criminals.

    Long-term challenges were issues like establishing the rule of law, eradicating corruption and preventing intervention by forces outside the electoral political system.

    Former deputy premier Surakiart Sathirathai, who was foreign minister under Thaksin Shinawatra, sounded more hopeful. Surakiart suggested people close to conflicted parties should ask contacts or friends to forge a dialogue for reconciliation. Forging mutual tolerance between or among disputing parties was also needed.

    Surakiart said he hoped the TRC would remain, even if a different political party heads the next government after the July 3 election.

    He added that the world is watching Thailand closely as to how things transpire after the election.

    Chairman of Thailand's Industrial Congress, Payungsak Chartsuthipol, another panellist, stressed the need for a socio-political environment free of the conflict and violence that has plagued Thai society in recent years. He said the economic competitiveness of Thailand was at stake if the situation did not improve after the election. Establishing trust among various conflicting parties was vital, he said.

    The moderator, Thakor Boonpan, editor of Khao Sod newspaper, conceded earlier that the conflict had now become so "messy… people no longer know what they're fighting about".

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    Middle Class, Inequality, and Democracy | Asian Correspondent

    Middle Class, Inequality, and Democracy

    By Bangkok Pundit Jun 28, 2011 12:00PM UTC

    BP has blogged a few times (here, here, and here) about the middle class of Thailand and their welcoming of the coup/preference for stability over democracy. Then in 2007 on the treason of the intellectuals:
    I have been meaning to post on this topic for a while and started this post months ago. There are a number of intellectuals and activists in Thai society who have been opposed to previous democratic governments (not just Thaksin), but then in the aftermath of the coup were gushing in their love of the coup to overthrow Thaksin. This trahison des clercs, or treason by the intellectuals, is an interesting aspect of the coup. Instead of being concerned about the overthrow of a democratically elected leader, they quickly championed the coup and the military leaders.

    Intellectuals can join a government, but if they do they should no longer pretend they are intellectuals. They simply become government functionaries. They can’t take on both roles at the same time and try to be independent. This is at the essence of trahison des clercsbecause once they ally “themselves too closely with government, states, or political parties [they] betray the independence which is essential if they are to contribute to public discussion”.*

    In the immediate aftermath of the coup, you had academics and students who were demonstrating against anti-coup coup protesters. They wanted the protesters to “not to be opposed to the coup makers…[and] to cancel their plants [sic] to rally against the military rulers.” Yes, you read that right, students and academics supporting the overthrow of a democratically elected government and supporting a military junta. I think it is their lack of respect for the democratic process and the elections which were going to be held at the end of last year which I have the most problems with.

    You have academic seminars organised at the SOAS with the onlyparticipants being those who criticise Thaksin. This was despite Thaksin, the subject of the debate, being in London when the seminar was going on.

    You had the academics appointed to a panel to investigate Thaksin. Yet they still appear to keep their academic status and to comment on political matters being quoted as academics.

    There is also the anti-Thaksin intellectuals traveling the world to criticise Thaksin, paid for by the CNS, the coup leaders, which is part of the CNS propaganda information campaign – they even wrote a plan up before it was leaked
    BP then read this blog post at the WSJ. Key excerpt below:
    Traditional political-economy theory, most associated with the late Samuel Huntington, argued that the “buy in” of a rising middle class was a guarantor of democracy as they demanded increased political freedoms and ensured that democratic political institutions were solidified. However, more recent experience tells a less optimistic story.

    As Joshua Kurlantzick has argued, in several rapidly-growing middle-income developing countries, most notably Thailand, it’s been the middle class which has worked with entrenched autocrats to roll back democratization. The reason in each case is that the populist policies pursued by democratically-elected governments were pitched toward the rural poor and worked against urban middle class interests. In India, we have yet to see organized middle class dissent against the government’s “pro-poor” policies, but could this be in the offing?

    By the same token, economist Michael Walton of Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government has pointed out that many growth miracles have run aground due to conflicts among interest groups and the state as well as institutional weakness which prevents such conflicts from being resolved. That leads to what is known as a “middle income trap.”

