Divided Thailand seeks elusive 'normalcy'

**StrontiumDog** · 12-09-2010, 05:26 PM

Yes, it was hundreds. You were obviously there, right?

You're going to dispute an eye witness?

Seemingly you inhabit a strange "other" reality.

**Mid** · 12-09-2010, 05:32 PM

for starters your neighborhood wasn't burnt down

**Panda** · 12-09-2010, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Yeah, I'd noticed how Jatuporn had been suffering...

And the hundreds of people who burned down my neighbourhood, they seem to be strangely absent from the figures quoted for those detained.

Oh yeah and there's a huge fucking difference between committing arson at approx 37 locations, burning malls and peoples livelihoods to the ground and blockading an airport, which hurt no one.

Yea the blocading of the airport, and the government house was harmless. Lets do it again and see how it goes. Oh no, that would be terrorism . One law for the rich and another for the poor.

It is this social and judicial injustice that is at the core of this conflict. Yet some like you are too blind to see it.

**StrontiumDog** · 12-09-2010, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Mid

for starters your neighborhood wasn't burnt down

Yes, it was...as you've no idea exactly where I lived and how close I was (I excluded that information for obvious reasons) then it is fair to say you've absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.

I've since moved.

I lived on Soi 1. At the end, right by the red shirts. I could see them constantly. Hence I made such posts as this...

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Just another point, I've not heard any gunshots for many hours now....but I've heard so many bangs and explosions from the reds. It is all one way traffic at the moment, but going nowhere. They aren't making any ground. There's a lot of them here too!

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Update here.

Went down, had a look around.

A lot of reds here now, crowd has swollen enormously.

Of note, 2 people were shot. One taken on a motorbike, one a young teenage boy, shot in the hand. Shooting is ongoing, as are some heavy distant explosions. Looks as though the reds are gearing up for something, there was so many of them. They seemed agitated.

Saw some red shirts with what looked like molotov cocktails, or some round thing with a fuse, it was a homemade device regardless. They didn't want me to see them. They had quite a few on them.

Anyway, shooting and booms is back on here.

**Mid** · 12-09-2010, 06:12 PM

your neighborhood WAS NOT burnt down .

no neighborhoods were burnt down .

Bangkok stands to lose an estimated 30-40 billion baht in property damages after more than 30 buildings including CentralWorld and Big C in the Ratchadamri area were torched by anti-government protesters who were enraged after their leaders surrendered to police.

http://thailand-business-news.com/ne...l-up-to-b40bn/

Damage to property during last week's riots in Bangkok is estimated at 50 billion to 60 billion baht, says deputy finance minister Pruektichai Damrongrut.

The worst destruction was at CentralWorld, wrecking the ZEN Department Store and the CentralWorld shopping complex, one of the largest malls in Southeast Asia. Other buildings attacked during the riots include the Center One complex at Victory Monument, a Metropolitan Electricity Authority office in Klong Toey, the Siam Theatre at Siam Square, and the Maleenont Tower on Rama IV.

Outside Bangkok, protesters torched government facilities in several provinces and nearly totally destroyed government offices at Ubon Ratchathani.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/...ould-top-b50bn

nope , no mention of neighborhoods burnt down .

**StrontiumDog** · 12-09-2010, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Panda

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Yeah, I'd noticed how Jatuporn had been suffering...

And the hundreds of people who burned down my neighbourhood, they seem to be strangely absent from the figures quoted for those detained.

Oh yeah and there's a huge fucking difference between committing arson at approx 37 locations, burning malls and peoples livelihoods to the ground and blockading an airport, which hurt no one.

Yea the blocading of the airport, and the government house was harmless. Lets do it again and see how it goes. Oh no, that would be terrorism . One law for the rich and another for the poor.

It is this social and judicial injustice that is at the core of this conflict. Yet some like you are too blind to see it.

I'm blind? Your inability to accurately interpret the written word should call into question your vision....

Both were bad, but saying there's any comparison between the two is just ridiculous.

**DrAndy** · 12-09-2010, 06:19 PM

I like these pseudo political threads, full of commonsense and people listening to others viewpoints

**StrontiumDog** · 12-09-2010, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Mid

your neighborhood WAS NOT burnt down .

no neighborhoods were burnt down .

Bangkok stands to lose an estimated 30-40 billion baht in property damages after more than 30 buildings including CentralWorld and Big C in the Ratchadamri area were torched by anti-government protesters who were enraged after their leaders surrendered to police.

Bangkok Building damage estimated $1.25 billion | Thailand Business News

Damage to property during last week's riots in Bangkok is estimated at 50 billion to 60 billion baht, says deputy finance minister Pruektichai Damrongrut.

The worst destruction was at CentralWorld, wrecking the ZEN Department Store and the CentralWorld shopping complex, one of the largest malls in Southeast Asia. Other buildings attacked during the riots include the Center One complex at Victory Monument, a Metropolitan Electricity Authority office in Klong Toey, the Siam Theatre at Siam Square, and the Maleenont Tower on Rama IV.

Outside Bangkok, protesters torched government facilities in several provinces and nearly totally destroyed government offices at Ubon Ratchathani.

Bangkok Post : Riot property damage could top B50bn

nope , no mention of neighborhoods burnt down .

My god, you've reached a new low.

You are seemingly unaware of what the word means. It is not an exact term, it is used as a descriptive term to describe the immediate vicinity, an approximation.

neighbourhood - definition of neighbourhood by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

neighbourhood US, neighborhood [ˈneɪbəˌhʊd]n1. the immediate environment; surroundings; vicinity Related adj vicinal
2. a district where people live
3. the people in a particular area; neighbours
4. neighbourly feeling
5. (Mathematics) Maths the set of all points whose distance from a given point is less than a specified value
6. (modifier) of or for a neighbourhood a neighbourhood community worker
in the neighbourhood of approximately (a given number)

**Mid** · 12-09-2010, 06:22 PM

simply exposing your lack of objectivity

successfully I may add .

**StrontiumDog** · 12-09-2010, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

I like these pseudo political threads, full of commonsense and people listening to others viewpoints

Please feel free to chip in.

I'm trying to keep to facts.

**Mid** · 12-09-2010, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

I'm trying to keep to facts.

then show me someone other than yourself who suggests neighborhoods were burnt down ?

**StrontiumDog** · 12-09-2010, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Mid

simply exposing your lack of objectivity

successfully I may add .

Like I said, you've reached a new low.

Where did you expose my lack of objectivity? 3 malls, many shops, apartment buildings, peoples homes, small businesses, banks and even a Pizza Hut got torched around where I lived. I'd say my neighbourhood got trashed.

As far as I'm concerned, all you've managed to do is to demonstrate your colossal bias. Defending the indefensible.

As I said earlier, for you, the reds can do no wrong. That's biased.

**Mid** · 12-09-2010, 06:33 PM

here is a report from the region ( Philippines ) that describes the burning down of a neighborhood .

Neighbourhood burnt down in Philippines
Herald Globe
Monday 26th April, 2010

Thousands of people have been left homeless in the Philippines after more than 600 houses were destroyed.

A huge fire swept through a slum area in a suburb of the Philippine capital on Sunday after fire broke out amongst the makeshift shacks in the afternoon.

The inferno raged through the night, with city authorities sending in civil defence officials to keep order.

Fire trucks clogged the scene as smoke and flames destroyed an entire slum area which has yet to be searched.

It is not known whether there were any fatalities.

story.heraldglobe.com

nothing similar was reported during the Bangkok riots because NO NEIGHBORHOODS were burnt down .

**Mid** · 12-09-2010, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

I'd say my neighbourhood got trashed.

but not BURNT down .

**Tom Sawyer** · 12-09-2010, 06:49 PM

Here's what a real neighbourhood fire looks like - SD.

This is 2006 - Klong Toey Slum Fire that left hundreds homeless. You reckon they ever saw any justice?

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Massive slum fire leaves hundreds homeless

Hundreds of slum dwellers have to brace chilling weather and settled in tents after a massive fire destroyed over 100 shanty houses at a big Bangkok squatter community Thursday night.

The fire broke out at about 6:30 pm and quickly spread to engulf some 100 houses on two-rai area of the slum community opposite Queen Sirikit Convention Hall on Rama IV Road.

Some 30 fire engines could only prevent the blaze from further spreading and waited three hours for the fire to consume itself.

The blaze also spread to a building of Metropolitan Electricity Office near the community and destroyed some 20 official vehicles there.