    Mr. Walton suggests that Thailand and several Latin American economies have faced this scenario. While India’s democracy is much stronger and more firmly entrenched than that of Thailand or most other developing countries, and we’re still a poor country, a protracted conflict between civil society groups and the government, to say nothing of the Maoist insurgency, surely poses dangers.
    And then this post via Marginal Revolution about a new academic paper which is more US-centric, but appears applicable to Thailand:
    Noam Lupu and Jonas Pontussen (PDF) have a piece on the relationship between inequality and distribution in the new American Political Science Review. There is a lot of debate about whether the level of economic inequality in society leads to greater or lesser distribution – what Lupu and Pontussen suggest is that the structure of inequality (that is – the more particular relationships between different segments in the income distribution, rather than some summary index) is more important. More particularly they argue that if one tries to hold racial and ethnic cleavages constant, the key factor determining redistribution is the income gap between middle income voters and lower income voters. Where this gap is low, middle class people feel some degree of solidarity with the poor and exhibit what Lupu and Pontussen describe as “parochial altruism.” That is, they are more likely to support income redistribution because they feel that the poor are in some sense, ‘like them.’ When the gap is high, middle class people will have a much weaker sense of solidarity with the poor, and hence be less supportive of redistribution. Lupu and Pontussen suggest that the US is an outlier, with weaker solidarity than the structure of US inequality would suggest. They argue that the explanation for this is straightforward – “it is clearly attributable to the high-concentration of racial-ethnic minorities in the bottom of the income distribution.” More bluntly put – middle class Americans feel less solidarity with the very poor because the very poor are more likely to be black.
    BP: Given the large gap in Thailand, can this also apply to Thailand?

    btw, could one substitue racial-ethnic minorities for dark-skinned Northeasterners?
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    ^Dont know what went wrong, but massive time-outs and a double post...not my fault. Weird.
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    Excellent comments in posts #543 and #544.

    Both spot on, imho; and the fact they are being opening discussed is very important.

    Thanks for posting them, SD.

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    Middle Class, Inequality, and Democracy – Part II | Asian Correspondent

    Middle Class, Inequality, and Democracy – Part II

    By Bangkok Pundit Jun 29, 2011 8:00AM UTC

    Erik Kuhonta of the Department of Political Science at McGill University wrote a research note at the end of 2008 that was published in the the Canadian Council for Southeast Asian Studies newsletter (Vol 8, No 2, pp 4-6). The title was “A Research Note on the Middle Class and Democracy in Thailand”. As it is no longer online and as a follow up to yesterday’s post entitled “Middle Class, Inequality, and Democracy”, below is a copy (formatting changes made):

    Is the middle class a harbinger of democracy? This question has been one of the most enduring issues in the study of comparative politics. Much of the literature has leaned towards the view that the middle class serves as a central force for democratic change. Yet, there is also much evidence to suggest that the middle class is not necessarily a bulwark for democracy. This question is particularly important today in Thailand. With the country deeply split over the accomplishments and legacy of the Thaksin Shinawatra government, the middle class has been one of the most important players in the current crisis. A broad coalition of largely middle class supporters, the People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD), has spearheaded public rallies against the Thaksin government that eventually opened the way for the 2006 military coup. The PAD continues to call for the ouster of the current government led by Thaksin’s brother-in-law, Somchai Wongsawat, while advancing a proposal to curtail the electoral influence of the rural sector – the core support base for Thaksin. In this political turmoil, it is important to think theoretically about the role of the middle class in Thai politics and its democratic or anti-democratic leanings. In the context of the PAD’s behavior, we should be very skeptical of general arguments of a democratic middle class, but we should also not be too quick to “throw out the baby with the bathwater.”

    The literature in comparative politics has generally tended to view the middle class as a force for democracy. This goes back to Lipset’s (1959) classic work on economic development and democracy where he argued that the middle class, as the more moderate, tolerant, and educated class would usher in democracy. This view has since then been dominant in academia, in policy circles, and in journalistic work. Yet, important comparative work has also challenged this position. In a ground-breaking study, Rueschemeyer, Stephens, and Stephens (1992) claimed the real issue in identifying which class supports democracy is to understand who has the most to gain or lose by promoting and defending democracy. In their work, they identified the working class as more central to democratization. More recently, Bellin (2000) has argued that the relative support for democracy among class groups is contingent on their political interests. Thus, Bellin conceptualizes the bourgeoisie and labor as “contingent democrats.”

    The literature on Thai politics in contrast, has been quite critical of the role of the middle class as a force for democracy. Writing during the turbulent 1970s, Anderson (1977) argued that the incipient middle class, particularly the petty bourgeoisie that was born of the 1960s economic boom had some democratic inclinations, but its insecure position and its concerns over heightened student radicalism eventually led it to support an authoritarian crackdown. Other authors writing with the backdrop of the 1991 coup and the 1992 upheaval have also claimed that the middle class exhibits ambivalent positions toward democracy. Such authors have collectively pointed out that the middle class tends to be pragmatic, materialistic, and self-interested. It will only support democracy if the alternative (authoritarianism) provides conditions antithetical to their interests. In particular, the middle class cherishes political stability in order to protect its investments (Girling 1996; Voravidh 1993). The middle class is furthermore deeply tied to the capitalist order, such that it often allies with capitalists and its behavior reflects capitalist interests (Preecha 1993; Voravidh 1993). Others posit that the middle class sense of alliance lies with the <redacted> and aristocracy (Ockey 1996). It is clear, then, that the Thai middle class acts like a “contingent democrat,” and that its attitudes and behavior tend to be quite conservative.

    These critiques of the Thai middle class paint a very mixed picture compared to the progressive views of modernization scholarship. How are we to resolve this tension? The central issue that needs to be disentangled in this theoretical discussion is this: what are middle class interests? That question in itself needs to be broken down further, for the middle class is not one coherent entity: what are the interests of the middle classes? Although we are used to thinking about the middle class as one whole, analytically speaking, this class is a residual category, composed of those who are neither in the lower class and those in the upper class. While they may share certain common traits such as a modern lifestyle shaped by material consumption, differences in values and attitudes among small shopkeepers, business executives, and academics is vast. As Koo (2006) notes, it is thus not necessary to unravel contradictions in values within the middle class. What is necessary, however, is to recognize the heterogeneity of the middle class and identify which groups support particular values and maintain particular interests. Girling (1996) has already moved in this direction, arguing that groups in civil society, such as NGOs, tend to represent the progressive values of the middle class, while industrialists, financiers, and traders tend to be more concerned with stability than with justice.

    In the current struggle in Thai politics, it is imperative to sift through much of the conventional thought concerning the different actors engaged in pitched battle. In the first place, we should be wary of categorizing one class group as more democratic than the other. Despite their rhetoric, the PAD’s behavior and agenda is anything but democratic. At the same time, we should not necessarily jump to the conclusion that the middle class as a whole is anti-democratic. Some groups in the middle class, such as white-collar professionals, did support the coup and the more active continue to rally against the current government, accusing it of corruption. On the other hand, some elements of the middle class, such as intellectuals and NGO representatives, while not challenging the coup, did not support it either. The middle class, in all its diversity, complexity, and contradictions thus remains a fertile area for political analysis.

    BP: An interesting read. Hopefully, more research on this area will be forthcoming…

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/29/op...ng29.html?_r=1

    I.H.T. Op-Ed Contributor

    Thailand's Fickle Democracy

    By PHILIP BOWRING

    Published: June 28, 2011

    There is little doubt that Thais like the idea of democracy. They have been fighting for it on and off since 1932, when absolute monarchy was overthrown.

    Most Thais will vote on July 3 for the third time in six years. Campaigning is feverish, posters omnipresent and a raucous — though not entirely free — media offer endless news, comment and speculation. Even those Thais who dislike the results mostly shy away from openly opposing democracy.

    Yet this election is about Thailand’s repeated failure to agree on what constitutes democracy and on how democracy fits with the older institutions — <redacted>, the military and the centralized bureaucracy. Those failures have been seen in the cycle of elections and coups that has repeated itself since the 1973 overthrow of the Thanom Kittikachorn dictatorship.

    But two things are different that make this election especially important and also unlikely to resolve political tensions.

    The first is the personality of Thaksin Shinawatra, the exiled prime minister deposed by a coup in 2006 who is fighting this election through a surrogate party, Pheu Thai, headed by his photogenic youngest sister, Yingluck Shinawatra.

    Thailand has had several democratically elected prime ministers but none aimed for, let alone achieved, populist appeal. They got to the top through deal-making between parties. Thaksin, however, was an authentic populist who identified the potential power of the nation’s poorer classes and used his wealth and organizing ability to exploit it. Whether Thaksin was an authentic democrat is another matter.

    The second is a broad generational change that manifests itself in different ways. Income and wealth gaps are wide and getting wider but there is no shortage of work; Thailand now relies on about three million foreign workers, mostly from Myanmar, to do its dirtiest jobs. Political awareness has increased thanks to education and the ubiquitous media creating a feeling among many Thais, particularly in the lower income groups, that they are not getting a fair share of the cake. Generational change also affects views of the role of the old institutions at a time when thoughts are on <redacted>.

    For Thaksin’s defenders the problem has been the unwillingness of the military and monarchists to accept democracy: Thaksin was overthrown, the Constitution was changed, and many Thaksin supporters believe the judiciary was manipulated to oust two prime ministers. They see the incumbent prime minister, Abhisit Vejjajiva of the Democrat Party, as a front for conservative forces that want a veto over who is prime minister, and, as in Bangkok last spring, is willing to use violence against peaceful demonstrators.

    The anti-Thaksin forces accuse him, with some reason, of abusing his power in office for personal and political gain, and undermining the institutions and checks and balances built into the 1997 constitution — then viewed as a democratic model. Less convincingly, Thaksin’s opponents also accuse him of fomenting <redacted> sentiment and threatening economic stability through populist spending on low-cost health services and aid for farmers.

    So the country has two choices. An Abhisit government that has proven competent but owes its existence to the military and is viewed by many to represent a self-interested elite, a choice that risks a backlash in the streets by backers of Thaksin. Or, a return to the Thaksin camp, a choice that risks a possible crackdown by the military.