Police have to close traffic at Asoke Intersection and Ratchada-Rama IV road. Community radios suggested commuters to stay away from the roads near the blaze site.

The fire fighters faced shortage of water, so they had to ask for helps from nearby districts. Strong wind had obstructed the attempts to put the fire.

Dwellers of the community ran out for their life and grabbed with them what they could.

So far, there was no casualty report.

Deputy Bangkok Governor Wallop Suwandee rushed to the scene. He said over 100 houses on two-rai area were destroyed but the Klong Toey district officials had yet to survey the number of affected people.

The district officials put up tents for the homeless people to live and handed out foods and drinks to them.

Initially, police said the fire started from a furniture shop inside the community but Wallop said he leant that the blaze began at a temporary shelter of construction workers at mouth of the soi.

Tueng Boondaeng, 39, recounted that he notice the blaze at the back of the community so he alerted his wife. He said he could take out his motorcycle while his wife carried with her a TV set. The couple lost other belongings in the blaze.

Samphan Chaobuayai, 53, said he could only grabbed his household registration and a record book of his room renting business while fleeing.

Nuanchan Penmadee, 48, said she was frightened and ran for her life without taking anything with her. All of her belongings were gone in the fire.
The Nation

**StrontiumDog** · 12-09-2010, 06:51 PM

Oh dear.

What a surprise, another one pops up.

Obviously all the buildings I listed in my immediate vicinity aren't a neighbourhood, according to your definition of the word. It appears that your definition doesn't fit the dictionaries definition of the word though. Sad for you....

**Mid** · 12-09-2010, 06:56 PM

simply put SD , your exaggeration of your neighborhood burning down exposes your lack of objectivity .

**Bettyboo** · 12-09-2010, 06:56 PM

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**Tom Sawyer** · 12-09-2010, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Oh dear.

What a surprise, another one pops up.

Oh yes, we're 'mobbing' you.

If they burned down your neighbourhood - even part of it - there would be people homeless - that's the point of showing you the Klong Toey Slum fire.

So tell me again, how many were left homeless from fires set by the Reds in the vicinity of the Century Park Hotel during the (one sided) fight between the Reds and the Army?

**StrontiumDog** · 12-09-2010, 07:25 PM

What's most amusing for me is watching you red shirt guys get your collective knickers in a twist over my use of the word neighbourhood, objecting to it, as if it is a terrible thing to say.

All the while failing to criticise the burning of approx 37 locations around Bangkok....causing huge damage and destroying the livelihoods of thousands. But, go ahead, criticise my use of the word neighbourhood...it seems to be the REALLY important thing to do.

However, you may have missed the point along the way....

**StrontiumDog** · 12-09-2010, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Oh dear.

What a surprise, another one pops up.

Oh yes, we're 'mobbing' you.

If they burned down your neighbourhood - even part of it - there would be people homeless - that's the point of showing you the Klong Toey Slum fire.

So tell me again, how many were left homeless from fires set by the Reds in the vicinity of the Century Park Hotel during the (one sided) fight between the Reds and the Army?

I've no idea, neither do you....but several apartments were burned. Those above shops and other such buildings. I wrote about this before....strange how you forget.

**Tom Sawyer** · 12-09-2010, 08:39 PM

What I rememeber most was your cry for help for someone to come and save you because you thought the red shirts were going to burn down your building which apparently they didn't. Then more hysteria as you went out for a smoke on your balcony and a sniper took a shot at you - you think (whom most believe was in the vacant building under construction - think you agree with that point - and was most likely a pro-government/army/militia - and was why the reds then set fire to the lower floor of that building to smoke him out)

**Butterfly** · 12-09-2010, 08:50 PM

StrontiumDog, why are you even trying ? you are arguing with a brain dead American who think he is a news bot (or should that be the other way around) and can't put an original thought together without doing a copy/paste and then you have TS, a Red blogger who think he is "Che Guevara"

I mean you couldn't make that shit up,

all we need now is a former IRA activist to chime in, and the picture will be complete

**Tom Sawyer** · 12-09-2010, 09:12 PM

Where is Dr B0b these days anyway?

**Butterfly** · 12-09-2010, 09:37 PM

^ self contemplating in his blog, probably the best thing since the Bible was written

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