    This being Thailand some kind of deal is always possible, even one that allows for the eventual return and pardon of Thaksin. Money speaks loudly in Thai politics, and big business, though tending to be critical of Thaksin, is more concerned with avoiding political mayhem.

    Given the passions that Thaksin arouses and that <redacted> is no longer seen as peacemaker between factions, finding a liberal and democratic way forward will not be easy. Neither Thaksin nor his military and monarchist enemies are at ease with the freedoms, rules and compromises necessary for democratic politics. But most Thais are, which suggests that the election will neither resolve nor worsen the tensions arising from economic success and social change.

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    Bangkok Post : The real meaning of reconciliation

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    STRAIGHT TO THE POINT

    The real meaning of reconciliation
    It has to be accepted that the Thai political scene is severely polarised, much beyond the normal differences of opinion that exist in a democratic system where the rules of the system are accepted by nearly all of the population, at least as a starting point for political change.

    But in Thailand, there is even polarisation over the legitimate rules of the system, and feelings of extreme resentment are still running high on both sides over recent violent events.

    There is a clear danger of future violence on a scale closer to civil war if either side is provoked by extreme measures taken by the other; for example, if a Pheu Thai election victory were to be derailed by a legal judgement or military coup, or if a Pheu Thai government were to swiftly facilitate the return of a defiant Thaksin Shinawatra by means of amnesty and pardon.

    I believe that the majority of the Thai population on both sides of the political divide would support some form of understanding or agreement for coexistence, whereby political struggle could be carried out peacefully and legitimately under democratic rules, without the danger of escalating into violence and civil war.

    It would have to involve compromises by those holding power on both sides, and it would have to begin by defusing tensions on both sides.
    I suggest that such an understanding would need to go along the following lines:

    - The outcome of the coming elections must be accepted by both sides and the democratic formation of a new government must not be sabotaged by force or by any other unconstitutional means, or through mass demonstrations, or by legal manipulation.

    - Both sides should agree to the maintenance and protection of the constitutional monarchy with the monarch as head of state, while agreeing on measures to isolate the monarchy from political conflicts and to allow democratic discussion and criticism of the monarchy in a respectful way.

    - All forms of political censorship of the media need to be discontinued and both the Computer Crimes Law and Article 112 of the Criminal Code revised to allow democratic freedom of expression.

    However, introducing a law against inciting hatred without seriously affecting freedom of expression might be useful.

    - There should be a thorough review of all lese majeste court cases and convictions under the Computer Crimes Law and Article 112, with a view to correcting injustices and disproportionate sentencing, taking into account legitimate rights to political expression in a democratic system.

    - Political amnesty should be granted to all people of all political colours charged for offences relating to mass demonstrations, unless there is clear evidence of their direct involvement in acts of violence endangering the lives of others.

    (I must admit to a conflict of interest in giving this opinion with some personal interest being involved here).

    - There should be agreement to end all forms of extra-judicial killings and torture of detainees.

    The whole justice system should be overhauled to ensure greater impartiality and reduce double standards. Laws against torture and enforced disappearances need to be introduced.

    - Thailand should accede to and ratify the Rome Statute governing the International Criminal Court so as to help prevent future abuses of power, unjustified force against demonstrators, and extra-judicial killings sanctioned by political leaders.

    - If the Pheu Thai Party forms a government, they should agree not to put Thaksin above the law, but to help ensure he receives fair hearings on charges against him.

    - Finally, there needs to be some form of accountability for past injustices and abuses of human rights on all sides.

    "Without truth there can be no reconciliation," as relatives of people killed and injured during the April-May 2010 events recently declared.

    Unfortunately, it is very unlikely anyone can ever be convicted in connection with illegal violence carried out by state officials against mass demonstrators in May 1992 and April-May 2010, or during the war on drugs in 2003 or throughout the insurgency in the southern border provinces (including the 85 deaths at Tak Bai).

    For reconciliation to take place in Thai society, at least the truth of human rights abuses carried out by state officials under government policies and directives should be acknowledged. For this purpose the next government should establish a number of impartial and well-accepted truth commissions to hold hearings on past atrocities and come out with the facts, as well as recommend compensation for the victims and their families.

    In my view political reconciliation in Thai society requires all of these important measures and more.

    In the long run, we need a more democratic constitution as well as economic and social reforms to close the disparities of income and wealth that make Thailand one of the most unequal societies in the world.

    If all of this seems difficult to achieve, please contemplate that the next opportunity for reconciliation may well not arrive again for many years to come, due to a long and violent civil war in which we destroy much of what we still have to value in our society today.


    Jon Ungphakorn is a human rights and social activist, winner of the 2005 Magsaysay Award and a former elected Senator for Bangkok.

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    ^ makes perfect sense. A good article that.

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